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Oops, here's a knee-jerk reaction if I've ever seen one.

ESPN - Eric Mangini out as head coach of New York Jets


    FLORHAM PARK, N.J. -- The New York Jets fired coach Eric Mangini on Monday, a day after a team that harbored Super Bowl hopes with five games left failed to make the playoffs.

    The Jets started the season 8-3 under quarterback Brett Favre, beating New England and Tennessee on the road in consecutive weeks and raising visions among fans of the team's first Super Bowl trip since 1969.

    But they went 1-4 in their final five games, losing to Denver, San Francisco, Seattle and Miami and barely beating Buffalo. They did not reach the postseason for the second straight year despite an offseason spending spree that included a trade for Favre after his retirement and return at Green Bay.

    The 39-year-old Favre had just two touchdown passes and nine interceptions in those final five games. He led the league in interceptions with 22 and complained after Sunday's 24-17 loss to Miami of pain in his right shoulder and neck.


Yeah, because it's totally Mangini's fault that Favre imploded at the end of the season. Never mind that Mangini didn't even have a losing season this year. Clearly, he was the problem.

I'm sure the Browns will LOVE this news.




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I hope he enjoys coaching in Conference USA
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The Belichick coaching tree really hasn't set the world on fire. Charlie Weis is the successful one.
Since it is unlikely that 'Mangenius' gets a head coaching job this off-season, does any head coach hire a known snitch to work as an assistant?
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    Originally posted by It's False
    Yeah, because it's totally Mangini's fault that Favre imploded at the end of the season. Never mind that Mangini didn't even have a losing season this year. Clearly, he was the problem.



Well, it isn't *totally* Mangini's fault, but you're out to lunch if you think he's was unfairly turfed out of NY. By your logic, then Wade Phillips doesn't deserve the criticism for having arguably the most talented team in the NFL tank it when it counts. They had a winning record, so they did their job, right? WRONG! Winning records don't mean jack if you can't get it done in the clutch; I know- remember, I'm a Met fan.

He alienated the media and fans with his lack of passion and refusal to accept the blame for his team losing. He also alienated the team with his preferential treatment of Favre, basically letting him have free reign for no good reason. Even the most fanatical fans of Favre can't be happy with him having a league leading 22 INTs this year; if there was a coach with balls,he could had limited Favre's bad passes a bit so that those numbers would had been curtailed and the offense would had been more efficent. He's a terrible playcaller (it seems at least once every game for the past month that I heard him call for a long pass on 3rd and 2 or 1 when he has the AFC leading rusher RIGHT THERE on his sideline.) who is way too conserative at key moments. In the end, yes he had a winning record this year (not overall; he's 23-25). But with a team that had $160 million invested in the offseason with players and 7 "Pro Bowlers" (I say they should had have only 4 or 5), it's not enough to have an over .500 record.

They should had won a spot in the playoffs, maybe even the division this year especially with the absense of Brady and other key players in NE. Mangini and the Jets HAD to take advantage of this situation this year because with Favre around for possibly only this year and the weakened Pats, they were not going to get as good a chance to take over the division any time soon. But they failed miserably, so Mangini has to go.

Maybe I'm getting too worked up over this. I'm not even a Jet fan, I root for the G-men. Guess this if what happens you have the Favre media machine playing here in the metro area non-stop for the past couple of days.

(edited by supersalvadoran on 30.12.08 1847)


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    Originally posted by supersalvadoran
    if there was a coach with balls,he could had limited Favre's bad passes a bit so that those numbers would had been curtailed and the offense would had been more efficent.


Mangini might not have had balls, but he DID have soft, supple breasts.
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You wanted the best, you got... Out of Context Quote of the Week.

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    Originally posted by SEADAWG
      Originally posted by supersalvadoran
      if there was a coach with balls,he could had limited Favre's bad passes a bit so that those numbers would had been curtailed and the offense would had been more efficent.


    Mangini might not have had balls, but he DID have soft, supple breasts.


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Lost in all of this is the fact that Mangenius is/was supposedly a defensive wizard. For all of his sorcery, I watched 8 men consistently fail at tackling Marshawn Lynch. Lynch is good, I believe he should have made the Pro-Bowl, but they made him look like a superstar. Throughout the season I have watched ineffective, and sometimes completely terrible, tackling from the defense. Not to be a Favre apologist (22 picks is about 10 too many considering the source), but if a guy like Favre is consistently watching his defense play like trash, he tends to take more risks.



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    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    The Belichick coaching tree really hasn't set the world on fire. Charlie Weis is the successful one.
    Since it is unlikely that 'Mangenius' gets a head coaching job this off-season, does any head coach hire a known snitch to work as an assistant?


I wonder what this says about Belichick? It's also interesting to note that most of the free agents that leave the team never live up to the success they had as a Patriot.
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    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
      Originally posted by redsoxnation
      The Belichick coaching tree really hasn't set the world on fire. Charlie Weis is the successful one.
      Since it is unlikely that 'Mangenius' gets a head coaching job this off-season, does any head coach hire a known snitch to work as an assistant?


