I definitely agree with leggo on one point: Booker losing to the Undertaker is hardly going to destroy his credibility. People said the same thing when the Undertaker beat John Cena at Vengeance last year.
The Undertaker is insanely over, and Booker managed to spend a large part of the match on offense. If anything, this win (and the way Cole and Tazz were selling it) could help Booker's credibility if he went into a feud with Eddie.
Just remember, losing manfully to the Undertaker was supposed ro kill Cena's heat and credibility and send him forever to the midcard and it didn't. So just wait and see how the crowd react if Booker is the next challenger to Eddie: I am pretty sure they won't say "hey, he lost to the Undertaker, what a jobber".
Call me ignorant or whatever, but i've always wondered where the blood came from in wrestling. I always thought they carried with them packets of blood in their shorts or trunks and popped it open on their head. Do they really cut themselves open?
Cena's still in the midcard. Yeah, jobbing to Taker didn't kill his career, but Cena was able to turn face, receive a nice little push, and be "protected". Book is supposedly getting the Papa Shango gimmick. He can probably pull the gimmick off, but nobody will take him seriously as an upper level heel. Also - Cena jobbing to Taker was at least a year ago, while Book jobbing is still fresh in the minds of the fans.
If anything, this win (and the way Cole and Tazz were selling it) could help Booker's credibility if he went into a feud with Eddie.
So just wait and see how the crowd react if Booker is the next challenger to Eddie: I am pretty sure they won't say "hey, he lost to the Undertaker, what a jobber".
Beating a legendary fan favorite would do a hell of a lot more for Book's credibility (even if the win was cheap) than jobbing to him (even if he put up a fight - that does more for faces than heels in defeat).
"Wow, Booker beat Taker! Man, Eddie could be in for trouble here."
-vs.-
"Well, Booker couldn't beat Taker, so I doubt he can beat Eddie for the title."
Beating Taker would be win/win - Taker wouldn't be hurt at all, plus Book gets ME-level credibility at a time when SD desperately needs top-level heels.
I came very close to not buying this ppv, because going in I was not thrilled with the card at all. I finally relented at the last minute, and frankly, I enjoyed it. Sure, there were some things I thought were boring, and not every match ended in what I thought was the "right" way, but the bottom line is that I was entertained, and being entertained is why watch wrestling. If I wasn't, I wouldn't watch. I agree that Smackdown is the weaker of the two shows right now, but I still think that this was a step in the right direction (Mordecai notwithstanding).
Originally posted by mumsboyCall me ignorant or whatever, but i've always wondered where the blood came from in wrestling. I always thought they carried with them packets of blood in their shorts or trunks and popped it open on their head. Do they really cut themselves open?
Yes.
On a rare occasion (For internal bleeding gimmicks), they bite a condom of fake blood in their mouth for that sort of thing. Otherwise, it's usually a small piece of a razor blade that they conceal in their wristband. Most wrestlers cut along a wrinkle in their forehead, while some (HBK for one) usually cut right along the hairline.
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Originally posted by mumsboyCall me ignorant or whatever, but i've always wondered where the blood came from in wrestling. I always thought they carried with them packets of blood in their shorts or trunks and popped it open on their head. Do they really cut themselves open?
Usually. It's called "blading" because the ref usually carries a small razor blade in his pocket. The wrestler usually cuts themselves along the base of their hairline.
Originally posted by Mr Heel IICena/Dupree was alright, but my wife brought up a point about Dupree...How can he be legally drinking wine in those Cafe segments if he's only the announcer claimed age of 20?
Probably in the same manner that Steve Austin could drink 50 beers even though his probation forbid him from consuming alcohol.
Originally posted by Freeway420It seems like blading is a way to make a crappy, forgettable match somewhat memorable: "Hey, that fella's bloody! Cool!" The last time I can remember a blade job reeking of awesomeness was probably Royal Rumble 2000. Triple H got shitkicked by Cactus Jack and barely got out of MSG with the title. That single match basically made main event HHH due to the fact that he beat the insanely violent Cactus Jack at his own game.
Ah, yes, good times. Actually, I remember at Fully Loaded the same year when he bled a lot in his match with Y2J. Also, good stuff. The match, that is. I actually didn't see much of the JD, but judging from the recaps and Eddie's pic (ewww...), I guess I'm pretty fortunate. Missing Smackdown for two months due to my job, and forgetting there's even a PPV this week can do that to you.
So, Jibble's (JBL) not out yet? Good for him. Rene Dupree as you may remember is one of my new faves. I read about what he said on Smackdown, and instead of shooting the messenger, I'll instead slap the person who wrote that. That line about the prisoners was SO unnecessary. I'll forgive Renee if he stops trying to look like Dolph Lundgren. And, this pains me to say it, but I have to. These are four words that no one who truly loves wrestling really wants to say...Mr Angle is boring. :sob: I'm sorry, Kurt.
One more thing, for all you guys who complain about HHH's winning streak. Vanilla Torrie is in that ballpark now. She hasn't lost a damn thing in....I don't know, the day she kissed Mr. McMahon?! Let's complain about her for a change. At least Hunter has actual CHARISMA AND WRESTLING EXPERIENCE!
