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BigDaddyLoco
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#1 Posted on
In an interview on the WWF site he compare The Net and himself to marrying a gorgeous woman and telling her how BAD she is.

Get over yourself Jericho. Really.

*WE* didn't marry that woman which you refer to. If anything *we* (The Net) married a girl who is good looking, but lacking in some areas. *We* overlooked her shortcomings ie height and mailing it in on occasions. *We* told anyone and everyone who would listen that she was Miss America. That she was the prettiest of them all.

YOU chose to listen to a few screwballs. YOU flew off the handle. YOU chose to listen to the guy in the corner that called you the ugliest girl in the room.

Now you want a seperation from *US*. You no longer care what *WE* think. Well, you know what Chris Jericho? There are women in this room much prettier than you. Many that really deserve a shot at the big time more than you. Just remember YOU are turning your back on your biggest supporters. It not the other way around.



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#2 Posted on
So why're you getting so worked up over the one guy out of a big group of them who critiques your commentary?
AndrewGilkison
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#3 Posted on
Fuck Chris Jericho. If he and Lance Storm and any other WWE Superstar on the roster and any WWE employee in general is too stupid to understand the simple concept that the Net bashes what they don't like and praises what they like, then fuck them all. If WWE goes out of business in then years due to making stupid business dicisions and not listening to the fans (and mocking and yelling at potental paying costumers on the Net), then they deserve to go down with the sinking ship.

There is no plan by the Internet to kill the wrestling business Chris Jericho, and no, we are not just a group of idiots who follow the opinions of Dave Meltzer like mice following the Pide Piper, Lance Storm. Get your heads out of your ass, both of you.

STOP BLAMING US FOR YOUR BAD BUSINESS!!!! WE ARE NOT THE PROBLEM!!!!! WE ARE NOT THE ENEMY!!!!! STOP GETTING INTO PISSING CONTESTS WITH US AND FIX THE DAMN PRODUCT!!!!

Sorry about the all-caps, but I figured typing it big enough would have a better chance of getting it through WWE's thick skull.



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Since: 1.5.02
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#4 Posted on
How did the point of his rants get so misconstrued?

Jericho busted his ass on a daily basis, be it in a good match, a great match, or a "let's see how many times I can slip off the ropes" affair, and got a lot of mainstream popularity for it, fueled by the internet, which arguably got him where he is.

As his popularity grew, so did the amount of people talking about him on the internet, and thus, so did the idiots.

So after some time of stress, he had what he thought was one of his best matches, and found people on the internet bashing it. He went a little nuts at those people.

How did this become "Chris Jericho is blaming the internet for the WWE's bad business" or "Lance Storm thinks the internet is plotting to kill the industry"?

The man said that it *seemed like some fans wished the business would dry up*. There's no "I blame you" here. There's no conspiracy theory.

When did Jericho lose the right to get pissed off at the idiots? Because he's an entertainer, he's not allowed to get frustrated at the people he sees as impossible to please?
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Since: 3.1.02
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#5 Posted on
Really, why are you allowed to have an opinion and Jericho isn't?

Is it because he's so negative, I hope not, since you seem to be Mr. Negativity around here.

I do agree that his analogy was a little off, but I completely agree with this part:

"I'm a huge wrestling fan -- I always have been -- and I want to see wrestling survive and get better. So I look at the positive sides of things instead of the negative sides. If I watch a show and there's three things that suck and seven things that are great, let's talk about the seven great things instead of the three things that sucked for once, please. And if not, why do you even bother wasting your time watching it?"


(edited by BobHollySTILLRules on 6.7.02 0830)


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#6 Posted on
I gotta' agree with Storm and Jericho, they do what everyone on this board is given the freedom to everyday, and just because you disagree you crucify them. Besides, it's just a television show. And Jericho doesn't hate ME. I bought a couple of his t-shirts and like his match with RVD. All in all get over it, they're just expressing their opinions, sure Jericho's is a little bitter and angry, while Storm's is well-presented, but WHO CARES!? They're allowed to have their opinions and then post them online just like us. Get over it.

And one wrestler doesn't make the product. And I think the product IS better. Oh, well, "Go Jericho, GO! Go, Jericho, GO!"



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AndrewGilkison
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#7 Posted on
    Originally posted by BobHollySTILLRules
    Really, why are you allowed to have an opinion and Jericho isn't?


Because Jericho's opinion is that I don't deserve to have an opinion of my own about his matches or the product in general, or at lest not one that's... haven forbid... negative. He and Lance Storm and the clowns on Byte This think I, the lonely Internet geek, should only focus on the good things about WWE and not even bother to point out the flaws as they apparently don't matter.


    Is it because he's so negative, I hope not, since you seem to be Mr. Negativity around here.


