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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.12
June 13: RAW's Bad Blood
June 27: Smackdown's Great American Bash
July 11: Vengeance (probably RAW)
August 15: SummerSlam
September 12: Unforgiven (RAW?)
October 3: Smackdown's No Mercy
October 19 (That's a Tuesday): Unnamed RAW PPV
November 14: Survivor Series
December 12: Armageddon (Smackdown?)
January 30, 2005: Royal Rumble
February 20, 2005: No Way Out (RAW?)

My thoughts are that there's probably not gonna be 2 RAW (or Smackdown) exclusive PPVs in a row. So between now & SummerSlam (the half-way point for the year), we have 2 RAW shows and 1 more Smackdown show. And then between then and Mania, it's 3 RAW, 2 Smackdown and 2 co-brand shows.



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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.51
    Originally posted by CANADIAN BULLDOG
    In fact, the only thing redeemingly quality of the entire show was the entertaining antics and signs of ITR regular and Hollywood stand-out Stuart Stone (you may have seen his signs such as "Schmoz", "Stu Fears CRZ", "Booker Shango", "SWA", "DUD" and "*****").
He definitely gets "Spaz of the Night" honors. Especially for his little happy dances.

Eddie's blood spewing was just sick. It was like he hit a vein. Blood puddles everywhere. But they continued, and that's what made that match amazing. It was seriously hard to believe that Eddie COULD continue, let alone attempting frog splashes.

The rest of the show was pretty underwhelming. Cena/Dupree was alright, but my wife brought up a point about Dupree...How can he be legally drinking wine in those Cafe segments if he's only the announcer claimed age of 20?

I liked that they played up whether or not Haas would use Rico's runway as Haas teased whether he would or he wouldn't.

Mordecai was about as unimpressive as it gets. He looked like some gimmick that just walked off the county fair circuit.

Dawn Marie was wearing a thong under the torn pants. It was basically fishing line in the back, but there you go.

Chavo Classic was pretty funny playing with the lingerie backstage.

If RVD and Mysterio form a regular tag team, do they call it "Spotfest"?

Crappy show, but my homemade Mac and Cheese was AWESOME.
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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.90
I ordered the show at the last minute and this is definitely not the worst PPV ever (shame on you Canadian Bulldog! hehe).

The opener was pretty good, Dupree/Cena was a good match and the main event was good. Great atmosphere and the sickest bladejob I have ever seen. Better than Taker, in my view.

Not a thumbs up but not a bad way to kill 3 hours with friends.

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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.24
I'm glad I didn't get it, even if the main event was good. I am really getting tired of the blood. Every week someone leaks a gallon of red. It's really getting ridiculous, not to mention unhealthy. I can't even watch wrestling with a chick in the room. I'm sure that decision was made to hide Bradshaw's weaknesses, but even so, I am so sick of the constant blading. It's such a short-cut and it no longer means a thing.



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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.12
    Originally posted by CANADIAN BULLDOG
    For at least the second time in his WWE career, Booker T got seriously shafted by jobbing cleanly to The Undertaker. What was the point in losing to someone who will be making "rare" appearances?


But Bulldog, didn't Booker need a major loss tonight to be a catalyst for his impending character/gimmick change? If he'd won tonight, there would be no motivation for the change. Now, after a good trouncing by the Dead Man, he'll have all kinds of comeback/resurrection/revenge angles to propel his new voodoo schtick. If creative insists on handing him this gimmick, Booker had to lose tonight. In a way, they're using Taker to help rejuvinate (in their eyes anyway) Booker's character.



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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.12
It seems like blading is a way to make a crappy, forgettable match somewhat memorable: "Hey, that fella's bloody! Cool!" The last time I can remember a blade job reeking of awesomeness was probably Royal Rumble 2000. Triple H got shitkicked by Cactus Jack and barely got out of MSG with the title. That single match basically made main event HHH due to the fact that he beat the insanely violent Cactus Jack at his own game.