Yeah, sounds like $35 well spent to me.
After a quarter of a century on this planet, there's three things I know for sure... 1)Ain't nothing like a Dirty Pair marathon on New Year's Eve. 2)I'd make a fine Mrs. HHH II. 3) I'd make an acceptable Mrs. Orton. 1400 reasons to luv me!
Originally posted by RingmistressOne more thing, for all you guys who complain about HHH's winning streak. Vanilla Torrie is in that ballpark now. She hasn't lost a damn thing in....I don't know, the day she kissed Mr. McMahon?! Let's complain about her for a change. At least Hunter has actual CHARISMA AND WRESTLING EXPERIENCE!
Amen, sister. I've been complaining about her since her win streak became evident. Dammit, woman, ever since you became a Playboy fashion model, you're too high and mighty to job anymore?! C'mon! Look at Triple H! He jobbed to Shelton Benjamin TWICE! Your last two matches aginst Dawn Marie have been a no-contest and a victory for you, respectively. Why do you think you're given names like "Torrieberg"? In your last big angle, you had to be carried by Dawn Marie and your father Al! Your wrestling ability sucks, your acting is horrible, and if I ever see you on my TV again, it'll be too soon! I hate you I hate you I HATE YOU TORRIE WILSON!!!!!!!!1!!!11!
Torrie Wilson is the Harlem Globetrotters of women's wrestling. It doesn't matter how much better than her her opponants are, her unlikely offence always works. Always. Want to enjoy a Torrie Wilson match? Whistle the Globetrotters theme while the match is going on.
Originally posted by Freeway420 It seems like blading is a way to make a crappy, forgettable match somewhat memorable: "Hey, that fella's bloody! Cool!" The last time I can remember a blade job reeking of awesomeness was probably Royal Rumble 2000. Triple H got shitkicked by Cactus Jack and barely got out of MSG with the title. That single match basically made main event HHH due to the fact that he beat the insanely violent Cactus Jack at his own game.
Although you could also include Randy Orton taking a a page from the Royal Rumble 2000 template, which worked this time as well, which wasn't just blading for the sake of blading. As opposed to Mania with Shawn Michaels, while admittedly that was impressive, that match wouldn't have lost a shred of its awesomeness had he and/or HHH chose not to do it.
Originally posted by RingmistressOne more thing, for all you guys who complain about HHH's winning streak. Vanilla Torrie is in that ballpark now. She hasn't lost a damn thing in....I don't know, the day she kissed Mr. McMahon?! Let's complain about her for a change. At least Hunter has actual CHARISMA AND WRESTLING EXPERIENCE!
Amen, sister. I've been complaining about her since her win streak became evident. Dammit, woman, ever since you became a Playboy fashion model, you're too high and mighty to job anymore?! C'mon! Look at Triple H! He jobbed to Shelton Benjamin TWICE! Your last two matches aginst Dawn Marie have been a no-contest and a victory for you, respectively. Why do you think you're given names like "Torrieberg"? In your last big angle, you had to be carried by Dawn Marie and your father Al! Your wrestling ability sucks, your acting is horrible, and if I ever see you on my TV again, it'll be too soon! I hate you I hate you I HATE YOU TORRIE WILSON!!!!!!!!1!!!11!
There. I'm so glad I got that off my chest.
I'll grant you that Torrie Wilson is the bimbo division killer. But comparing her to HHH? When she main-events every pay-per-view, starts a stable called "Silicone" and gets 30 minutes of promo time every show, THEN I'll hate her.
(That said, 2004 HHH has been lots of fun, so I can't dredge up the old bitterness, like I used to..)
-- Asteroid Boy
Wiener of the day: 23.7.02, 3.12.03
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"My brother saw the Undertaker walking through an airport." - Rex "Was he no-selling?" - Me
Re: my earlier comments about Booker T-Undertaker, there's no reason Book should NOT have received the win last night. He is the biggest heel on the roster right now, and they could have kept him in the mix against Cena, Guerrero, etc. based on that "rare" win against Taker. Even if he DOES undergo this ridiculous gimmick change, they could have found another way to trigger it. Hell, have Taker attack him after the match if you want.
Put another way, there was no reason for Undertaker to win this one. None at all. So Booker T joins the thousands that have had to job to The Dead Man over the past decade. Big deal.
Oh, and to Dave Gagnon: I meant to say worst *WWE* PPV ever. Oops....
Originally posted by CANADIAN BULLDOGI meant to say worst *WWE* PPV ever. Oops....
Good Lord, not even close. We've had worse WWE PPVs in the last *twelve months* (Unforgiven, I'm looking at YOU), let alone King Of The Ring '95, King Of The Ring '99, Rock Bottom, D-Generation X, last year's Backlash....This had a *** opener, a fun Cena/Dupree match, and one Heckuva main event. I still wouldn't have paid for it if I hadn't got it for free, but I'm in no way sorry I watched it, which puts it a step above some of the dung I've seen passing for pay-per-views in the past decade or so.
