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http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=1936592


    Originally posted by ESPN.com news services


    Jason Giambi admitted to a federal grand jury he took steroids and human growth hormone in 2003, according to transcripts of testimony obtained by the San Francisco Chronicle and published in the newspaper's Thursday editions.


Wow. I only hope these leaks don't prevent BALCO & Co. from getting prosecuted like they should. I also hope that Barry finally cops to everything he's been on, or at least that he finally gets called on it.




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Another question this should raise is, "What action does Major League Baseball take?" Does Giambi get suspended or banned? Or does he get off scot free? What happens to Giambi at this point? And will he ever be taken seriously again?




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Technically, they weren't a banned substance when he took them, and he hasn't flunked a drug test yet. (Apparently.) I'm not sure what kind of action MLB can take against him without incurring the wrath of the Player's Union. As far as him being taken seriously again? I doubt it, at least not as long as he's being paid as much as he is and continues to produce like he did the last two seasons.



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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.87
    Originally posted by Whitebacon
    I'm not sure what kind of action MLB can take against him without incurring the wrath of the Player's Union. As far as him being taken seriously again? I doubt it, at least not as long as he's being paid as much as he is and continues to produce like he did the last two seasons.
I am personally rooting for George's people to find something in Giambi's contract that would nullify it, or somehow else allow the Yankees to jettison him already. What a total and complete waste, because at this point, I would rather have Olerud as my everyday guy. It will be amazing (and not the good, tingly kind of amazing) if this guy, coming off of the fiasco that was "Giambi's 2004 season" and having now admitted this, will in any way be on the team in 2005 without SERIOUS damage control. I have heard five different people in my office so far today basically utter "Yankee" and "cheater" in the same sentence. Myself, I have rooted for him in the same way I ever rooted for Clemens, Kenny Rodgers, Charlie Hayes, Lofton, Sheffield, Strawberry, Gooden, and the veritable cornucopia of past and present Yankees that I couldn't stand before they donned pinstripes.

Don't the Mets need a first baseman? Can we trade him there for Mo Vaughn and Piazza? Hell, how about Denny Neagle? Chan Ho Park? ANY Joe Blow Albatross Contract Guy?

Something tells me that opening day will see Giambi in the 3 hole and Pedro Martinez on the mound. Excuse me while I vomit.



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Hmmm...he's been denying taking steroids at any point in his career even after this supposed testimony?

That seems... strange. Why testify that you took them, which will of course come out eventually, only to deny it publically afterward?

Either he was acting very cowardly, or he was under a LOT of pressure from somewhere high up not to admit to taking steroids while the case was ongoing.
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I'm shocked, SHOCKED, at this news.

I'm also shocked that sun rose in the east this morning.



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Considering Sheffield has received and admitted taking steroids from BALCO and Bonds has been accused of it with no apparent ill-effects, does it seem like Jason Giambi really got the bad batch from them? And I guess Jeremy Giambi is the poster child for 'See, steroids really don't improve you if you suck already'.



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The DECA he admitted taking was a banned substance at the time. So was the clomid(and probably nolva), but that isn't as big a deal since it is only used to keep gains, not actually achieve them.
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I wasn't aware that there was ANY substance banned by MLB at the time. Cocaine and other hard drugs included.



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    Originally posted by jfkfc
      Originally posted by Whitebacon
      I'm not sure what kind of action MLB can take against him without incurring the wrath of the Player's Union. As far as him being taken seriously again? I doubt it, at least not as long as he's being paid as much as he is and continues to produce like he did the last two seasons.
    I am personally rooting for George's people to find something in Giambi's contract that would nullify it, or somehow else allow the Yankees to jettison him already. What a total and complete waste, because at this point, I would rather have Olerud as my everyday guy. It will be amazing (and not the good, tingly kind of amazing) if this guy, coming off of the fiasco that was "Giambi's 2004 season" and having now admitted this, will in any way be on the team in 2005 without SERIOUS damage control. I have heard five different people in my office so far today basically utter "Yankee" and "cheater" in the same sentence. Myself, I have rooted for him in the same way I ever rooted for Clemens, Kenny Rodgers, Charlie Hayes, Lofton, Sheffield, Strawberry, Gooden, and the veritable cornucopia of past and present Yankees that I couldn't stand before they donned pinstripes.

    Don't the Mets need a first baseman? Can we trade him there for Mo Vaughn and Piazza? Hell, how about Denny Neagle? Chan Ho Park? ANY Joe Blow Albatross Contract Guy?

