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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.83
A pleasant news piece, Jessica Alba has been confirmed for the role of Sue Storm. That leaves the cast looking like this:

Ioan Gruffudd - Reed Richards/Mr. Fantastic
Jessica Alba - Sue Storm/The Invisible Woman
Chris Evans - Johnny Storm/The Human Torch
Michael Chiklis - Ben Grimm/The Thing
Tim Story - Director

Well, it's looking like Jessica Alba will be the big draw for this Marvel flick. But Michael Chiklis better be ready, because this role could MAKE his career.




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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.24
Bios, with help from the Internet Movie Database...

IOAN GRUFFUDD [Mister Fantastic]
PRONOUNCED: YO-an GRIFF-ith
AGE: 31
FROM: Cardiff, Wales
APPEARED IN: Titanic [5th Officer Howard Lowe], the Horatio Hornblower TV movies [Horatio Hornblower], Black Hawk Down [Lt. Beales] & King Arthur [Lancelot]
RANGE: Seems to play dignified Brits, so could work well as dignified Reed Richards.

CHRIS EVANS [The Human Torch]
AGE: 23
FROM: Sudbury, Mass.
APPEARED IN: Short-lived TV series Opposite Sex [Cary Baston], Not Another Teen Movie [Jack Wyler], The Perfect Score [Kyle] and the upcoming Cellular [Ryan]
RANGE: Cocky guy. Fits like a glove...

MICHAEL CHIKLIS [The Thing]
AGE: 41
FROM: Lowell, Mass.
APPEARED IN: Nixon [TV Director], TV series St. Michael's Crossing [Benjamin Arensen], TV series Daddio [Chris Woods], English-dubbed Spirited Away [voice of Chihiro's Father] & TV series The Shield [Vic Mackey]
AWARDS: SAG [1], Golden Globe [2] & Emmy [2] nominations for work on The Shield, one Golden Globe win & one Emmy win.
RANGE: Rugged & tough.

JESSICA ALBA [The Invisible Girl]
AGE: 23
FROM: Pomona, California
APPEARED IN: TV series Flipper [Maya Graham], Never Been Kissed [Kirsten Liosis], Idle Hands [Molly], TV series Dark Angel [Max Guevara], The Sleeping Dictionary [Selima] & Honey [Honey Daniels]
AWARDS: Golden Globe nomination for work in Dark Angel, 5 Teen Choice nominations (including one award)
RANGE: Eye candy who can occasionally fight.

Not bad. I'm actually happy they haven't gone balls-out to find a "name" actor.

(edited by Freeway420 on 14.7.04 2043)


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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.19
Wasn't Sue Storm a blonde? Isn't Jessica Alba....not blonde?

I guess anything goes in comic adaptations.

Catwoman was--
1) white
2) already played by Michelle Phifer not too long ago
3) a bad guy (heels don't get their own movies)
Whatsupwitdat?
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.24
Catwoman was a tweener. She stole, but when the chips were down she would help out the good guys...then rob 'em.



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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.27
    Originally posted by dwaters
    Wasn't Sue Storm a blonde? Isn't Jessica Alba....not blonde?


You can always dye her hair. Kirsten Dunst is usually blonde in everyday life. My problem with Jessica Alba is that she seems to be too young to play the role of Sue. I've always thought that it was an older character.

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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.76
My thoughts exactly. I'd have pegged Sue Storm as more in her mid-to-late 30's.





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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.66
No, Reed just likes them young. Sue should be about two to three years older than Johnny. She comes off being more mature due to the fact that her and Johnny's parents died while she was a 18, so she became Johnny's legal guardian. She started dating Reed shortly after she graduated from college or was in college, I forget which and I am sure it was changed around to fit the times. Sue should be in twenties. She is the only one of the FF that actually shows her age due to have a miscarriage and two kids. She just looks older than she is.
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.59
    Originally posted by dwaters
    Wasn't Sue Storm a blonde? Isn't Jessica Alba....not blonde?

    I guess anything goes in comic adaptations.

    Catwoman was--
    1) white
    2) already played by Michelle Phifer not too long ago
    3) a bad guy (heels don't get their own movies)
    Whatsupwitdat?


From what I hear, The "Catwoman" movie has nothing to do with DC comic's Catwoman. :/ The plot is something like this: The villian tests skincare products on animals! The villian gets super powers from a lotion! For some reason, Halle Berry becomes a catwoman! A Cat Fight Ensues(ahah)! Something like that. Looks really crappy.
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.83
I predict here and now that this movie will be Hollywood and Marvel's next big mis-swing just like Daredevil, The Hulk, and The Punisher. A director whom's films are garbage, a screenplay by a guy that doctors up the writing for Charlies' Angels, and the influence of the Ultimate Fantastic Four comics. Its a recipe for disaster I say . If I'm right, well...I warned you...and the chance that I'm wrong...I'll eat a big fat crow.