Once upon a time in China, some believe, around the year one double-ought three, head priest of the White Lotus Clan, Pai Mei was walking down the road, contemplating whatever it is that a man of Pai Mei's infinite power contemplates - which is another way of saying "who knows" - when a Shaolin monk appeared, traveling in the opposite direction. As the monk and the priest crossed paths, Pai Mei, in a practically unfathomable display of generosity, gave the monk the slightest of nods. The nod was not returned. Now was it the intention of the Shaolin monk to insult Pai Mei or did he just fail to see the generous social gesture? The motives of the monk remain unknown. What is known, are the consequences. The next morning Pai Mei appeared at the Shaolin Temple and demanded of the Temple's head abbot that he offer Pai Mei his neck to repay the insult. The Abbot at first tried to console Pai Mei, only to find Pai Mei was inconsolable. So began the massacre of the Shaolin Temple and all 60 of the monks inside at the fists of the White Lotus. And so began the legend of Pai Mei's five point palm exploding heart technique.
Well, as shitty as it may have played out on TV, I had a blast at Judgment Day!!
First off, the building was legit sold out. No tarps, no empty seats once the event got going. It just took forever to get in.
If Cena is over in LA, than Eddie is the Beatles in LA. They went ape shit for him.
His blade job was pretty damn ugly. He went all New Jack on Eric Kulas (rip) on himself. I've seen the Kulas video, and Eddies gusher is AS BAD if not worse. It kept coming and coming and coming. There was so much blood that the entire ring and the mats were covered.
After the show Charles Robinson was on blood duty. He had to clean it all up.
Needless to say, during the main event, Eddie -blood and all- fell on my "Shmoz" sign, so now the sign is covered in Eddie blood. It's either really cool, or really gross depending on who you ask. I think its cool. There as Eddie blood all over the rail and all over my arm, as well as the kid next to me's cheek. They gave us towels to wipe it off....Fitting that the bloody shmoz sign made its appearance during the "shmoz" of a main event. I wonder if I could sell it on ebay? Hmmmm.
Without the blood, that match sucks. There was blood.
The rest of the card was kind of, well I dont need to tell you if you watched it. I was having more fun holding up signs and doing stupid dances than watching most of the "action" in the ring.
Quickly - Torrie is pretty hot...Kurt's heel promo was good -but we all knocked wood after he wished an earthquake upon us...Bradshaws promo was awesome - very 80's NWA... Cena's rap was dreck, After the Cena match he went into the crowd about 10 rows up in the lowers and gave away his James Worthy shirt...I had Eddies shirt ripped out of my hand by Fake Stone Cold's buddy...Rey Rey's double 619 was fun...We got WM21 ticket request forms...Paul Bearer was working the crowd on the floor, pretty funny stuff...
The signs I had were:
"DUD" which i got to use alot... "SHMOZ" see above "BOOKER SHANGO" nick patrick laughed "KISS ME RICO" he blew one to me, I'll never wash again "CHAVO CLASSIC IS GOD" " * * * * * " which never really should have been used
and finally
"Stu Fears CRZ" but then again, who doesn't? The funny thing is during the Jackie/Chavo match when I was holding up the CRZ sign a WWE tech guy came over and said that I couldn't hold that one up anymore. I said why and he said that nothing to do with .coms was allowed. So not only does STU fear CRZ, but WWE apparently does too.
People were claiming that Konnan was there, I didn't see him.
Pretty fun show to be at, don't know if i would feel the same if I had ordered it at home.
Booker T's been dead in the water for a year, if not longer. He's just not clicking as a heel, IMO. Toss on a shitty storyline where he gets to be Undertaker's bitch and he's in no position to headline.
They're going to do a gimmick rematch with Guerrero and JBL at The Great American Bash. That's a fitting blowoff to the feud as Guerrero is proven to be a "Great American" not Bradshaw. I hate the angle, I hate Bradshaw, but they've invested so much time into it they may as well blow it off big.
It looks from the TV that they're grooming Rob Van Dam as a heel challenger for Eddy in case Angle isn't ready to go by SummerSlam.
"Each race determines for itself what indecencies are. Nature knows no indecencies; man invents them." - Mark Twain
TMSTU: I've been a long time lurker here but I HAD to register to give ya major props on the signs. I wrote a review on Live Journal of the Judgement Day PPV and one of the things I mentioned was just how on point the signs were in the crowd. I laughed my ass off at "Booker Shango" and "Chavo Classic is God." The only other one that I truly **hearted** was "Rico and Haas: Best Friends Forever!" Nice job, dude!
Hey tsmstu...you we're one of the best things of the show. Great stuff...loved your Razor Ramon little dance after Mordecai did the Razor's edge. When abouts did Nick Patrick laugh at your sign...i should go back and take a look. When i saw the CRZ sign i thought you were from he board....and you are. I saw the tech guy walkin over to ya..i thought he'd take your ''dud'' sign. You have to get WM21 front row...we need someone in the front row to keep us entertained!
Anyway...it was an ok show, tag, us title, wwe title only good things. Bad Blood looks to be a good one.