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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.76
I was entertained by Jarrett's work as "Don't Piss Me Off" in the WWF and his non silver-NWO WCW stuff. His matches weren't Benoit-caliber, but they were more than watchable. Hell I remember the Net going batshit for his feud with Booker T, and no it wasn't one-sided Booker praise. Jarrett more than got his fair share of acknowledge from writers for attempting to breathe life into the carcass of WCW.

He's fallen far, though. His TNA ringwork is abysmal and his promos are a shell of what he used to be able to put out. The guy's time is over but it just seems he refuses to see that.



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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.42
    Originally posted by BigVitoMark
    Jarrett has his pros and cons, but one fact is indisputable....he is not a draw. The guy does not make a dollar. If Jeff Jarrett was a draw, WCW's buy rate numbers wouldn't have been competing with and in some cases losing to ECW in 2000. If Jeff Jarrett was a draw, the WWA would have been a success. If Jeff Jarrett was a draw, it wouldn't have taken TNA nearly three years to put on a three hour PPV.

    Jarrett is a good role player, and I'll even admit to being somewhat of a fan before he became HHH Jr. He's not compelling enough to be the focal point of the show, and his matches are the same week in and week out. To say he's the most recognizable name is a self fulfilling prophecy if you keep him on top all the time. How will Monty Brown, say, ever get any serious name value if he's used to put Jarrett over one month and then turned heel, made Jarrett's flunky, and stuck in midcard tags the next? It's easy to be the most recognizable name if you make a concerted effort to keep it that way.


I think it's interesting how WCW's death has retroactively been used as a criticism of Jarrett. This isn't the first time I've heard this argument, but I still just don't understand what people think would have been a "draw" in
WCW from late 1999 on. The name was destroyed, the promotion was falling apart and most of the talented wrestlers couldn't jump quick enough at a chance to get out of there. The only ones that stuck around were the ones who had either made enemies at Titan (including Jarrett) and those who were collecting fat guaranteed contracts (Nash, Hogan, etc.). Jarrett just had the unfortunate timing in hitting his absolute peak as an entertainer at a time when the leaders of the best promotion in the country hated him and the leaders in the next best were morons.

Criticize Jarrett because you think his matches are cliche or boring. Knock Jarrett because his style on the stick gets old. Hate him because you think he's holding down younger, more deserving talent. But don't use the fact that he couldn't pull up a ship that was already 90 percent submerged against him.

(Personally, Jarrett is the *only* thing that kept me watching the final year of WCW. I also liked him in the WWF from the time he started teaming with Owen on.)
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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.06
That's interesting, because Jarrett is the only thing that stopped me from watching WCW at the end. Specifically, his continued assaults on women. I tuned in one week and saw him smash some girl with a guitar and thought, "Okay, I don't need to watch this anymore."
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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.80
    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
    I think it's interesting how WCW's death has retroactively been used as a criticism of Jarrett. This isn't the first time I've heard this argument, but I still just don't understand what people think would have been a "draw" in WCW from late 1999 on. The name was destroyed, the promotion was falling apart and most of the talented wrestlers couldn't jump quick enough at a chance to get out of there. The only ones that stuck around were the ones who had either made enemies at Titan (including Jarrett) and those who were collecting fat guaranteed contracts (Nash, Hogan, etc.). Jarrett just had the unfortunate timing in hitting his absolute peak as an entertainer at a time when the leaders of the best promotion in the country hated him and the leaders in the next best were morons.

    Criticize Jarrett because you think his matches are cliche or boring. Knock Jarrett because his style on the stick gets old. Hate him because you think he's holding down younger, more deserving talent. But don't use the fact that he couldn't pull up a ship that was already 90 percent submerged against him.

    (Personally, Jarrett is the *only* thing that kept me watching the final year of WCW. I also liked him in the WWF from the time he started teaming with Owen on.)


No, it is not fair to blame Jarrett for WCW's demise, however in the last five years he has been on top in three promotions and not made any of them successful. I even admitted enjoying Jarrett during that time. My point is that I don't see how you justify keeping a guy on top for more than three years in today's climate when he has a history of not being a draw, whether for TNA or for others.



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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.86
    Originally posted by Tenken347
    That's interesting, because Jarrett is the only thing that stopped me from watching WCW at the end. Specifically, his continued assaults on women. I tuned in one week and saw him smash some girl with a guitar and thought, "Okay, I don't need to watch this anymore."


Oh yeah, NOBODY else EVER does that in wrestling.



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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.95
    Originally posted by Quezzy
      Originally posted by Tenken347
      That's interesting, because Jarrett is the only thing that stopped me from watching WCW at the end. Specifically, his continued assaults on women. I tuned in one week and saw him smash some girl with a guitar and thought, "Okay, I don't need to watch this anymore."


    Oh yeah, NOBODY else EVER does that in wrestling.


Well, did WCW Jarrett ever get his comeuppance for those frequent attacks? WWF Jarrett got beat by Chyna in the pay-off to that angle. Heck, the Dudleyz frequent attacks on women led to a Table Match with the Hardyz and then to the Ladder/TLC series.



