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Since: 10.12.01
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Surely most people had given up on the game by then, but if you stuck around long enough on Monday Night Football, you were treated to a spectacularly unenthusiastic promo by Mike Turico for next week's game: Chargers at Jaguars. "We'll get to play the TPC!" Can't really blame him. But at least now they'll have something to talk about for 3 hours:

    Originally posted by ESPN
    Jack Del Rio has been fired as the coach of the Jacksonville Jaguars, team sources told ESPN senior NFL analyst Chris Mortensen.

    ...

    Weaver retained Del Rio after last season when Jacksonville finished 8-8, but made it clear that the coach needed to reach the postseason in 2011 to keep his job.


It felt like it was about time for that one, just maybe a bit strange they did it during the season. Until you keep reading...


    In addition, the Jaguars are in the process of being sold, a sources familiar with situation told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter and Mortensen. Jaguars owner Wayne Weaver will announce the sale during Tuesday's news conference. The league will need to approve the sale of the team and the purchaser is unknown. The plan is for the team to remain in Jacksonville.


Yea, but plans change. Jaguars have been one of those teams being rumored to go to Los Angeles for years. There are LA stadium plans, but no one's put a shovel in the ground yet. Even if the intention was to go LA in 2014, the owner can't declare that yet. He could say his plans are to stay in Jacksonville, survive a(nother) year of bad attendance (for what will probably be a bad team), and use that as fuel for a move. That's something that definitely could happen. It's definitely something that could be talked about for 90 minutes of a football game Monday night.

(The GM was extended for 3 more years. Not sure how that works.)

Maybe ESPN will get really lucky and the other coach will get fired too?

(edited by thecubsfan on 29.11.11 1022)


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Jacksonville's lease is pretty solid. The only way to get out of it before 2030 is to either convince a judge that the stadium is not being properly maintained or for the Jaguars to lose money three years in a row (which is nigh-impossible in today's NFL).

Also, the new Jacksonville owner is Shahid Khan, who tried to buy St. Louis last year before Vince McMahon's best friend Stan Kroenke excerised a purchase option.



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Not surprising RE: Del Rio. I liked him, but was at peace with letting him go after last season. It's especially necessary if what Pete Prisco is reporting in his column on sportsline.com is true (Del Rio losing his passion for being head coach, arriving late to the building and drawing the ire of assistants). The only reason I thought he'd ride out the year was that Jax doesn't really have an assistant who I saw as even an interim head coach. Mel Tucker is not a terrible choice, but he wasn't even allowed to call plays on defense last year.

Sad to hear about Wayne Weaver selling the team. He was a class act all the way, good for the Jaguars and the community. It does worry me about them moving since they weren't going to move as long as he was owner (IMO), but I'll give the new owners the benefit of the doubt, sight unseen. Jacksonville certainly isn't the only team that's a candidate for LA.

I don't mind Gene Smith getting an extension as GM. I think he's a good one as he's still trying to work with some of the problems he inherited from Shack Harris's regime. Part of the reason the Jaguars still aren't good is the number of high draft picks Harris missed on. The core of the defense is solid as even with the free agent additions in the offseason, I didn't see them being this good. They've got MJD and what could be a decent O-Line if everyone stays healthy. They just need Gabbert to take the next step (hopefully he'll get there with a full offseason of work) and some playmaking receivers. Or any good receivers. Or decent ones.



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You should probably do a little better research there cubsfan, as the Jags attendance woes are highly overhyped. There hasn't been a blackout in almost 2 years and there are many other teams with worse ticket sale issues. While the product on the field is pretty mediocre to bad this year that's no reason to just assume it'll be the same next year.

Also, the Jags are locked into a pretty concrete lease here in the city and it's well documented that they aren't going anywhere anytime soon. Even a casual google search or even ESPN check would have told you that before you just decided to jump on the bandwagon that Jacksonville just HAS to be the team to move to LA the media loves to spew out every now and then regardless of it being true or not.

But hey, it's a small market team that a lot of people don't know much about so why not just go with the little that is reported about it rather than to actually take the time to find out the facts?



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    Originally posted by HrdCoreJoe
    There hasn't been a blackout in almost 2 years...But hey, it's a small market team that a lot of people don't know much about so why not just go with the little that is reported about it rather than to actually take the time to find out the facts?


They tarp off huge sections of the upper deck and those closed off seats (which have to remain off limits for the entire season, even if they make the playoffs) do not count for the blackout rule.

The blackout rule only cares about unsold seats and those seats were never up for sale anyway.

As Cubs alluded to, they have "bad attendance" because they can not sell every single seat in the stadium.



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Research: So far this year, Jacksonville is 25th in the league in home game attendence in terms of percentage of capcity (92.6%). It's a good rebound from 2011 and it's probably affected by the depressing team in teal, but you have to go back to 2008 to get them in the top half of the league. And, if a new owner who has no previous ties to Jacksonville, wants to deflate that number, they can just take those tarps off the stadium, add 10,000 to the seating total, and complain when people don't turn out.

I am not rooting for you to lose your team. I have no particular interest in seeing LA get a team; they had two, they didn't have much interest in either of them, and I'm not really sure that'd change with another try. The people who talk about bringing a team talk about it like it's a yacht they're showing off, not that they ever want to sail. Still, if you're owning a team to make money, you can make a lot more money by being in LA, and your franchise value is going to value up.

The lease is a problem, though enough lawyers can usually find a way out of those if they have to. Maybe a better sign is the new owner seems motivated to buy a football team because he really likes football, not because he's looking to trying to make a quick buck.



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I'll go so far as to say that while they may not, the Jaguars should move. If there isn't a strong enough fanbase to fill the stadium for the team when college games played there can fill it even without the tarps, there's no reason for them to stick around. If Wayne Weaver, the guy who busted his ass to get a team in Jacksonville, is selling out, there's no reason for them to stick around. Ship them to LA and move Kansas City to the AFC South, or just send them to Oklahoma City and not worry about shuffling your divisions.



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If anyone was upset about Tim Tebow's "emergence," it had to be Wayne Weaver. Weaver must've been dreaming about sold-out crowds in AllTel watching local boy Tebow lead the Jaguars to close victories.



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The rumors around here is that Kronke moves the Rams back to LA, and the Jags come to St Louis.
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    Originally posted by Big Bad
    If anyone was upset about Tim Tebow's "emergence," it had to be Wayne Weaver. Weaver must've been dreaming about sold-out crowds in AllTel watching local boy Tebow lead the Jaguars to close victories.


Speaking of this, former NFL coach Herm Edwards had an interesting fantasy NFL booking opinion on ESPN's Sportscenter today that was intriguing. Basically, if Indy is going to get Andrew Luck, they trade Peyton Manning to Denver. After this, Denver then trades Tim Tebow to Jacksonville. This way everybody "wins" in his words.



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