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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.73
Well, we've been enduring the Layfield push, and oddly enough, the show has been improving with him holding the title. Chances are, WWE management will not take the belt off of him in the next few months.

However, former Eddie Guerrero is going to be tied up with Kurt Angle in the near future, so that leaves our heel champion with no clear-cut challenger. John Cena was stripped of the US Title, which is a great way of getting the belt off of a guy without diminishing his heat. This suggests that he is being primed for a step up. His issues with Booker, Dupree, and Suzuki are, for all intents and purposes, dealt with, and they may feud over the US Title with the Charlie Haases and RVDs. Cena, however, is extremely popular, and could potentially be given a title shot in the well-protected domain of a dual-brand PPV.

And what of the other options, including The Undertaker? Would we rather see the Pale Rider compete for the WWE Title, knowing that "Mr. Special Attraction" would be a division-killer? Or do we want JBL to get the strong win that WWE was so reluctant to give to Booker T?

So many questions, so I leave it to you guys for the answers. Proceed...
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1. "The Pale Rider" is Mordecai, last I checked.

2. Taker's challenging, and probably beating, JBL at SummerSlam. Cena will be in the US Title picture until at least Unforgiven.



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Nay for 2 things:

1. JBL would be wrestling...

2. Cena is too green and in need of a gimmick change...

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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.00
    Originally posted by gugs
    1. "The Pale Rider" is Mordecai, last I checked.


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My 2 cents:

It could easily happen, but I won't make a prediction. I think they're letting Cena sell seats in the arenas, while they let some others on the roster get an opportunity running with the belt. They already know Cena's the #1 most over guy on Smackdown. It's weird how fast he replaced Eddie.

Taker probably won't hold the gold this summer because he doesn't appear on house shows much (if at all).

When I look into my foggy crystal ball, I see JBL holding onto the belt until at least the November elections. Just because he's playing a Reaganesque type character, and if not for the election this year, I doubt he'd be wearing any gold right now.

Cena/JBL is not ready to happen in my eyes. Maybe come November, they'll face off. Cena will probably be fighting for the gold when Wrestlemania rolls around. Two years later than his WM18 prediction.



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I know it's been awhile since JBL won the title, but everytime I see him with the strap, its' still the most surreal, bizzre thing to comprehend. Anyways, I think he needs a solid win, and if he can defeat Taker and further give credibility to his reign, I can see him holding until Cena eventually takes it. Cena is the future I guess, and I just wonder, (if kept on separate rosters) if people will talk about Orton vs Cena as a dream match a couple years from now. Cena needs to get that edge back in a hurry. He lost it around Dec. 03 and hasn't been close to regaining it since. But either way, the mainstream chumps love the guy, and he's one of the most over guys they have. I think regaining that edge he once had is the thing will really take him to the next level.
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Smackdown is such an unstable brand that it's tough to forecast anything, especially all the way to Wrestlemania. If someone had said that Bradshaw would be the Smackdown champ back in March, you would've laughed in their face.

It would seem that Cena is the obvious choice to get the long-term push for the world title (he and Orton are sort of in the same booking position as the Rock was in the summer of 1998), but since Wrestlemania is in Los Angeles, it would also make sense for Eddie Guerrero to be put in a high-profile match on the card. A Guerrero/Cena would be as big a matchup as Smackdown could get, but WWE might not want a face/face split in a world title match --- and also, since LA is definitely Eddie country, his loss might turn the crowd and get super-face Cena's reign off to an uncomfortable start. Cena/Angle would make it three straight years of Angle losing a world title match at WM, Cena/Big Show has been done and Cena/Undertaker probably shouldn't happen just because Wrestlemania should be the ONE time of year that UT should never have to put anyone over.

Good God, wait a second, am I really suggesting that Bradshaw keep the title until Wrestlemania?! Screw that! Bring on the face/face match! Bring on Angle losing again! Bring on the end of the UT's streak! Anything but Bradshaw in a friggin' Wrestlemania world title match!



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Bradshaw vs. Cena? Do we really want Bradshaw to have the responsibility of carrying a match?



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You know it's eventually gonna happen ... I just hope it's on an episode of Smackdown as a main event, not something they want to make us pay to watch.






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Rumors are they see JBL as a long-term champ (ouch!), and that we're getting JBL/Taker at Summer Slam.

As for Cena, rumors are he'll come up w/ his own US Title, and then have a "unification" match with whoever wins the "real" US Title (probably Booker).


Personally, I don't think Cena's quite ready for the ME, much less as champ. Cena's great at selling and getting beat up, but he's pretty bland & formulaic on offense. That wouldn't be so bad if he was in there w/ a great worker like Eddie, but not with Bradshaw. Plus, I'd like to see Cena get back some of that edge he had as a heel. All the dick & crap jokes just have me rolling my eyes. I don't think that stuff will fly in the ME.



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As far as a matchup, it's not awful or anything. And I'll agree that the lead-up and interviews would be quite entertaining. But it won't improve the overall perception of the SmackDown roster, and that's the problem.

Here's what I think they should do: Turn Cena heel (again) already. Think of The Rock in (I think)1998 for proof. He was face for a short time, and the fans were loving it, but a quick heel turn cemented that the next time he became a face again, he would be extremely over. And that experiment worked, to say the least.

Cena is much more effective as an edgy, controversial heel. As a face, he's okay but nothing spectacular. All the cheap poop jokes in the world aren't going to change that.

So after SummerSlam is done and McMahon has exhausted whatever hardon he had for Undertaker-JBL, they should get the belt back the hell around Eddie Guerrero's waist. Here you had a guy who the fans loved, could wrestle just about anyone and made it all look convincing.

