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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.94
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    Remember this the next time Cena takes time off to make a movie.


Yes, and he will be doing just that in a few months.

To quote The Rock, Cena should know his role and shut his mouth. You can't pull the "do as I say, not as I do" card out, John. Rocky is happy doing what he is doing. He isn't under contract with WWE, so he doesn't have to do anything for them anymore. DirtyMikeSeaver had it right. Rocky will always be asked about wrestling because that is still what he is did, and he did it very well.

Personally, I would love to see The Rock back in the ring. He was one of the greatest performers of the Attitude Era, if not of all time. Instead, I will settle for chanting his name to myself in the movie theatre.



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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.20
    Originally posted by mountinman44
      Originally posted by Matt Tracker
      Remember this the next time Cena takes time off to make a movie.


    Yes, and he will be doing just that in a few months.


To be fair to Cena, the movies he's made/making are WWE Films so they'll be benefiting from them directly, and he'll be coming straight back when filming finishes.

His argument against the Rock can be summised as:

Make films, say nothing, don't wrestle = OK
Make films, talk up WWE, wrestle when not acting = great!
Make films, talk up WWE, don't wrestle = BAD

His argument is thus dumb (Rock's gonna be asked about wrestling, so it's better he waxes lyrical than stonewalls or says he's put it behind him) but at least he's not being dumb AND hypocritical.

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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.85
"Our fan base has so much admiration for him...he doesn't give anything back."

I wonder how much of this stems from the Raw anniversary show? I don't blame Rock for not being there, and I am pretty sure it was documented that he had other commitments, but him showing up live for the first time in more than three years would have put an incredible cap on that show. I would have loved to see him for nostalgias sake.

But other than nostalgia, what should he be giving back? Should he be like Foley, wrestling far past his prime, jobbing his way to smaller and smaller pops, and seemingly unable to retire? Or be like Austin, and make special appearances to pop the crowd, drink beer and stun a young star who will never be able to get revenge on him?

I am sure Rock could show up and cut a promo every so often between movies. He could run down whoever WWE told him to, make them look like a fool, get a huge reaction from the crowd and catch the next jet back to Hollywood. Who does that help? Or he could come back and wrestle the occasional match, pop a buyrate and put someone over huge. But that only works so many times (see Foley) before he is just a loser. And if he were to win, it would help even less since they will never be able to build an extended program around him again.

Really, Rock showing up, at least for me, would be nothing more than a reminder of how great this stuff used to be. His promo skills far surpass anyone on the current roster. His in ring storytelling and ability to keep fans interested in a match can not be matched. He is bigger than the business of wrestling and just because he is the first person to successfully retire from said business shouldn't reflect negatively on him.

The Rock wrestled on 47 consecutive wwf pay per views, starting in late 1997 and culminating with wrestlemania x-7. To many, X-7 was the peak of WWE. It will be hard to ever top that show, and it's incredible main event. Rock didn't wrestle at the following Backlash because he was filming the scorpion king. His appearances since then have been more and more sporadic as time has gone by, to the point where he has now not been seen on live tv for more than three years. I am sure he still loves the business, he never could have achieved the greatness he did without that love. But there is nothing left for him in wrestling. He gave years of entertainment to his fans, and walked away at or near his prime. That is rare for any sport. He walked away with his health. That is even rarer for a wrestler. He is the greatest mainstream success story wrestling has ever had. Someone tell John Cena to know his role.



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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.30
    Originally posted by mskj
    Really, Rock showing up, at least for me, would be nothing more than a reminder of how great this stuff used to be. His promo skills far surpass anyone on the current roster. His in ring storytelling and ability to keep fans interested in a match can not be matched. He is bigger than the business of wrestling and just because he is the first person to successfully retire from said business shouldn't reflect negatively on him.


It does go both ways.

The WWE can proudly claim to have forged this star in their own weekly blast furnace of live shows and TV cameras before he graduated to mainstream movie success.

But his random returns will also show that such a success is the clear anomaly for a company that tries to repeat it with Triple H, Cena, Kane, and Austin. There may well be the notion In Vince's brain that an equation can be followed to make a new Rock (who will then leave the WWE, if we follow the template), but the company also has to wonder who of the current midcard guys could be that next guy.




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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.60
    Originally posted by mskj
    He gave years of entertainment to his fans, and walked away at or near his prime. That is rare for any sport. He walked away with his health. That is even rarer for a wrestler. He is the greatest mainstream success story wrestling has ever had. Someone tell John Cena to know his role.


Quoted For Truth.

Yes, Vince gave the Rock all the opportunites needed to succeed, but Dwayne Johnson is the one who made it work. He worked his ass off for 5 years. Rocky got famous, WWE got money, the fans got memories. The Rock owes nothin' to nobody.

(edited by BendyStraws on 28.2.08 1326)
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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.86
Rock needs to look into Vince's eyes, as a man, and say "Thank you, Vince." That's all Vince ever wanted.
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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.52
    Originally posted by mskj
    He is bigger than the business of wrestling

Not at all.

