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I have all kinds of issues with all of this.

First, well, I certainly don't expect President Trump to act like a "regular" president - that is why he was elected because people were tired of the regular ones. They wanted a non politician in there. So he said something, maybe even did somethings that didn't fall in with regular. I am ok with that.

Wish I could figure out what they were. CNN's coverage is simply terrible. Quotes with no context. We hear about "That thing" but don't know what it was.

Let's see what Fox has

we find out Comey specifically leaked things on purpose. Ok. Isn't that actually against the law. Cuff Him

but really almost nothing here as well - is this as much of a non-story as I read it to be? If Fox and CNN cannot even find content let's move on



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Well, obstruction of justice has more to do with intent. The intent was Trump wanted the Flynn matter and Russia to go away. I also don't buy this bullshit, that Trump is not a regular President. Yeah, but he is a New Yorker and knows what a shakedown is. This was a shakedown. If he can't act like a President then he shouldn't be President. Senator Kamal nailed it best with the robber saying I hope you give me your money. That is the picture Comey painted and that is what it is.

Comey wrote the memo particularly, so it wouldn't be classified thus it could be leaked. There is nothing wrong with that. It was smart. If anything it proves Comey was the smartest guy in the room where ever Trump and probably the most of the Cabinet was in.

This GOP talking point about how nothing is there or what about her emails is total Bullshit. He continually did not want to talk about the ongoing investigation in which cabinet members are targeted. That would be terrible. Hopefully, we can get to the bottom of this, but since we under One Party Rule, I doubt it. Its a shit day when the FBI director had to be fired, because of an ongoing investigation that the President didn't want to have due to his ties tie to one of our greatest enemies.

McCain should resign now. He looked like a lost patient in a nursing home.

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    Originally posted by AWArulz

    First, well, I certainly don't expect President Trump to act like a "regular" president - that is why he was elected because people were tired of the regular ones. They wanted a non politician in there. So he said something, maybe even did somethings that didn't fall in with regular. I am ok with that.


I don't mean to pick on you AWArulz, but I'm really tired of people using this as an excuse whenever Trump does something questionable. Whether it's using Twitter as his own bully pulpit or seemingly pissing off a number of world leaders (many of whom we count as allies) within the first four months of his presidency, I don't like the excuse that either "well, he's still new to this" (as Paul Ryan put out today) or "he tells is like it is, unlike usual politicians." Granted, I didn't vote for Trump, so maybe this plays to his constituency. But I personally find it all to be unbecoming of someone who holds the Highest Office in the Land. I get that you're speaking particularly of his handling of the Comey situation that the former FBI director spoke about today, but I wanted to use your comment to speak more generally.


    Wish I could figure out what they were. CNN's coverage is simply terrible. Quotes with no context. We hear about "That thing" but don't know what it was.


To be fair, "that thing" was mentioned in Comey's written statement released yesterday, and even he didn't seem to know what that was about (since it was said by Trump). I don't know if we can blame the CNNs of the world for not knowing, either.


    we find out Comey specifically leaked things on purpose. Ok. Isn't that actually against the law. Cuff Him


I rotated between all three major news networks' coverage of Comey's testimony (How I Spent My Summer Break), and from what I gleaned, (1) Comey was a private citizen at the time he released the document, and (2) The document featured no confidential nor privileged information. Now, I know you have a background in law enforcement, so maybe you know better than I do about the legality of releasing such a document. But from what I can tell, this is a gray area at best, certainly not a situation where "Cuff Him" in caps is necessarily the appropriate first response. Now, was it a wise move for Comey to do this? I think that can be debated, and I'm not sure he should've done it even if it were legal.


    but really almost nothing here as well - is this as much of a non-story as I read it to be? If Fox and CNN cannot even find content let's move on


I don't think many people (who were paying attention) were expecting a smoking gun from the Comey testimony. What this is, however, is evidence released to the public that the sitting FBI Director was uncomfortable being in the same room alone with the President of the United States, to the point he felt compelled to document every interaction with the President thereafter. Criminal? Not in and of itself, but certainly a curious point.