At the same time, you start turning Cena heel again. Do a slow build-up (as slow as possible, given there's a PPV now seemingly every six days), and push Cena-Guerrero as THE feud that the roster should revolve around.

Yes, they feuded briefly before, and guess what? It was fantastic! Their 'parking lot streetfight' stole the show, and now that these two are even more popular, it would be the perfect choice to headline an otherwise missable SmackDown-only PPV.



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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.26
I'd take that feud only for the US Title. I know that all the spoilers seem to indicate otherwise, but I can still hope for not having to see World Champion Bradshaw wrestling. Let Cena feud among the Bookers, Duprees, Haases, and RVD's, let Bradshaw drop the belt to anyone (yes, even UT) and then feud with US CHamp Cena. Cena goes over clean and wins a rematch to boot, then proclaims that he has done all that can be done with the US Title, forfeits it, and challanges the world champ.



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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.65
Sorry, IWC, but Cena is the franchise. He has my vote for most improved wrestler of the year. Cena can at least hit is finisher 90% of the time, Orton can't. Cena doesn't need anyone to care him, he just needs someone who wouldn't fuck up, so Bradshaw is out of the question. Cena has been edgey, but since the whole crackdown on TV, Vince doesn't want him going too far. He is doing fine, his only problem is the US title four way is getting stale. Honestly, I hope he doesn't get it back, because he should get the world title. Unfortuantly, I don't see many foes for him.

JBL shouldn't be a long term, because he can't carry anyone to any matches unless its a squash. Kurt probably won't be healthy, Eddie in Cali being a heel won't work and Taker will not let anyone beat his streak plus he is way over at Wrestlemania. Cena needs a fresh heel, I just trading HHH over for Taker, but I don't see that happening. Smackdown is just stuck where it is. Its champ is a joke, GM Kurt has been a bomb and there is no chemistry minus the cruiserweight division. I've read the spoilers and watched some of the shows, its not getting better, its just getting worse.
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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05

    Sorry, IWC, but Cena is the franchise.

I don't think anyone is disputing that, it's just that we don't think he's quite ready to take over as the main guy on the show.


    I've read the spoilers and watched some of the shows, its not getting better, its just getting worse.

The last 2 shows were 2 of the best shows since the re-draft. The seem to be letting the cruisers get time to shine, they've given a new team a run as champs, and they've scaled back on the extreme gimmicks (turfed Mordecai, scaled way back on Suzuki). Of course, they're going to be pushing Heidenreich instead of Haas, but hopefully they'll come to their senses on that.


    Cena goes over clean and wins a rematch to boot, then proclaims that he has done all that can be done with the US Title, forfeits it, and challanges the world champ.

No forfeiting the belt. That only sends the message that the belt is worhtless, and does nothing for the next guy to hold it.

(edited by Spaceman Spiff on 19.7.04 1039)


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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.64
"Sorry, IWC, but Cena is the franchise. He has my vote for most improved wrestler of the year. Cena can at least hit is finisher 90% of the time, Orton can't."

One time. ONE TIME. And that was JERICHO'S fault for not going with the move. "Eddie Guerrero is a psycho who can't control himself when fans insult him". THAT sentence has the same amount of validity as yours has. Think about that.



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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.95
If we are to agree that Cena isn't ready, then I say RVD steps up to challenge JBL. You'd have the rich, conservative brawler vs. the counter-culture flyer.

Checking the official roster on wwe.com, there really is a dearth of established faces that could move into a short title chase. There's Taker and Eddy and Cena and RVD and then the choices get screwy: Rey, Billy Gunn, Rico, Hardcore Holly and that's it. Everyone else isn't a big enough presence to warrant a world title angle.

Now, I'm not for Gunn or Holly moving up there. But unless they drastically elevate a mid-carder, SD has limited options.

I'd rather see SD bring in Shelton Benjamin for a short feud. He could add some energy to a title chase and he could give the rub to Haas through association, allowing him to move up the ladder while Shelton goes back to RAW.



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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.21
    Originally posted by chill
    My 2 cents:

    It could easily happen, but I won't make a prediction. I think they're letting Cena sell seats in the arenas, while they let some others on the roster get an opportunity running with the belt. They already know Cena's the #1 most over guy on Smackdown. It's weird how fast he replaced Eddie.

    Taker probably won't hold the gold this summer because he doesn't appear on house shows much (if at all).

    When I look into my foggy crystal ball, I see JBL holding onto the belt until at least the November elections. Just because he's playing a Reaganesque type character, and if not for the election this year, I doubt he'd be wearing any gold right now.

    Cena/JBL is not ready to happen in my eyes. Maybe come November, they'll face off. Cena will probably be fighting for the gold when Wrestlemania rolls around. Two years later than his WM18 prediction.



i'm sorry...am I wrong of did Cena make the prediction at Wrestlemania 19(in Seattle) that he would headline WM 20(MSG). Making that he was one year off on his prediction? I believe Cena debuted on WWE tv in the summer of 2002-after WM 18.
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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.06

My guess is after Summerslam, they continue Bradshaw and Undertaker for another few PPVs. I'll bet after that, they don't know what's next.

They've shown a willingness to continue title feuds for months and months over the last couple of years (HHH/HBK/Benoit, Angle/Brock, Eddie/JBL), even when the matches are less than stellar (HHH/Steiner).

Plus, this is Undertaker's time of year...

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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.38
My bad, it was indeed WMX9 that Cena said he'd headline WMXX. I keep thinking that WMXX is next year, but I meant the one in Seattle. Thanks for clearing it up.



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