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#1 Posted on
In whole it seems as though that many people here at this message board and in the IWC seem to share the same brain and ideas to many things in wrestling. That's probably why I don't like coming here or to many internet wrestling sites, it's the same repetitive crap said in different words time and time again. Anyone who dares to speak out is seen as an outcast and look downed upon. Anyways, let's name the "Unwritten Rules Of The IWC", shall we?

1. Chris Benoit is my hero and I have 10 "Best Of" Tapes of him!!!! I LOVE Chris Benoit and if I were a girl, I would marry him!!! If only WWE would listen to us and make him the franchise of the promotion. I am certain that he would lead WWE to the highest mountains.

2. Triple H is holding people down!!! I HATE Triple H!!! He's a hinderance to WWE!!! WWE needs to make him wash bathroom stalls and not holding down talent!!!

3. God forbid that we have anyone in the ring that weighs more than 240 pounds and can't pull off at the very least a *** (three) star match with a minimum of 10 high flying spots!! THE HORROR!!! THE HORROR!!!

4. Kurt Angle can do no wrong!!! He is excellance. Everyone should be like him!!! We need more Kurt Angles and less Big Shows!! Speaking of which...

5. I hate Big Show!! He sucks not to mention tub of shit!!! He'd horrible and WWE should listent to me and fire him post haste!!! GRRRR, I hate slow plodding giant wrestlers!!

6. Molly is the best woman ever in the history of WWE!!! Oh why is WWE holding her down? Oh that's right, because she doesn't have a stick figure and big boobs!!! The GALL of them!!! And how dare they say she has fatass!!! She's normal sized, leave her alone!!

7. Must WWE continuously bring in people over the age of 40? Ugh, I can't bare to watch!!! WWE should be chalk full of 25 year olds, not these old fogies!!!

8. Vince Russo is the biggest pile of crap I've ever seen!!! I HATE HIS GUTS!!! He ruined wrestling!! I HATE HIM!! I HATE HIM!! I HATE HIM!!! I HATE HIM!!!

9. Ric Flair is a GOD. I worship the ground he walks on!! No one will ever be as great as him,.not even that slimebag Hulk Hogan!! NEVER I SAY!!!

10. If only WWE would listen to us and make programming 99.9% wrestling and no sports entertainment WHATSOEVER!! I hate Sports Entertainment!!! Bikini contests take away time from Chris Benoit matches!!!

And this is just a few. These all seem to be the same ideas shared by just about everyone. People seem to get swayed easily by what others think and go with the popular opinion. If most of the people on the internet though A-Train was the best thing sliced bread, many others would follow the others lead.

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1. Chris Benoit is my hero and I have 10 "Best Of" Tapes of him!!!! I LOVE Chris Benoit and if I were a girl, I would marry him!!! If only WWE would listen to us and make him the franchise of the promotion. I am certain that he would lead WWE to the highest mountains.

Er, I've stated before I'd actually rather watch Big Show maul people than watch Benoit do the same stupid "german suplex me, now I german suplex you" spot over and over again....

2. Triple H is holding people down!!! I HATE Triple H!!! He's a hinderance to WWE!!! WWE needs to make him wash bathroom stalls and not holding down talent!!!

Well yes, when HHH NEVER LOSES it does get rather tiresome. Sue me.

3. God forbid that we have anyone in the ring that weighs more than 240 pounds and can't pull off at the very least a *** (three) star match with a minimum of 10 high flying spots!! THE HORROR!!! THE HORROR!!!

See Big Show comment.

4. Kurt Angle can do no wrong!!! He is excellance. Everyone should be like him!!! We need more Kurt Angles and less Big Shows!! Speaking of which...

I agree. Though nothing against Big Show, I'd trade a million of him for another Angle. That's just common sense.

5. I hate Big Show!! He sucks not to mention tub of shit!!! He'd horrible and WWE should listent to me and fire him post haste!!! GRRRR, I hate slow plodding giant wrestlers!!

.....see above four or so comments on Big Show

6. Molly is the best woman ever in the history of WWE!!! Oh why is WWE holding her down? Oh that's right, because she doesn't have a stick figure and big boobs!!! The GALL of them!!! And how dare they say she has fatass!!! She's normal sized, leave her alone!!