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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.24
    Originally posted by Freeway420
    It seems like blading is a way to make a crappy, forgettable match somewhat memorable: "Hey, that fella's bloody! Cool!" The last time I can remember a blade job reeking of awesomeness was probably Royal Rumble 2000. Triple H got shitkicked by Cactus Jack and barely got out of MSG with the title. That single match basically made main event HHH due to the fact that he beat the insanely violent Cactus Jack at his own game.


Yeah, and the fact that we hadn't seen blood so long before that made it meaningful. A bladejob once or twice a year MAKES matches matter and adds drama. A bladejob once or twice a week just risks hepatitis.



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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.00
I just watched the Main Event again, on the replay (my wife wanted to see it, being a big Eddie fan). These are my favorite moments:

Bradshaw's promo beforehand was so evil -- especially his "generous offer" to let Eddie's mom be his maid.

I didn't see Hebner's ref bump coming, which is always a good thing. I hate it when you can tell the the ref is arranging himself to be "in the way."

I really liked the way Bradshaw's chairshot to Eddie -- the one that busted him open -- was arranged. Bradshaw had been thrown behind the announce table, which forced the announcers away from their mics. This had two effects: one, Bradshaw popping up from behind the table and nailing Eddie with the chair was a complete surprise; and two, when we first saw Eddie pumping blood, the whole scene played out in silence -- pretty effective.

Eddie had a great comeback -- he was standing in the ring, at the end of his rope, looking like he'd been shot in the face, Bradshaw hitting him with forearms in the back -- and Eddie starts to do his little dance. That was one of those "Yeaaaah!" moments for me.

The DQ ending sucked, but afterward, the sight of a bloodied Bradshaw, on his knees, pleading for mercy from Eddie (from whom such mercy was not forthcoming) -- that was awesome.

So the Main Event worked for me. The rest of the show -- not so much.

The other thing I was looking forward to seeing was Mordecai's debut, and -- ech. Mordecai looks like if you took Taker and made all the dark parts white, and I'm sorry, but the sleeveless white mesh shirt fails to make me think, "ah--badass." Also, I read somewhere that his finisher at a house show was pretty cool, so I was disappointed when he used the Razor's Edge instead. I am amused that his entrance setup include a little holder at ringside for his druidic staff, though. That's nice.

In other news, I will not be able to ever take Luther Rains seriously as long as he keeps looking exactly like a gigantic Michael Cole.

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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.45
I've just got one thing to say:



Ew.




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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.61
"It seems like blading is a way to make a crappy, forgettable match somewhat memorable"

Or a great match even more dramatic -- Michaels at Survivor Series, Michaels at Wrestlemania, Michaels ... blades every day. Except Backlash, since they saved the blood for Foley/Orton, which made me miss the sight of crawling oozing bloody Michaels in the (still great) main event.


"The last time I can remember a blade job reeking of awesomeness was probably Royal Rumble 2000."

Your memory has a 4 year block. Nevertheless, I agree it's overused, especially when Hunter was having bad matches last year but cutting himself every month as a shortcut to getting some reaction.
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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.47
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Eddie was legit, really-truly, seriously damaged. The blood (& blood, & more pools of blood) were totally legit. I wasn't at the best angle, but I believe the deal was that, when we were supposed to have the chairshot in the corner with (expected) blade job, Bradshaw missed & bashed the chair truly across Eddie's nose. From that point in the match on, Eddie was working seriously, legitimately fucked up. That was way more blood than a blade job. Puddles. In the arena, we saw some shots of just how broken & trashed his nose was. There were puddles of blood everywhere. Even after the match, the slash across the bridge of his nose was still bleeding, & it was swollen like I can't explain. I was pretty far away, thinking "That's way too much blood". After y'all closed, the trainer was out, the *real* doctor was out, ref giving the X gesture, they brought the stretcher out, really. Pat was in the ring trying to talk Eddie down, as in "You really need to go to the hospital -- *now*", & Eddie wasn't wanting any part of being carried or stretchered off. They finally got him herded out toward the ramp, which he insisted on doing on his own (with a whole crew hovering around expecting him to pass out at any moment), & he *still* stopped at the ramp for an extra pose to the crowd. And he worked all the rest of the match that seriously, legitimately messed up.