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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.24
Consider this: I don't think any of you have actually READ the Ultimate FF. It's well-written, aside from the misstep of renaming Doctor Doom. It's stayed true to the roots of the comic, and Warren Ellis has added some cool layers to the mythology.

Now, Marvel Knights' 4 series is supposedly more in tune with the film. I'm somewhat worried, but I've never read the comic...and I'm told it's fairly good for what it is.

I'm not saying that the FF movie's gonna be as good as the X-Men, Spider-Man or Blade. But it SHOULD be.



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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.85
    Originally posted by dwaters
    Wasn't Sue Storm a blonde? Isn't Jessica Alba....not blonde?

    I guess anything goes in comic adaptations.

    Catwoman was--
    1) white
    2) already played by Michelle Phifer not too long ago
    3) a bad guy (heels don't get their own movies)
    Whatsupwitdat?



I think if you ever watched the old campy Batman TV series, you'd see that Eartha Kitt (African American) was one of the sexiest Catwoman's ever (Phiefer was good as well).

Did you also have a problem with Michael Clark Duncan playing the Kingpin? I thought it worked well within a modern context.

It's False--Chiklis already has a made career, I think. He was great as the Commish and awesome on the Shield and he has an Emmy. I was frankly a tad bit surprised that he took this part, although I am excited to see what he does with the role.



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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.64
Is everybody here just kinda ignoring the fact that Alba can't act her way out of a paper-bag, or are we all just hoping for the best?

Bleargh. This does NOT look good.



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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.80
I don't think I've seen anything that Jessica Alba's been in, but looks and age wise, she'd probably have been the last person I would have thought of. I also have no idea who Chris Evans is, but as we all know, I love Michael Chiklis on The Shield (here's a fun fact: he played a character who's in his 50's on The Commish, even though Michael was only about 22 at the time), and I enjoyed the Horatio Hornblower movies that I saw.

Also, Ultimate Fantastic Four is pretty good, and Tim Story's Barbershop was definitely NOT garbage.

Also (2), if Catwoman can have her own comic, she can have her own movie, even if it doesn't look to be all that faithful to the source material.



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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.83
The Catwoman movie or CINO as I like to call it, not only is it unfaithful to the source material but it is garbage as well.




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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.83
    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    Is everybody here just kinda ignoring the fact that Alba can't act her way out of a paper-bag, or are we all just hoping for the best?

    Bleargh. This does NOT look good.


Well, they can cover most of Alba's "technical shortcomings" by going the Invisible Woman route and keeping her off-camera for the majority of the movie. We'd still have to deal with her voiceover work, but it'd be an improvement.

Sadly, I doubt that'll happen. Then again, maybe she'll wind up being more of a "Famke Janssen as Jean Grey" - disappointing, but forgettable enough to ignore in favor of the rest of the movie.



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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.40
    Originally posted by DrOp
      Originally posted by dwaters
      Wasn't Sue Storm a blonde? Isn't Jessica Alba....not blonde?

      I guess anything goes in comic adaptations.






    Did you also have a problem with Michael Clark Duncan playing the Kingpin? I thought it worked well within a modern context.



Jessica Alba not blonde? Just remember that Dolph Lundgren was NOT a brunette.

I'm in the minority, but I didn't think Daredevil was the trainwreck it's been made out to be. Duncan was good as the Kingpin, because he brought one element of the real Kingpin that's often overlooked--- Wilson Fisk might look tubby, but he bench-presses tractors and can hold his own in a fight.



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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.24
The consensus on the comic adaptations is more or less as follows (skewed, of course, by my own thoughts). Listed from Best to Worst:

ROAD TO PERDITION: Doesn't really count (graphic novel), but this film rocks.
SPIDER-MAN 2: Very complete film, excellent acting & third act.
X2: X-MEN UNITED: Continues threads from X-Men & expands. Good CGI, make-up & acting.
SPIDER-MAN: Fairly complete film. Acting is solid throughout, fights are good.
BATMAN: Good noir feel. Keaton is understated & good. Nicholson makes film fun.
SUPERMAN 2: Expands on more or less everything from first.
SUPERMAN: Great start. Reeve is good, Hackman is better.
X-MEN: Story spotty at times, but acting (especially by McKellan, Stewart & Jackman) makes it good.
BLADE: Well-written, well-acted for the most part. Snipes is on top of his game.
AMERICAN SPLENDOR: Very clever film. Blurs the line between the real & the comics.
GHOST WORLD: Well-written. Great performances from Birch, Buscemi & Johansson.
FROM HELL: Another graphic novel, this time with Johnny Depp. See it just for that. Oh, and the story's good.
BATMAN RETURNS: More or less like original, but no Nicholson makes for lesser film.
DICK TRACY: Story is hit or miss, depending on audience. Visual feel of the film is top notch.
BLADE 2: Story is a notch below the original, acting is just as good.
THE CROW: Great atmosphere. Acting & story are decent, too. Sequels are more of the same in the worst way possible.
MEN IN BLACK: Smith & Jones are fun, story is dumb but engaging.
DAREDEVIL: Affleck is bad choice. More or less everything is better...except for nonsensical script.
THE PUNISHER ['04]: Good revenge film. Jane is effective. Travolta seems to be waiting for something to happen, because he never hits his usual level.
THE HULK: Good acting, good story...except for strange ending that kills any momentum film built up.
BATMAN ['60s]: Dumb energetic fun. Must-see for fans of the TV show.
MEN IN BLACK 2: More or less same feel as the first, but story has rehashed feel.
TEENAGE MUTANT NINJA TURTLES: Stupid fun. Sequels are unranked due to them being crappy. Seek out TMNT2 if you want to see Kevin Nash, though.
SUPERMAN 3: Supes vs. Supes is good. Too much Richard Pryor is not.
SUPERMAN IV: Bad story, okayish acting.
SUPERGIRL: Almost as good as Supes IV.
BATMAN FOREVER: Fun at parts, but nipples on costume foretell doom.
BATMAN & ROBIN: "Ice to meet you, Batman" Ugh.
BARB WIRE: Story is crappy, but the direction gives the movie some camp value.
CAPTAIN AMERICA: The Red Skull is Italian.
THE PUNISHER ['89]: Lundgren is comedically bad. Everything else is worse.
HOWARD THE DUCK: Burn, George Lucas. Burn!

If I missed any, tell me so...



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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
    Originally posted by Freeway420
    If I missed any, tell me so...


What about Tank Girl and Judge Dread?




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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.09
    Originally posted by Freeway420
    Now, Marvel Knights' 4 series is supposedly more in tune with the film. I'm somewhat worried, but I've never read the comic...and I'm told it's fairly good for what it is.


'4' is beautifully drawn and the characterization is excellent, with all four members interacting and epitomizing their classic incarnations beautifully. It's pretty much the only Fantastic Four book I read regularly. Only problem with adapting it to film is that in '4' The Fantastic Four go broke and are kicked out of the Baxter Building. It produces great scenarios comic-wise (with all of them being established characters) but I think it's a bad starting point for the majority of the uninitiated who will probably see the movie.

As far as Freeway's list of movies goes:
Weren't Swamp Thing and The 5th Element both comics before movies? And lest us not forget our friends on the independent circuit with Spawn, Hellboy(!), and The Phantom as well as old school goodness: The Shadow, Flash Gordon, Dick Tracy, Richie Rich, Heavy Metal, and Popeye.

Some notes/gripes:
The first Batman movie was great at capturing everything about the Batman mythos visually, but it set a poor precedent for the subsequent films. "Batman" (the movie) was all about the Joker and focused primarily on his evolution and maniacal ways. This however, highly deprived Batman of the same screen time and didn't really showcase how he's "the world's greatest detective", or even his overall crime-fighting mentality (a major selling point of what makes him cool, and makes Batman, well, Batman). And based upon that, all of the films following were more about Batman's villians than actually, y'know, Batman. (Probably part of the reason actors for the role were so easily interchangable.) I'm a huge X-Men comics fan, but the movies never quite did it for me. I think that it's how far they deviated the look of the X-Men from the comics. And while I can accept the fact that their uniforms couldn't be as colorful as in the comics, I don't think they needed to make them, for lack of a better word, boring. In addition I HATED Magneto looking like a feeble old man in the movie, and his helmet was just ghastly. (The acting was pretty on point though.) I also feel that even with 2 movies, Singer hasn't found the right balance that the Spider-Man movies have. The first X film was all about characterization and skimping on plot. The second was all about plot and brief characterization. Whereas in the Spidey films you've got characterization being a driving force within the plot, as well as the plot itself furthering characterization. (Hope that made sense.) The Daredevil movie tried to do too much in too short a time. The Elektra/DD relationship was really paced akwardly. I don't know if it's just because a lot of the scenes were lifted from the "Parts of a Hole" storyline, but it felt like the Echo character would have fit that pacing better. And maybe it's just me, but Bullseye with a mustache and bushy eyebrows just looks weird. I'll agree that the Hulk movie lost it at the end. If they had just kept it straight forward "Hulk mad, now Hulk sad, what Bruce Banner do?" instead of getting too scifi-ish at the end it would have been perfect. Just some thoughts.

edit: remembered the old school movies


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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
    Originally posted by Jericholic53
    As far as Freeway's list of movies goes:
    Weren't Swamp Thing and The 5th Element both comics before movies?


Swamp Thing, yes. The Fifth Element, no.

According to IMDB.com:

Writing credits (WGA)
Luc Besson (story)

Luc Besson (screenplay) &
Robert Mark Kamen (screenplay)

There is no credit for comic book adaptation.

For those not in the know, RMK wrote the Karate Kid movies, Transporter 1 & 2, and A Walk in the Clouds. He also produced the OTHER Punisher movie.






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