Total revenues 2007, WWE: $485.7 million
The Game Plan, worldwide gross (2007): approx. $90 Million

I'm not for Rock bashing, but he is by no means bigger than the wrestling business. People really need to stop saying that just because his acting career panned out better than Hogan's and Goldberg's.

Edit: Before anyone corrects me, I subtracted the Game Plan's production budget from its total gross.

(edited by Hogan's My Dad on 28.2.08 2019)


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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.85
    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
    I subtracted the Game Plan's production budget from its total gross.


Did you do the same for the WWE? The reason I ask is because in the Mayweather thread TheBucsFan says that the WWE nets about $50 million a year.


(edited by Jackson on 29.2.08 0012)


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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.52
No, I didn't.

Revenues, as I understand it, means total income before deductions. So even if we adjust that Game Plan figure, adding twenty-two mill on for production and adding however much it made on video sales, it still has grossed less overall than wrestling did. I have no idea if WWE loses that much on taxes and overhead costs, but the point is that's where they're taking in and it's more than Rock's movies. If someone wants to say Rock is bigger than any particular individual star in wrestling, fine. But I just don't buy that he's bigger than the entire industry.

(edited by Hogan's My Dad on 28.2.08 2123)


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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.32
    Originally posted by Mr Shh
    Rock needs to look into Vince's eyes, as a man, and say "Thank you, Vince." That's all Vince ever wanted.



The same can be said for Hogan, Bret,and any one else that doesn't give back to the WWE.

I say Hogan because he doesn't give anything back as I see but he is glad to take a pay check from Vince.
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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.85
Does any TV star that goes on to do movies owe his former show anything and if so what exactly?




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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.66
    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
    No, I didn't.

    Revenues, as I understand it, means total income before deductions. So even if we adjust that Game Plan figure, adding twenty-two mill on for production and adding however much it made on video sales, it still has grossed less overall than wrestling did. I have no idea if WWE loses that much on taxes and overhead costs, but the point is that's where they're taking in and it's more than Rock's movies. If someone wants to say Rock is bigger than any particular individual star in wrestling, fine. But I just don't buy that he's bigger than the entire industry.


    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
    but the point is that's where they're taking in and it's more than Rock's movies.


It's easy to win an argument when you set the rules.

If it takes the WWE 435M to make 485M, that has to account for something in that argument. Besides, all it boils down to is the WWE is always begging the Rock to come back (hence this blatant attempt by Cena to goad the Rock back for one more dream match), the Rock has never begged to come back to wrestling. This during the Rock's career still continuing to rise while the WWE's business is stagnating both monetarily and creatively.
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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.11
Funny.
Not too long ago, many people were just always hoping, wanting, waiting for the Rock to return.
Maybe not the people that wrote in this thread, but there are MANY wrestling fans that would love to see the Rock do -anything- again in a ring. That's why those taped segments for the Trump feud for last year were so cool.
That's why they first had him behind a newspaper so it was totally OMG! Mark out! The Rock!

So if you look at it extremely black & white than yeah, I see the point that Rock walked out and away from wrestling without ever looking back and doing something for the millions and millions that are still his fan (and as a result watch the average-to-crap movies he plays in)
Cena just was the voice of the masses that do want the Rock back..and of corporate WWE of course.

Of course, from Rock's pov there is no need to step in that ring, because cutting a promo and then mentioning the Game plan or wahtever movie he has coming out won't generate more buzz.
Appearing at the Oscars however, does help his career.




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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.32
    Originally posted by Mr Shh
    Rock needs to look into Vince's eyes, as a man, and say "Thank you, Vince." That's all Vince ever wanted.


I'm sure he learned his lesson the last time.

EDIT: AW MAN I OBLIVIOUSLY MISSED YOUR JOKE WHICH I BELIEVED TO BE MINE

I SUCK

THE MOST

WTF

(edited by JustinShapiro on 29.2.08 0921)
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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.18
    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
    No, I didn't.

    Revenues, as I understand it, means total income before deductions. So even if we adjust that Game Plan figure, adding twenty-two mill on for production and adding however much it made on video sales, it still has grossed less overall than wrestling did. I have no idea if WWE loses that much on taxes and overhead costs, but the point is that's where they're taking in and it's more than Rock's movies.


While I agree with your sentiment, gross revenue means diddly I'm afraid.

Waterworld for example grossed $88million in the US, but cost a heckuva a lot more to make and is widely considered a flop. Certainly nobody would make a case for it being big or successful.

To use an old cliche, I could set up shop tomorrow flogging 20 notes for 10 and my turnover would be HUGE, but I obviously wouldn't be a poster boy for success.

Like I say, I agree with the sentiment though, for ultimately I don't think the presence or otherwise of the Rock would, by itself, be sufficient to greatly impact the WWE's fortunes in the long run.

    Originally posted by dMp
    Not too long ago, many people were just always hoping, wanting, waiting for the Rock to return.
    Maybe not the people that wrote in this thread.


Don't think people are suggesting they wouldn't like him back (I thought he was pretty darn awesome), just that he ain't doing anything wrong by not coming back.

I'd like to see him make better movies mind, but that's just me.
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