Ooush. OK, what else? (Briefly, for now.) Hideous logistics problems getting people into the building -- I always thought LA people were blase' -- no, Staples Centre sucks. Having parked by 3:45, I *barely* made it into the building by the start of the first match (after 5:00). And they're going to have the next Wrestlemania???? Building I'm sure was a legit sellout (bodies up to the rafters), although there were some biiiig, significant clumps of unoccupied seats. (I assume scalpers.)

From my lofty perch in the skyboxes, Rob & Rey were quite fun, & was a good start.

Hilarious that Kurt's "dumpster" didn't seem to "elevate him" (( Name that paraphrase. )) quite on cue. And on the exit, it didn't quite go all the way down either, causing Kurt to have to duck down to try to maintain the effect. :-)

Y'know, the Lakers heat by Kurt & pops for Cena were pretty close to the biggest response for the night.
Don't mess with the Laker fans during the playoffs, unless you realllllly mean it.

Dawn/Torrie was too early for a potty break, even for those of us who didn't get a chance to get a beer on the way into the building. Dawn's "wardrobe malfunction" did get the interesting response though. Don't know how it all went on TV, but for much of the arena, it wasn't immediately obvious what-if-anything Dawn did have on underneath. I had binoculars, & it was a string/thong/thing, but you couldn't necessarily see that from much of the building.

Oh, Mordecai. He does not at all have the presence to pull off that kind of personna. Let me be his manager, & we'll see what we can work out. As is, not nearly strong enough. And on the same cast with the Undertaker??? "Ill-advised plan" is a nice phrase.

Chavo Classic playing with the (rather large, BTW) lingere -- excellent! :-)

Did y'all see Rico & Jackie nearly fall off the runway while posing? (I'll opt to blame Jackie. Just because. :-) ) And Charlie being conflicted about whether to cross the runway himself? This was really fun & really funny, although they let Mr Ass (Ahem.) & Bob get too much offence on Charlie. (Dammit.)

Chavito/Jackie wasn't bad. The appropriate use of "lie/cheat/steal" made it work out OK.

Pas Fifi?? Ou est la Fifi!?!?!??!

Cena's character was over, Dupree's character draws good heat. There was nothing inherently wrong with the match, technically fine. But for whatever reason, the match overall got really spotty reaction. (I'm thinking maybe bad placement in the line-up? *This* is where we needed our potty/concession-break match?)

How did the flaming pillars look on TV?? They were quite cool live, although they burned down a little quicker than they might have, & at least one side didn't catch properly. (There were little pyro-elves scurrying all over the place before that entrance.) Undertaker entrance, live, even from the skyboxes -- very cool. Did y'all get some explanation of the business toward the start of the match with the ref in & out of the ring? Or was that some sort of subtle signal to the back meaning "My freakin' earpiece isn't working!!" ? :-)

You've got to credit the E -- they've built an immense amount of heat on Bradshaw in the last month. And the Eddie chants are fabulous. It was weird that there didn't seem to be *as much* pop for Eddie's entrance as I expected (Cena in his Laker gear got a bigger pop-proper. I didn't have a good look at the car, but it looked like a convertible Rolls Roycs, that didn't even bounce!!), but the assorted "Ed-die" chants throughout were amazing. Not quite constant, but pretty damn close. Overall, I think the crowd like a happy-cocky Eddie better than an angry-hatefilled Eddie; but regardless, the crowd loves Eddie. And eats up any opportunity for Eddie to rally.

(Wasn't there something in Foley's first book about "the shower from Psycho"? That's what I was thinking before it became clear that it'd be the ER staff cleaning him up.)

It certainly wasn't any sort of technical classic match, but much, much bonus respect for getting on with the show, that much, that long.

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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.65
    Originally posted by Karlos the Jackal
    I didn't see Hebner's ref bump coming, which is always a good thing.


Oh man I totally did. And I'm not trying to be like, "oh yeah, I saw that shit comin', YAWN" because it was a good ref bump, really clever, but Hebner was hovering right around them, bouncing a little bit, getting ready to die, and I was just like, you gonna keep standing there Brian Hebner? Brian Hebner. Don't stand there. Brian - yeah. That's what you get stupid. The second ref bump was good too.