However, everything that occurred today falls under the umbrella of Robert Mueller being appointed special counsel to investigate not only Russia hacking our elections, but what if any part the Trump team (not necessarily Trump himself) played in that. Due to that connection, I find it difficult to say "let's move on" from this situation when in the larger picture, we're talking about Russia attacks on our democracy. Comey's testimony today is one of the few (only?) public comments we'll get from someone who was that high up on the food chain as Mueller's investigation progresses behind the scenes.


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Trump lying shouldn't be news at this point. Trump has lied for decades. Trump hires people to do work for him, then doesn't pay them for it and forces them to due him for compensation. Trump is an immoral human being. That should be well established.

The situation here, to try to cut through whatever CNN and Fox are saying, is that Trump went to FBI director Comey with the intent of getting him to back off from his investigation into Flynn about Russian ties. In his own words, Trump "hoped that the investigation into Flynn would be dropped". He said that to Comey while they were alone. Comey viewed that as a direction, an order, and it wasn't something he was going to do. On learning that Comey wasn't actually going to do it, Trump eventually wound up firing Comey, outright saying afterwards that he was fired to try to stop the investigation into Russian ties. And, well, that's not a good thing. Like with Watergate, the cover-up was worse than the crime.

The main issue, and what people are brushing past in their attempts to either pin down Trump or find something in Comey to attack, is Comey's statement that Russia unequivocally meddled with and influenced the 2016 election. There was "no doubt" that they did, in his words and with his experience with the FBI investigation. Whether you're a supporter of Trump or not, the thought that Russia is interfering in American elections should be a huge red flag, something that needs to be investigated and prevented at all costs. Instead that's being shoved into the background by the media and the various partisans, some of whom you'd think would have no problem with Russia influencing and controlling America as long as it meant their opponents were losers.
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If Trump thought Russia was a threat which according to Comey's testimony, he never asked how to stop it, he would have a Seal Team Six plan for him. Honestly, there should plans for people like him. Trump wanted to know who was involved, so he can either get them off the hook or warn them ahead of time.



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so as someone who wouldn't have voted for Clinton if she was the only one running, she killed her own election. But if anyone helped it was Comey. and he should have been fired day one by President Trump. Still don't quite understand why he didn't.

Was he fired to stop the russia investigation? Maybe. I find it kind of funny that you say trump lies all the time but when he said he fired Comey because of the investigation, that must be absolute truth. A good executive lets someone go quietly - but I think the President is still trying to find that difference between being a candidate and being a President. I don't care for that much either. But I have to go the the Assistant AG's assessment of the firing - because of the screwup in the Clinton affair. I feel like the President still feels he has to play to his base, and I think he has fallen in love with Twitter too much and that's where that come from. I don't know who can stop him - Ivanka or her hubby or Melania or who - but my one thing for him would be take away the twitter at least until the next election.

Geemoney - with regard to the "leak" as a private citizen - ok, perhaps that wasn't criminal. That one was him just being a jilted lover. The one back during the Clinton Campaign was for sure. and my background in law enforement hardly extends to that kind of crime anyway. The guy didn't run a red light or shoplift a snickers.



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I'm embarrassed to say I agree with Lotjx on one count: McCain should resign. But I have been saying that for about 15 years.



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Trump lied initially about why he fired Comey. He stated it was because of the Hillary campaign. Then, he said to the Russian Ambassador he fired him over Russia. So, yes Trump lies all the time. Trump not asking about how to stop Russia should be disturbing to everyone. We cannot have a President that lies all the time while being very cozy with an enemy that is broke and destabilizing the planet, so they can make giant moves across the border.

Russia already has a foot hold in Syria and is making problems in the Middle East. They are creeping back into Europe. They are also making moves with Korea as well. They have also neutered America by helping someone who has close ties to them to be President.

Comey did nothing wrong with leaking the memo. It was not classified information. Playing Comey as this mad leaker is really misreading the entire situation. We have a President who is covering up his crime by firing people who can stop him and replacing him with his people. This is what dictators do.