Not when Daffney's still alive

7. Must WWE continuously bring in people over the age of 40? Ugh, I can't bare to watch!!! WWE should be chalk full of 25 year olds, not these old fogies!!!

I like Hogan, I like Piper. As long as they're entertaining, why would I care how old they are?

8. Vince Russo is the biggest pile of crap I've ever seen!!! I HATE HIS GUTS!!! He ruined wrestling!! I HATE HIM!! I HATE HIM!! I HATE HIM!!! I HATE HIM!!!

Er...I agree.

9. Ric Flair is a GOD. I worship the ground he walks on!! No one will ever be as great as him,.not even that slimebag Hulk Hogan!! NEVER I SAY!!!

I agree again.

10. If only WWE would listen to us and make programming 99.9% wrestling and no sports entertainment WHATSOEVER!! I hate Sports Entertainment!!! Bikini contests take away time from Chris Benoit matches!!!

No bikini contest will ever lead to anything worthwhile on network TV, so why bother with them? You've seen everything you will ever see, you did so ten years ago. Move along.



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Yeah, that pretty much sums it up. And your point is?



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I think most people are sheeplike in their willingness to pick someone's viewpoint and assimilate it as their own, but the reasons you list pretty much tell the tale: most of the IWC likes wrestlers who have a high workrate. Yeah, it varies from person to person, but that's the overall "vibe" of the IWC.

Here's a novel idea: if you have any valid arguments against these "unwritten rules," why not share with the class?



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#5 Posted on
Here's a thought:

If 99% of us believe that the sun will rise tomorrow, does that, by your logic, make us wrong?


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#6 Posted on
-4. Kurt Angle can do no wrong!!! He is excellance. Everyone should be like him!!! We need more Kurt Angles-

Great in the ring, interesting on the mic, can generate tons of heat. And has an best quality match/crowd reaction ratio that I've seen on the roster right now. You're right, he's no good... I wonder back in the day when Hockey or Basketball fans called Gretzky or Jordan great if they would be considered Smarks as well.

I've been on this board long enough to know for certain that if you take 5 random people here and have them answer those 10 questions there is no chance you'll get the same responses for all 10 questions

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#7 Posted on
1. Chris Benoit is my hero and I have 10 "Best Of" Tapes of him!!!!

Unless you count WWE PPVs, I have no tapes of Chris Benoit.


2. Triple H is... a hinderance to WWE!!!

He's probably more of a hindrance.


3. God forbid that we have anyone in the ring that weighs more than 240 pounds and can't pull off at the very least a *** (three) star match with a minimum of 10 high flying spots!! THE HORROR!!! THE HORROR!!!

Agreed. Colonel Kurtz is a shitty wrestler. I would rather watch Johnny the Bull, but they killed him at the end of the movie.


4. Kurt Angle can do no wrong!!! He is excellance.

No, Bret Hart was "excellance": the Excellance of Execution as well as perhaps the Excellance of Topiaries and many other things. The world will never know. Kurt Angle is just "grate."


5. I hate Big Show!! He sucks not to mention tub of shit!!! He'd horrible and WWE should listent to me and fire him post haste!!! GRRRR, I hate slow plodding giant wrestlers!!

I wrote a whole column explaining why I like the guy no matter what. Apparently you don't read a whole lot of the IWC.


6. Molly is the best woman ever in the history of WWE!!! Oh why is WWE holding her down? Oh that's right, because she doesn't have a stick figure and big boobs!!! The GALL of them!!! And how dare they say she has fatass!!! She's normal sized, leave her alone!!

Well, she doesn't have an oversized ass. And why is her talent not as utilized as it could be?


7. Must WWE continuously bring in people over the age of 40? Ugh, I can't bare to watch!!! WWE should be chalk full of 25 year olds, not these old fogies!!!

Given the osteopathic condition of many of the over-forty wrestlers, WWE might already be "chalk full." And, since Benoit, Jericho and Booker are very much in their thirties, I imagine that the IWC that you imagine would be very upset to see nothing but 25-year-olds.