What exactly is it about my *negative* opinions that you don't agree with? Do you have anything to counterpoint? Anything to bring to the table that would somehow get me to see your point of view? Apparently not, as all you do is pound "you're too negative" into my skull with a sledgehammer.

Seems to me that "you're too negative" is code speak for "your opinions are right on the button and it pisses me off, so go away as I can't deal with the fact that your telling the painful hard truth that I don't want to face".

Tell me I am wrong here.


    I do agree that his analogy was a little off, but I completely agree with this part:

    "I'm a huge wrestling fan -- I always have been -- and I want to see wrestling survive and get better. So I look at the positive sides of things instead of the negative sides.



Lance Storm thinks that is how to make wrestling better? Ignore the bad and just focus on the good?

Good thing Stu Hart didn't have that same mindset when he was training Lance and Jericho up in the Great White North, or both would suck major ass in the ring.


    If I watch a show and there's three things that suck and seven things that are great, let's talk about the seven great things instead of the three things that sucked for once, please.


Yeah, but those three things still sucked at the end of the day, and whether I ignored them or not didn't stop them from sucking. Even if they didn't ruin the whole show for me, I still don't want those three things to suck the next time I watch it.

Things that sucked need to be improved upon so they won't suck anymore. Why is that concept so hard for you to understand?


    And if not, why do you even bother wasting your time watching it?"


    (edited by BobHollySTILLRules on 6.7.02 0830)



That also seems to be code speak for "your opinions are right on the button and it pisses me off, so go away as I can't deal with the fact that your telling the painful hard truth that I don't want to face". Nice to see that both you, Jericho and Lance share the same mindsets. No wonder you defend them so much around here, BobHollySTILLRules.

Or should I just call you Mr. Positivity?

(edited by AndrewGilkison on 6.7.02 0717)


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#8 Posted on
Seems to me that "you're too negative" is code speak for "your opinions are right on the button and it pisses me off, so go away as I can't deal with the fact that your telling the painful hard truth that I don't want to face".

Easy cheesy. It's not like Storm and Jericho pointed at you, Andrew Gilkinson for having an opinion and said, "This man is not allowed an opinion." Jericho's went online, saw some bad stuff and went overboard. We've all done it. Who cares? You're getting way to blown up about this Gilks. Just take a chaill pill. Man, and change you're picture, I associate Molly Holly with you now and it makes me...resent her for her negative feelings on the internet. As for BHSR's, the guys posts his opinion all the time and always backs it up well. Unlike others who go on tirades for no reason. Just chill, buddy.

BobHolly is allowed his opinion just like you're allowed yours.



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#9 Posted on
Yes, you should. I like that.

Now onto my counterpoint, here's my thing. You are ALWAYS negative, hell, your one positive post, your approach seemed to be that it pained you to do it. I honestly don't get why you watch wrestling. Enlighten me. It seems to me that you don't like anything about it and the stuff you do like, you're mad that you do.

Edit: Also, you say you shouldn't ignore the negatives, fine, but you shouldn't ignore the positives either. And if you can honestly say that in the past 2 weeks that there were more negatives than positives, then fine, but I don't agree. I think the postives have far outweighed the negatives. Now, sure, you can say it's only been 2 weeks, but it's still the most recent 2 weeks. Who cares if the show 3 weeks ago sucked? All I'm saying is I think you're going a little overboard in the ripping of the WWE product. Maybe that's just me.

And if you've responded to me while I'm editing this, I apologize, I posted before I finished my thought. My fault.

(edited by BobHollySTILLRules on 6.7.02 1025)


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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.87
I come to this board all the time to find people whining about the same things over and over. Triple H is holding people down. The Undertaker is killing workrate. And it continues. It doesn't matter that you've said it a hundred times over - you still feel the need to get in that one last shot.

And as long as I see it continue, Go Jericho Go!

It's his opinion you suck. This would be the same freedom of speech we preach here regularly when people tell us to stop whining so much.

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#11 Posted on
Yay for Jericho!!!

Man, it's about time someone finally really took a stand...

I've been grinning since I heard...

...

YAY!
El Nastio
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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.33
Jericho simply just said his opinion. Can someone please explain to me what the difference is between him doing this and Scott Keith saying that matches "had no flow and bleh blah bluh"? Or what's the difference when Keller and others at the Torch say things?


From a wrestling standpoint, very few people are qualified to say much of anything to be quite honest. I spent 4 Years doing freestyle amatuer wrestling and I've spent several studying the Art of technical and submission style wrestling. If someone wrote constently about how they thought that I was not doing a Northern Lights properly, or that my Half Nelson Roll-Up wasn't smooth, they'd be lucky if I didn't find them and do it to them. I'm not saying you need to have a wrestling background to comment on wrestling matches, but it does help to gain perspective on things, on why Jericho is pissed.