    Something tells me that opening day will see Giambi in the 3 hole and Pedro Martinez on the mound. Excuse me while I vomit.


I can understand why you want him gone, but I don't see it happening. If I'm the players union, I tell George that, hey, he put Giambi through a physical before signing him. He was free to ask for a drug test. You can't tell me the Yankees didn't have some inkling that he might be on the gas. If casual fans have their suspicions, and the news media has leaks, then what kind of rumors and information do the owners and GMs have access to? They really shouldn't be able to void this contract; the Yanks were, in a sense, complicit. (Though it should be noted that the team I root for also employed a juiced-up Giambi, to our eternal shame.)

And ain't nobody gonna take that man and/or that contract now.



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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.23
Whitebacon, I didn't mean necessarily banned by MLB, but they are certainly illegal to have without a script.
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I imagine then that part of his immunity for testifying includes not being able to be prosecuted for what he said on the stand.



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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
    Originally posted by ShotGunShep
    The DECA he admitted taking was a banned substance at the time. So was the clomid(and probably nolva), but that isn't as big a deal since it is only used to keep gains, not actually achieve them.


Clomid? Isn't that a fertility drug used by women to stimulate the production of eggs? Why would a man take it?

Does it mask steroid use?




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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.28
    Originally posted by Zeruel
    Clomid? Isn't that a fertility drug used by women to stimulate the production of eggs? Why would a man take it?

    Does it mask steroid use?


Women use it for fertility, but a form of it is used in men who can't produce sperm.

It's used by men as a testosterone stimulant. It's used when the person gets off of the steroids (during whatever steroid schedule, I suppose) and the body isn't producing testosterone anymore (because of the steroids). Clomid gets the levels back to normal, or at least kickstarts the body into producing testosterone, until the steroid ingesting cycle starts again.
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There's a Newsday article that rips Giambi a new one while filling in new details.

I'm not sure how I feel about some of this stuff being reported; if Giambi out partying when the A's were up 2-0 wasn't in the paper then because it was considered off-limits or whatever, should it be reported now? (Actually, I think I have more of a problem with it not being reported previously.)



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Upon hearing Giambi admitted to taking steroids, I felt much the same way as when I heard Ellen Degeneris was a lesbian. An overwhelming "NO SHIT SHERLOCK".



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On the New York media attempting to run Giambi out of town: That is fine, but why isn't Gary Sheffield on the cover of the www.nypost.com? Oh yeah, he had a great season, so his transgressions can be overlooked, but Giambi turned into a bust, so he must be run out of town. As for the Pride of the Yankees argument, that sort of lost some validity involving drug users when Howe, Gooden, Canseco and Strawberry had their runs in the Bronx. I don't remember the Doc Must Go headlines after Gooden through a no-no in '96.



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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.43
    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    On the New York media attempting to run Giambi out of town: That is fine, but why isn't Gary Sheffield on the cover of the www.nypost.com? Oh yeah, he had a great season, so his transgressions can be overlooked, but Giambi turned into a bust, so he must be run out of town. As for the Pride of the Yankees argument, that sort of lost some validity involving drug users when Howe, Gooden, Canseco and Strawberry had their runs in the Bronx. I don't remember the Doc Must Go headlines after Gooden through a no-no in '96.
I don't remember any of those guys taking performance-enhancing drugs. The whole steroids thing to me is that its cheating, trying to gain an edge, not an addiction thing. Please don't think I am condoning their acts, or cannonizing any of them, and if I come off that way, I apologize. Although I never cared for Howe, and anyone I remember talking to, truly believed that it would be a matter of time with any of them getting back into trouble. I think even with those guys preceding Giambi, every move they made was dissected by the NY media, every flaw was trumpeted, and every fall from grace was blared in print and on TV and radio. Whereas I haven't seen the "GET SHEFF OUT OF TOWN" headlines yet, I do agree that if he had a shit season, a la Giambi, the media seems fickle enough that we would have seen them indeed.

And by the way, thanks a load for reminding me that Canseco was a Yankee. I was beginning to blot that out, him and Danny Tartabull.



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Well, Canseco has admitted to using steroids (I think).



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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.42
    Originally posted by Whitebacon
    Well, Canseco has admitted to using steroids (I think).


It's why he went to prison (it was found in his system, not on his person, at least according to him).
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