9. Ric Flair is a GOD. I worship the ground he walks on!! No one will ever be as great as him,.not even that slimebag Hulk Hogan!! NEVER I SAY!!!

I very much doubt that Hogan will ever be as technically good as Flair, especially since his hips are even now going the way of so much chalk. But I've also never been as overly fond of Flair as others seem to be. Again, you seem to have a very narrow definition of IWC writers.


10. If only WWE would listen to us and make programming 99.9% wrestling and no sports entertainment WHATSOEVER!! I hate Sports Entertainment!!! Bikini contests take away time from Chris Benoit matches!!!

I think Stone Cold Steve Austin is the best thing on RAW, and he doesn't wrestle at all.


And this is just a few. These all seem to be the same ideas shared by just about everyone. People seem to get swayed easily by what others think and go with the popular opinion. If most of the people on the internet though A-Train was the best thing sliced bread, many others would follow the others lead.
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I will again reiterate that I don't think you have much of an idea of what the "IWC" says, since you've chosen three columnists to represent the sum total of ideas presented. Off the top of my head, I can think of (OnlineOnslaught's) Rick Scaia, Eoghann Irving, Kyle Maxwell, Tony Kowalski, Erin Anderson (and me) who do not ape these views. I think 411's Flea and Sylvain Parent, the Torch's James Guttman and scores of people here at the Wienerboard also do not ape these views. I would normally name other writers, but I've abstained from checking out many columns for the past month; as such, I can't claim to know what many others are saying. Nonetheless, I imagine there must be at least ten other regular columnists whose opinions split from this herd you envision.

Indeed, in judging the "IWC," you seem to have leapt to the same arbitrary and undiverse negative conclusions you accuse us all of harboring toward WWE wrestlers. I can only encourage you to develop a healthy appreciation of irony, to read more than THREE IWC columnists, or to go soak your head.



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#8 Posted on
Let me add a rule, when you do a list of stereotypical opinions, a bunch of people are going to scramble around trying to disprove you by saying they do the exact opposite of what you state in spite of becoming a part of popular opinion. I won't! Hey call me a stereotype a sheep or whatever, but I agree with common opinon. Another rule I'd like to add is how when people make similar lists they try to exaggerate with the hope of swaying more people towards there view!

1. Yeah, Benoits' the shit. The wrestler of the 90's, and if somebody made the same claim about Michael Jordan there wouldn't be a whole lot of debate. I'd like to see Benoit as champ, that would enable me to see more great matches. If booked right, yeah he could lead WWE to the highest mountains. But he does have that one major weakness.

2. Well, gee, for some very odd reason, I can't debate that!

3. This opinion is one in which I don't hold, but I was never a huge fan of straight out Lucha wrestling or straight out spot wrestling. A high spot is nice when it means something, but I'd much rather see a good story in the ring!

Now, I think there is some anger that Vince builds a wall from people under a certain size.

4. How do you argue this?

5. Maybe if Big Show was booked in a half way intelligent manner there would be less tension against him. One moment he is a main event monster, the next he is a mid card comedy figure! Then he is a midcard monster and the next day he is a main event comedy figure. Big Show isn't a great wrestler that point no one can dispute, but it's not his fault the way they booked him. If they would have marketed him as an unbeatable monster and stuck with it, he could have been a great short term draw. But they dropped the ball with him. Right now I see no redeeming qualities in him.

6. I couldn't care less, the division is a joke, and it always will be!

7. Hey if someone over 40 can prove to be entertaining in and out of the ring I have no problem with that. However, If there is one thing we can all learn from the demise of WCW that is you need to create and build around new stars, not rehash novelty acts from 20 years ago. For example, if anyone thinks they should put the strap on Kendrick is an idiot, but they should start building him to the point where 3- 5 years down the road he will be in a main event position.

When Hogan came back with the NWO he was big as ever, but it quickly fizzled. The fans totally reject Nash as a main eventer, with his condition he has as much buisness in the ring as I do in a Miss America contest! These guys are way past there shelf life. When an athlete reaches a point where he is detremimental to his team he retires. When a once popular TV show can't reach a certain rating the network cancels it. When a fans of a particaulr music acts grows up, the band go back to playing clubs or start new projects. Why should wrestling be any differant?