As for the show, I didn't like a single thing besides the main event. Cena/Dupree had a nice finish but prior to that they stunk. Undertaker/Booker was squash match crap. The opening tag was dull to me, but then I don't like three of the four people that were in it, and apparently the heel Dudleys incorporate more of Bubba Ray slapping people in the belly, and he's like, "HUH?!" Other than slapping and frowning, it was the same tired match they'd been having on Raw for a year.

Mordecai is absolutely retarded. He doesn't look intimidating or interesting or anything. His off-white mesh sleeveless top looks so stupid with his white white pants and white white boots. He didn't appear to be a TERRIBLE wrestler, but I guess it would be hard to appear to be terrible doing nothing but offense against Scotty 2 Hotty.

But I liked the main event a lot. I kinda knew that it was going to exceed expectations a ton as soon as it was just a brawl around the ring to start. They did their job, covered Bradshaw's weaknesses, and in turn he gave a fine performance. I've thought what I've seen of the JBL character has been largely well-executed, and this was easily the best performance of his career, so if they're going to go another PPV with this on top, then I'd say they both earned it. Eddie was like some mythical warrior in the match, and strengthened his position as the champion, while Bradshaw was such a good heel in the match that he strengthened his position as a challenger. I don't know if the match could've been better than that given what they set out to do.



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#33 Posted on
    Originally posted by Mr Heel II
    The rest of the show was pretty underwhelming. Cena/Dupree was alright, but my wife brought up a point about Dupree...How can he be legally drinking wine in those Cafe segments if he's only the announcer claimed age of 20?


Ah, but he's also European, you can legally drink from the age of 18 over here.

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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.10
All I can say is when the thread of PPV results turns into a discussion of botched chair shots, the legal drinking age and the next PPV, it makes me all the happier that I did not order the PPV. It sounds like it could have gone down as one of the most underwheliming PPVs ever.



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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.60
I haven't seen a lot of Smackdown since June of 2001, but I was able to see JD. When I heard about Bradshaw-Eddie, I figured no way. I was very wrong. I think that this was a tremendous match. The work rate types may not agree, but this was an excellently crafted match that had a great buildup to it. I've been watching some Misawa-Kobashi tapes lately, and the ebb and flow of this match felt on a par with those classics. I'm not saying that this match would rank with the Misawa-Kobashi classics, but it had the same in ring feel. I enjoyed the PPV top to bottom, with a special pop to whoever came up with Chavo Classic, I chuckle every time I hear it.



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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.48
I ordered the ppv along with friends and wasn't expecting much but the main event totally delivered. Good to see people giving JBL and Eddie there props. I don't know how they will top this but at Great American Bash it has to be some kind of gimmick match so I was thinking first blood. The rest of the ppv was total junk but at least the tag match at the start was good. Was it worth $35? Nah but it was a fun night. Oh and thanks Bulldog i was wondering who that was with the kick ass signs all night.



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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
    Originally posted by Stilton
      Originally posted by CANADIAN BULLDOG
      For at least the second time in his WWE career, Booker T got seriously shafted by jobbing cleanly to The Undertaker. What was the point in losing to someone who will be making "rare" appearances?


    But Bulldog, didn't Booker need a major loss tonight to be a catalyst for his impending character/gimmick change? If he'd won tonight, there would be no motivation for the change. Now, after a good trouncing by the Dead Man, he'll have all kinds of comeback/resurrection/revenge angles to propel his new voodoo schtick. If creative insists on handing him this gimmick, Booker had to lose tonight. In a way, they're using Taker to help rejuvinate (in their eyes anyway) Booker's character.

The thing is, Book doesn't need this retread, midcard, lame-o gimmick. SD is in serious need of top-level heels, and going over Taker and not being saddled w/ the voodoo gimmick would have solidified Book as a top heel on the show, giving Eddie his next opponent after dispatching Bradshaw. As it stands now, Bradshaw is the only "ME" heel on SD, with nobody else even close. Book was the #2 heel, and now he's lost any credibility by jobbing to Taker. Even if they decide to do Book/Eddie, the voodoo gimmick will hurt Book in the feud, as nobody will give him any chance to seriously beat Eddie (much like nobody gives Bradshaw a chance).