On June 27th, 2002, the Montreal Expos (number one on the MLB contraction list) added MONEY to their payroll, aquiring Bartolo Colon. In a time like this, there's two quotes that come to the forefront;

cfgb: "I hate to say it, but Atlanta really needs to be watching their rear ends".
And Number Two;

DJ FrostyFreeze: "PLEASE BELIEVE IT!"
rabidzebra
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Since: 23.6.02
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#13 Posted on
The only people who have might have a right to be offended by what Jericho said, are the people who critisized his match. If you do talk about his matches why doesn't he have to right to talk about. If you never uddered a word about his match then lay off this has nothing to do with you. Why do you need to put gas on something that to every one else isn't a big deal. I think the real problem is that other then an occasional Ross Report this is the first time that I can think of when a wrestler has gripped about the internet fans. Are our egos so fragile we can't take criticism without lashing back with hate.



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#14 Posted on
Lance Storm:
"How ironic that “the critics” don’t like being criticized."

I hate to say it - but Lance is being proven right here.




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#15 Posted on
Have we stopped and pondered that Jericho has every right to critique us, as we critique, say, SK?

It's cyclical; hell -- everything can be critiqued. We have to understand that we're armchair wrestlers, and nothing more. I know that we're all giddy that Chris actually *replied* to the net, but come on... I'd be more pissed off if my company accidentaly moved a decimal point the wrong way.
AndrewGilkison
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#16 Posted on
BobHollySTILLRules, that last comment in my positive post was sarcasm. My attempt that humor. I even added the ;-) to further point that out. Sorry that you failed to miss it. I really didn't MEAN IT when I said I was going to watch Mark Henry matches to put me back in a bad mood. Some people can't take a joke... jeez... ;-)

Are the shows getting better? I guess you can say that they are better then they were three weeks ago after Flair turned heel on Austin which caused RAW's product to really take a nose dive after the split. Brock is at lest a new face in the main event, and that ladder match with Hardy/UT was better then that Hogan/Regal "match" weeks before Judgment Day. Of course given the bad few months during Hogan's title reign, it's easy to see the past few weeks as an improvement.

But here is the thing. The shows still need to be improved upon. There are still things on RAW (I can't see Smackdown because I don't have UPN, so I can't form many opinions on it) and in WWE in general that need to "get the F out" (to coin a phrase) if the product will continue to make improvements, and I plan on pointing those things out here and on other message boards that I post on, even if Jericho and people around here label me "too negative" in the process.

But I don't understand why people have a problem with my *negativity*. I mean it is just my opinion, and I (at lest it seems to me anyway) give it in a well-reasoned manner (but you all might feel differently). Or am I just missing something, and a lot of the negativity in general about WWF/WWE for the past year in a half just caused people to give up and ignore it in favor of "being positive".

The reason I am not overly positive about WWE these days is because I've been disappointed time and time again by Vince in the last year in a half. I had a lot of faith in Vince that he would do the WCW/ECW vs. WWF angle right, and he blew it. I had faith in Vince that he would do great things with Jericho's Undisputed Championship reign and he blew it. I had faith in Vince that he would make the nWo poison angle work, and after a great build up to their debut, he blew it in less then two days.

That is why I give WWE a hard time, because I just don't TRUST Vince and his company anymore, even when they show signs of improvement (because I am afraid they are going to screw it up three months down the road). I think a lot of fans have felt the same way, which is why there has been so much negativity from Meltzer and everyone else.

It's like trying to trust a spouse who has had a history of cheating on you or letting you down. You just become kind of skeptical after a while as to whether you can 100% trust them to not screw things up again.

Bottom line, I feel that WWE has to *earn* my positivity again like they were doing for most of the 1998-2000 period. I don't feel I am wrong in feeling the way I do, and I don't understand where Jericho is coming from with his feelings on the net.

That is my problem with what he said. I just don't understand why *he* is so negative about the Internet. I mean most of those people in the Torch feedback section thought his match with Rob was the best match of the night. Why is he so angry with us in general (yes, I felt he was talking to me because he was talking to all of us in general)? How did those TWO negative reviews on his KOTR match with Rob at the Torch feedback "ruin" the Internet for him? I just don't understand where he is coming from.

It wasn't like his commentary was well thought out as he basically made the same ignorant complaints about the net that a lot of people *on the net* have made for years in regards to negative comments (you're going to be the death of wrestling, nothing can please you, you overanalyze the product and you need to "just enjoy" it more, blah, blah, blah, etc). And he also basically just "flamed" the Internet fans out of anger rather then calming down and giving us his disagreements in a civilized manner (I mean he titled the commentary "hello jackasses" for crying out loud). I don't respond well to name calling, but maybe it's just me.