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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.06
More specifically, it was just Jarrett, constantly. I swear, it was every week, sometimes twice a week, that Jarrett was wailing on some chick. I don't like it when anyone does it, but the shear volume and frequency of it, like it was Jarrett's gimick at the time, was really off-puting. I seriously tuned in one week, and I couldn't believe that Jarrett was STILL beating up women.
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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.00
I enjoyed Jarrett's work until the end of WCW. I think I appreciated him during his last run in WWE mainly due to the fact that he was a fairly solid wrestler at a time when a large part of the show did not have good wrestling on it. I thought his "Chosen One" shtick in WCW was fine, and I actually liked how they brought over all of his WWF (at the time) traits such as the guitars and his misogyny. The whole "slapnut" thing began to get a bit tired when it seemed as though he need to work in "Now choke on that slapnuts" even if it didn't make sense in the context of his promo. Nevertheless, I was a bit bummed that Vince didn't pick him up to go along with the InVasion seeing as how Jarrett had been a pretty integral part of WCW for over a year at that point and that he would have had a huge amount of heat with WWF fans for how he left. But I suppose Vince wasn't looking to rebuild that bridge.

Now though... I can't call myself a fan of his. His ring work has not deteriorated since TNA started, but it hasn't progressed either. He's got one match formula, it never varies and it's tired. His promos are boring. At TNA's outset I praised him being an upper tier player and not basing the promotion around himself. Somewhere along the line he decided that HE was the star, the "King of the Mountain" and the main individual that the promotion should be based around.

He also can't take a hint. TNA is supposed to be the promotion that REALLY listens to the fans and gives them what they want. Jarrett definitely doesn't abide by this:

1. When Raven entered the promotion as a super-hot heel they built up a match between he and Jarrett (then a face) for the title. This match was being called "The most anticipated match in TNA history" if not the most over-hyped. It wasn't a bad match, but by the time it rolled around the fans had pretty much sided with Raven and Jarrett was the de facto heel. That didn't stop him from kicking out of a million Raven DDTs and trying to look like a super face. The fans did not approve. Raven was turned face right after and didn't get the belt until now when his popularity is not quite at the same level.

2. He continued to be booked as a face after that match until the crowd reaction made it impossible for him to be anything but a heel.

3. He made AJ Styles look like a chump during his first title reign. Vinnie Ru helped here as well.

4. Monty Brown. The fans were chanting NEXT WORLD CHAMP at this guy. Yeah, he's green. Yeah, he's a hoss. Yeah, his promos are bizarre. But he was a real TNA homegrown talent. The fans bought his act. They were sick of Jeff. They were rabid for a title change. Jarrett goes over and Monty gets turned heel a month later? The belt should have been put on Brown here. There was no reason for Jarrett to keep the belt. And since Brown has done nothing of value since being turned and Rhino has just come in doing the same gig Brown was doing, was there any point?

5. Working title matches with DDP and Kevin Nash? It didn't draw in WCW, why would it draw 5 years later?

6. The fans were chanting "DROP THE TITLE" at him. That is not good heat. Yes, I understand that TNA probably draws a large number of the same fans to every taping, and it's a small amount of people compared to a WWE show. Still, I'd say that they represent a fair majority of the viewing community (possible because TNA's viewership is ultimately not very big anyway). They do not want you as champ. You own the promotion. As a businessman, listen to what the fan-base is telling you.

7. His unwillingness to job. He wouldn't participate in the King of The Mountain match because he wasn't going to win. A Match with 5 other people and he wouldn't even have to be pinned and he wouldn't do it.

8. He still will not back away from the main event scene. Rhino has just come in, Monty Brown is there, Abyss, Waltman, possibly even building to something with Daniels or Samoa Joe and whoever they pick up from the latest rash of WWE releases. Raven's issue with Sabu was never resolved either. Jarrett does not need to be ingratiating himself into the title picture.

If he could just stand back, try to work good upper card feuds and occasionally get in the title picture I'd have no problem with him. Hell, if he put on amazing matches and cut great promos I probably would have no problem with him keeping himself on top. But if HIS promotion... the one that promises such an innovative in-ring product is supposed to have any sort of a future, he's got to realize that he is not the right person to be the face of it.

(EDIT: had to fix a few mistakes)

(edited by The Squire on 25.7.05 1442)


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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.64
Like many here, I used to like Jarrett a lot, but I just never bought him as a main eventer. And I especially don't buy him as the unstoppable, dominant force the promotion revolves around. I certainly don't hate the guy, but I don't have much desire to watch him these days, either. He's a good, entertaining wrestler with excellent in-ring presence, but it's not main-event presence. Jarrett and guys like him fill an important role in a company, and at the top of their game, they can even become one of the top two or three reasons you watch. But they're just not suited to the very top.

That said! There is one good reason to build TNA around him that I don't think I've heard anybody point out. Delusional or not, TNA has designs on competing with WWE, of being on their level one day. Some think they're crazy, and they may be right, but I refuse to believe they're stupid or naive enough not to know that the closer they get to being competitive, the harder it's going to get -- the harder Vince is going to try to stop them. And anybody who knows anything about wrestling history knows how Vince tries to stop potential competitors. The fact of the matter is that the second Vince sees TNA as a threat, whoever is on top at the time -- whether that be AJ Styles, Christopher Daniels, Monty Brown or anyone else -- is gone. Vince may think AJ Styles is a rube who doesn't wrestle WWE style and will never be able to connect to the fans in the big time, but as soon as TNA is stealing any of his viewers, he'll throw a heap of money at him, stick him in a straw hat and overalls, send him out holding an ear of corn and tell him to keep it to one flip over the top rope per match. The one guy who isn't going to bolt, of course, is Jarrett, so it makes sense to keep the belt on him most of the time and at the very least keep him in a position where even if he isn't champ, he can easily be shunted into that role when the need arises.

Mind you, I'm not saying this is what I'd do. Personally, I feel the benefits of going in a fresh, new direction outweigh the risks -- but there are risks, and I can understand where TNA is coming from.



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