My problem with McCain is he says all this shit about Russia being a big deal in the press then talks about Clinton's email. He looked awful out there yesterday. I really believe the GOP is terrified they cannot keep his seat if he retires due the changing demographics in Arizona. I understand the narrative he stayed up too late to watch Game 3. I watched the game, but realized I had work in the morning and went to bed. Plus, the hearing happened at 10 am and the game was over at midnight. That makes zero sense to me.

At the end of the day, there is more than smoke to this thing with Trump. He can say he is vindicated or whatever. However, Mueller is not going to be swayed by Trump and there seemed to be investigations going on with everyone around Trump. So, this is not over.



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    Originally posted by AWArulz
    Was he fired to stop the russia investigation? Maybe. I find it kind of funny that you say trump lies all the time but when he said he fired Comey because of the investigation, that must be absolute truth. A good executive lets someone go quietly - but I think the President is still trying to find that difference between being a candidate and being a President. I don't care for that much either. But I have to go the the Assistant AG's assessment of the firing - because of the screwup in the Clinton affair.


That's where it's important for observers to try to use context. If Comey was fired due to the Clinton affair, he would have been fired immediately when Trump took power. Instead, Trump not only didn't fire him but praised his work, both publicly and privately. A reversal on that months later is an obvious lie. And you have to realize that you saying "Trump lies all the time, surely he was lying about firing him due to Russia" isn't the kind of defense you should be using. "My guy lies. Yay my guy!"

And the Assistant AG's assessment is another red flag that's come out of this. Rosenstein had access to Comey's memos, the information that Comey was keeping about these many meetings with Trump. Rosenstein knew that Comey was concerned about Trump's expectations, that Comey was supposed to be loyal to Trump ahead of America and that he was being asked (hoped) to stop certain investigations. Knowing that, Rosenstein (along with the supposedly recused Sessions) still recommended to fire him anyway. What is that if not a red flag? People can argue that Trump didn't know that firing Comey would make the situation look much worse, because Trump is an idiot, but how does Rosenstein not realize that? What kind of conclusion are we expected to draw from that?

And all the while, we have Russia still giggling to itself that it was able to meddle in the election, while the current administration is falling over itself having meetings with Russia where American media is banned from attendance but Russian media can stay, and is trying to lift the sanctions levied on Russia for both election interference and the invasion of Crimea to the alarm of everyone in the Pentagon. And this is being underreported because of covfefe and sore loser liberals.
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Not to keep this thread going if no one else wants to comment on it anymore, but here's an article that sums up my concerns pretty well.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2017/06/10/i-was-an-fbi-agent-trumps-lack-of-concern-about-russian-hacking-shocks-me/?utm_term=.6e3240a5d701

Trump may very well be innocent and have not colluded with Russia. But there's definitely crooked things going on around him, at the least, and for the sake of America he needs to try to find out what they are rather than covering them up. For him to act the way he is now is very damaging for the public's confidence in the American political system... which, coincidentally, is exactly what Russia wants.
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How can Trump obstruct justice when Coney told him he was not being investigated? (I barely follow politics these days, was just glad Hillary Rodham Clinton didn't get elected andbthats about alibi cared about)
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Trump wasn't being investigated at the time personally, but people within his campaign and his administration were, and are. Trump can still obstruct justice even if he's not the direct target of the investigation by trying to protect his friends like Flynn, Manafort or whoever else. And he can obstruct justice even if he himself isn't actively colluding with Russia.

But as I've been saying, the fact that Trump would go to FBI director Comey and say "Hey, I hope you can find a way to get Flynn off the hook", and to go to FBI director Comey and say "Hey, I need you to pledge your loyalty to me", but to never go to FBI director Comey and say "Hey, so what can we do to keep the Russians from interfering in our elections again" is a bit of a red flag, to say the least. And if Trump wasn't under investigation at the time he asked (and didn't ask) those things, he likely wound up under investigation after those meetings had happened and it was clear where his priorities were.
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