I don't understand how someone can be "too negative" as long as they give their opinions in an intelligent way that makes sense. I don't understand the "you think too much" argument either, and I've never agreed with it, and I never will.

Sorry if I've rubbed people around here the wrong way, but just don't feel apologetic about my negative comments directed towards WWE's creative booking for the past year in a half on the internet because I think they have deserved it for the most part.

Like someone else here said, "it's their job to please me, not my job to be pleased by them", or something like that.



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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.33
Gilks, don't watch the shows. Period.



On June 27th, 2002, the Montreal Expos (number one on the MLB contraction list) added MONEY to their payroll, aquiring Bartolo Colon. In a time like this, there's two quotes that come to the forefront;

cfgb: "I hate to say it, but Atlanta really needs to be watching their rear ends".
And Number Two;

DJ FrostyFreeze: "PLEASE BELIEVE IT!"
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#18 Posted on

    Originally posted by El Nastio
    I spent 4 Years doing freestyle amatuer wrestling and I've spent several studying the Art of technical and submission style wrestling. If someone wrote constently about how they thought that I was not doing a Northern Lights properly, or that my Half Nelson Roll-Up wasn't smooth, they'd be lucky if I didn't find them and do it to them. I'm not saying you need to have a wrestling background to comment on wrestling matches, but it does help to gain perspective on things, on why Jericho is pissed.


Completely irrelevant in this case.

For true athletic contests, the proof of how something 'should' be is whether it is effective and whether it brings you a win. Who cares if it looks 'smooth' as long as it works?

For pro wrestling, how effective it REALLY is doesn't mean anything, it's all in how it looks. So who cares if you 'really' know how to do it in a pro wrestling context... if how it is 'really' done doesn't look like it hurts, the the crowd either needs to be re-educated to know when a guy does move x or y that it means something, or the wrestlers need to pay more attention to the visual aspect of the move.

And Jericho is being extremely lame and short-sighted about all of this anyway.




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#19 Posted on
To all fans who say that the WWE is the worst ever they must be new fans. Or they would remember when Diesel was champ Double J as IC champ and Sparky Plug and the 123 Kid were Tag champs. Now that was a bad time. Bret was being kept down for telling the truth about how the click was hurting the WWF.
As far as bad writing is anyone claiming the Corporate Ministry was good? The writing has always been weak in wrestling and will always be. It is used to explain why men pretend to fight in their underwear not exactly War and Peace here.
So I think that most of the fans who bitch about everything are all the SCSA fans who started watching 3 years ago when wrestling was cool. Sorry I hate to break it to you people but wrestling was never cool. It was semi popular. Austin is gone and most likely won't be back for years.
So now they pick on Jericho because he told his honest opinion. Should he have done it so bluntly? I say no just because he shouldn't fan the fire. But he does have that right. If you want to complain go ahead but as others have said you should also try to say what you like and what you think they should do to fix it. If the answer is nothing to either of those well, quit watching. If everything sucks ass and will never be better why are you here?



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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.33
"For pro wrestling, how effective it REALLY is doesn't mean anything, it's all in how it looks. So who cares if you 'really' know how to do it in a pro wrestling context... if how it is 'really' done doesn't look like it hurts, the the crowd either needs to be re-educated to know when a guy does move x or y that it means something, or the wrestlers need to pay more attention to the visual aspect of the move."



Yes it does matter how effective it really is. Combat Effectiveness of moves is what keeps believablity within the ring. If a finisher is not believable in putting someone down or making them tap, then it demeans the other holds. Also, more often than not they have to change the moves so that they're "watered down". because if they were properly done then there wouldbe serious injury done.


The fact that I've done it, and have used many holds DOES mean I know something about stuff like this. I know that Jericho has a vailid point, partially because I HAVE been in his position before, where people were ragging on me because I "messed up" or didn't live up to their expectations. Mine was relegated to just in the school. Jericho is dealing with it in a wider scale (the IWC). And the funny thing is; people rag on Jericho but they may not know of all the situation involved.

Example; I finished 4th in this one tourny. Everyone expected me to bring home a medal, and I didn't. I was feeling sick that day (threw up twice before a match) and still went out there and advanced a couple of rounds. When I got back, people didn't hear of myself getting sick and still competing, they asked me why I didn't bring home "hardware".

They didn't say "good job" or "what happened". They didn't care about that. They said nothing positive. THAT is what Jericho is complaining about.

(edited by El Nastio on 6.7.02 1407)


On June 27th, 2002, the Montreal Expos (number one on the MLB contraction list) added MONEY to their payroll, aquiring Bartolo Colon. In a time like this, there's two quotes that come to the forefront;

cfgb: "I hate to say it, but Atlanta really needs to be watching their rear ends".
And Number Two;

DJ FrostyFreeze: "PLEASE BELIEVE IT!"
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