I was looking at the TLC matches last night and the similarities between the two occured to me. Jeff and Mick both are known for dangerous, high risk moves to get them over. Without those stunts, matches involving the two are pretty bland. Both seem not to fit in the WWE universe. Kind of on an island to themselves.
Of course Mick ended up being really good on the stick and Jeff is horrible. It also seems Jeff uses, "meds" to deal with the effects of the pain when I think Mick just toughed it out. I do wonder if there was not a Mick Foley before him, would Jeff be more over with fan who are not 13 year-old girls. Would fans repect the daredevil antics if they hadn't seen Mick to it a decade earlier?
I looked at Mick's career as sad because he needed to do such crazy stunts to get over and the long-term affects have to be devastating. As a thanks, Vince just let him walk. But I look at Jeff's career in an even worse light. I mean, Jeff doesn't look like he will live long enough to get over to the degree Mick was. I don't think he has a "Socko" to pull out to help either.
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January 4th 1999 - The day WCW injected itself with 10 gallons of Liquid Anthrax...AKA...The day Hogan "Defeated" Nash to win the WCW title in front of 40,000.
I think the difference here, though, is that Jeff can't come up with match psychology on his own too terribly well. Everytime he does have a well-paced match with proper integration of high-spots in the match's "story," he's wrestling someone like Jericho. When he's not wrestling someone good at psychology, there isn't any in the match.
Mick, for all the garbage wrestling and high-spots that he did, at least tried to tell a story in the ring, whenever possible. He built on emotion, previous moves, etc. to give us the sense of something unfolding. Jeff just gives off the sense of something splattering: it happens too quickly, sometimes seemingly accidentally, and everything just goes all over the damned place.
Jeff also seems to throw in the table-breaking high spots when they're not necessary. Like during a random RAW match, he'll go through a table. It's just gonna hasten his deterioration. Every time I watch him, I think if the WWE brass cared about his long-term health, someone would talk to him and get him to tone down his style.
"My brother saw the Undertaker walking through an airport." - Rex "Was he no-selling?" - Me
"...release the dogs, or the bees, or the dogs with bees in their mouths, and when they bark, they shoot bees at you?" -- Homer Simpson
Mick Foley: -3-time WWF Champion, undeniable charisma, fairly solid ring general, excellent at bumps, best matches include Royal Rumble Streetfight with Triple H and his series of matches with The Rock, most of which DIDN'T rely on horribly dangerous stunts. Became broken down after about 13 years of wrestling, retired at the top.
Jeff Hardy: -multi-time Tag Champion, some charisma but not used to the fullest, okay with technical work, good bumper to begin, but got rundown...at what, 25?
Jeff Hardy now is about the same as Mick Foley during his last year, just before Cactus Jack returned and had his last run. Foley was around 10 years older than Jeff is now.
I'm scared for Jeff.
"I know something that will cheer you up, Wesley" "Are you programmed to be thinking what I'm thinking?" "MAKEOVER!!" Princical Scudworth & Mr. Butlertron; Clone High
Take away the sick bumps and Mick Foley was a really good brawler and had a great wrestling mind. There's a reason his brawls are 100x better then most of the typical garbage type matches.
Also, Foley could the most amazing range in doing promos that there's probably ever been in wrestling. His insanity as Cactus Jack. His anti-hardcore/pro-WCW heel stuff in ECW was brilliant. His original Mankind stuff. Dude Love the face and heel (Corporate Dude). The loveable, comical Mankind. Commissioner Foley.
When Foley's body couldn't handle the amount of sick bumps anymore, he had so much more to fall back on wrestling-wise then Jeff Hardy does.
Already had a thread like this. http://wienerboard.com/thread.php/id=12033 And Long had been refereeing in WWE in recent years before this manager thing. Edit-just to pat myself on the back for correctly putting up my first link! :)