    I wonder what this says about Belichick? It's also interesting to note that most of the free agents that leave the team never live up to the success they had as a Patriot.


As much as people love to hate him, I think it points to where the Pats success really lies.



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    Originally posted by Kidbrooklyn
    Not to be a Favre apologist (22 picks is about 10 too many considering the source), but if a guy like Favre is consistently watching his defense play like trash, he tends to take more risks.

Look, I love Favre (not so much Thomas Jones and an anonymous player; link: http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/jets/ny-spfavre0101,0,147368.story), but he takes risks no matter how his defense is playing. And, by the end of the year, he was a 39 year old risk taking gunslinger with an injured arm. That's a recipe for disaster.
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    Originally posted by Corajudo
      Originally posted by Kidbrooklyn
      Not to be a Favre apologist (22 picks is about 10 too many considering the source), but if a guy like Favre is consistently watching his defense play like trash, he tends to take more risks.

    Look, I love Favre (not so much Thomas Jones and an anonymous player; link: http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/jets/ny-spfavre0101,0,147368.story), but he takes risks no matter how his defense is playing. And, by the end of the year, he was a 39 year old risk taking gunslinger with an injured arm. That's a recipe for disaster.


Last year with the Packers he seemed a little more under control and less stupid until the last play off game.



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    Originally posted by DrDirt

    Last year with the Packers he (Favre) seemed a little more under control and less stupid until the last play off game.


Not to pick nits but 2007 was the exception, not the rule. Favre had been declining and in 2005 and 2006 he tossed 47 INTs (38 TDs) and put up passer ratings that barely topped 70. I know the passer rating has its foibles, but in '06 his rating was worse than Alex Smith. In 05 he trailed TWO QBs from Baltimore (including one Kyle Boller) and The Joey Harrington. That's dreadful.

Quality QBs can sometimes find a way to pull out one more great year toward the end of their careers like he did in 07, but they'll rarely find a way to do it in back-to-back seasons. The Jets expected him to not only find a way of doing that, but to do so whilst trying to learn a new playbook in a short training camp.

I'll grant you some of this is hindsight (I doubt many people would've figured Pennington to be so healthy or efficient) and I'm *still* bitter about the 24/7 Brett-watch this summer, but it was an odd move by the Jets at the time that only looks more foolish today.

And now they can look forward to the annual Brett Favre retirement circus. Good luck with that.



(edited by dMr on 2.1.09 1521)
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I just hope Brett hangs it up and stays retired, and does so quickly. I can't take another entired offseason of 24/7 Brett Favre coverage.
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    Originally posted by dMr
      Originally posted by DrDirt

      Last year with the Packers he (Favre) seemed a little more under control and less stupid until the last play off game.


    Not to pick nits but 2007 was the exception, not the rule. Favre had been declining and in 2005 and 2006 he tossed 47 INTs (38 TDs) and put up passer ratings that barely topped 70. I know the passer rating has its foibles, but in '06 his rating was worse than Alex Smith. In 05 he trailed TWO QBs from Baltimore (including one Kyle Boller) and The Joey Harrington. That's dreadful.

    Quality QBs can sometimes find a way to pull out one more great year toward the end of their careers like he did in 07, but they'll rarely find a way to do it in back-to-back seasons. The Jets expected him to not only find a way of doing that, but to do so whilst trying to learn a new playbook in a short training camp.

    I'll grant you some of this is hindsight (I doubt many people would've figured Pennington to be so healthy or efficient) and I'm *still* bitter about the 24/7 Brett-watch this summer, but it was an odd move by the Jets at the time that only looks more foolish today.

    And now they can look forward to the annual Brett Favre retirement circus. Good luck with that.



    (edited by dMr on 2.1.09 1521)


It was an odd move by the Jets IMO but it put asses in the seats and gave them more buzz than the Giants. Not to mention actual excitement.

And I agree with your assessment but 2007 proved he can play smart, it'sust not who he is.



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I don't know it was Mangini or the front office, but the Jets line on both sides of the ball has become far more respectable in the past three years.

Whoever steps in has a few hurdles, maybe more depending on what they want to do. The defensive staff has been tailor made for the 34, and if somebody decides to go with the 43, a little tweaking will have to take place. The Quarterback position is the biggest question, obviously; as somebody on this very board once said, live by the redneck, die by the redneck.

When it comes to how the season panned out, it was a lot like the Redskins season. Once the 'Skins beat Dallas once, the seasons over. Once the Jets beat New England, the seasons over.



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    Originally posted by supersalvadoran
    He alienated the media and fans


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    Originally posted by Eddie Famous
      Originally posted by supersalvadoran
      He alienated the media and fans


    How to alienate media and fans of New York sports teams: breathe.


Well played. And true.



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Unfortunately, despite varying accounts, Mangini hasn't breathed since mid-November.

(edited by Kidbrooklyn on 7.1.09 0510)


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