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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.86
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Here, I'm just after writing this analysis of the show for my column and I'll give you guys first read because you're all so very special:

JUDGE THIS BITCHES

So I felt fine about not bothering to recap this. I figured “Hey, the net will do my opinion justice,” but nooooooooooooooooo, you guys always let me down when I even PONDER letting you do my work.

Judgment Day was a fun, and good show. Not worth $35 but then again, is there a pay-per view worth that to broke old me? Probably not. Luckily I got it for free and I’m happy I spent three hours watching it. See I’m weird like that. I’m not out looking to be taken seriously by Meltzer, Scherer, Keller et al; I do my work and am completely honest about it, and thus get some enjoyment out of it.

You guys seem to want to impress someone by claiming that NOTHING is good enough for you? Am I wrong? Am I wrong? You’ve ALL seen the BEST and seem to agree on what the BEST is, thus defying the notion that every human being has a different opinion. Nope, the IWC all has Meltzer’s opinion.

From top to bottom the card was solid. You got a hot opener, two filler matches that I’ll give you guys some leeway on, although Mordecai’s debut was intended to be more of a spectacle than a technical classic. You all ogle over Taker’s SurSer ’90 debut now but by no means would you have done so immediately after it happened. The tag match was entertaining for what it was, although maybe just 18,000 or so MARKS just laughed because they’re obviously not smart enough to know better. Chavo/Jackie was another throwaway match and probably accomplished the least on the card, but even the best cards have their share of those.

Then you get to the main events.

Renee Dupree and John Cena are two men just done with their rookie internship. They’re two guys who’ve never had a noteworthy match that they can account for. And yet they’re two guys who can feel particularly satisfied with what they accomplished by putting on a match that was technically fine, well booked, entertained, had MAJOR heat with the crowd (note Dupree ducking out of the ring in the first few minutes, the fans damn near lynched him) and proved both men’s handiness in the ring and yet,

Cena needs a real opponent to stay over as U.S. Champ, preferably someone who can carry him to a better match
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Taker/Booker was fine. I didn’t love it, didn’t hate it and, to me, Cole and Tazz’ commentary as they rationalised the existence of Taker was the highlight of the match. I’d nothing much else about this to say until I saw the plethora of eulogies donated to Booker’s career. Oh right, because having him win a Battle Royal or even a rematch with Taker (which could even end with Mordecai interference to save face for UT) wouldn’t put him right back in a programme with Eddie. Shaddap Internet.

In fact the only match that seems to be given credit was the FANTASTIC display put on by Eddie and JBL, and even then people seem to act as if they are being oh so generous by laying plaudits on it. Goddamnit you people don’t give an inch do you? Eddie damn near burst a vein in his head, JBL went for a half hour and gave the best show of his life and yet, the ONLY reason they deserve praise is because you had ‘low expectations’. Bullshit. Stop marking out, stop letting Meltzer dictate what you do and don’t enjoy and, as I said in the forums, let yourself be entertained for once. Or at least stop wasting your time watching this apparent ‘crap’.

Oh and before you tell me the only reason you watch is because of your ‘love’ for the business, stop and take heed from the old timers who broke their bodies down for the business and just…switch…off.

Idiots.

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#39 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.11
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#40 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.46
    Originally posted by Captain Ferret
      Originally posted by Mr Heel II
      The rest of the show was pretty underwhelming. Cena/Dupree was alright, but my wife brought up a point about Dupree...How can he be legally drinking wine in those Cafe segments if he's only the announcer claimed age of 20?


    Ah, but he's also European, you can legally drink from the age of 18 over here.




Dupree is from New Brunswick, Canada. He's not even from Quebec, and he's definitely not from Europe. Either way, what difference does it make where he's from?? The law in America remains the same no matter where you're from. Whether it's enforced or not is something totally different.

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