8. I am sure many wrestlers will second that opinion when it come time to renegotiate that contract.

9. Once again I can't argue that, sorry! Flair at least isn't focus of the shows like certain others in his age bracket.

10. Funny as how I have never heard this from anyone. Anyone with half a brain relizes that entertaining the public is half the battle. Yet, I can't figure out what's entertaining about the WWE right now. Bra and panties matches? The first 20 times yeah. Triple H screwing a corpse? Never turned me on. Lesbians? Maybe when I was 15. By the decline in ratings, im not alone in my opinons. There is only so many times you can shock people with these over the top storylines, soon it all becomes nullifying and to be frank damn boring.

I am a mark for great storylines, when they are done right is the apex of the wrestling experance. Look at Edge and Christian's antics, Dreamer/Raven storyline, DX, BWO, Ted Dibese kicking a ball from a kid's hands, Mr. Perfect's outrageous sports moments, Anything with Foley. Hell I could go on forever. Untill I reach 2001!

Maybe next time you can argue aginst these standards. It will spawn heated debate, but it would be much more interesting than trying to lump everyone together. I think you can find some diverse opinons on here, you will find many simalarties in opinon, and you will have certain anal assholes who are well... assholes.



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#9 Posted on
I'm glad that I did my best to re-popularize the term "IWC"!...wasn't too long ago that the phrase was goin' out of style!

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#10 Posted on
Okay, as someone who spent a large chunk of my net time defending WCW through the mid to late '90s (and getting branded a troll on RSPW, the original home of the IWC), I'll respond to your points:

>>> "1. Chris Benoit is my hero and I have 10 "Best Of" Tapes of him!!!! I LOVE Chris Benoit and if I were a girl, I would marry him!!! If only WWE would listen to us and make him the franchise of the promotion. I am certain that he would lead WWE to the highest mountains."

Chris Benoit looks more convincing than most in the wrestling ring, but he wasn't really ever that good at promos (note I don't get Smackdown anymore, so if he's improved recently I've missed it). That said, I remember watching the PPV where he beat Sid Vicious (in WCW's attempt to keep him with the company after Russo's 1st run with the book ended, and Kevin Sullivan was about to take over) with some friends, and they seemed to have bought Benoit as a world champ (and they weren't IWCers/ RSPWers).

Personally, Kanyon / Mortis was my favourite held down wrestler, but anyway

>>> "2. Triple H is holding people down!!! I HATE Triple H!!! He's a hinderance to WWE!!! WWE needs to make him wash bathroom stalls and not holding down talent!!!"

Okay, I've stated my opinion on Triple H before. Lack of face to counter him... can't be bothered retying, threads on here somewhere.

>>> "3. God forbid that we have anyone in the ring that weighs more than 240 pounds and can't pull off at the very least a *** (three) star match with a minimum of 10 high flying spots!! THE HORROR!!! THE HORROR!!! "

Hall, Nash, and freshly turned heel Hogan were what really got my watching pro wrestling religiously again, and I'm pretty sure all of them (at least in kayfabe) were over 240 pounds; I was a Sting mark too, he was over 240 pounds...

>>> "4. Kurt Angle can do no wrong!!! He is excellance. Everyone should be like him!!! We need more Kurt Angles and less Big Shows!! Speaking of which..."

I'll make this simple for you. He's a heel. His job is to be a guy that you want to see get beaten up. People pay money to see him hopefully get beaten up. Therefore, by definition, he's doing his job. Should all the heels in the company do their job, by getting people to pay money to see them hopefully get beaten up?

>>> "5. I hate Big Show!! He sucks not to mention tub of shit!!! He'd horrible and WWE should listent to me and fire him post haste!!! GRRRR, I hate slow plodding giant wrestlers!!"

Paul Wight was a draw when he was first introduced to WCW as The Giant. He seems to have slowly grown more appathetic (then again WCW did that to a lot of people apparently).

>>> "7. Must WWE continuously bring in people over the age of 40? Ugh, I can't bare to watch!!! WWE should be chalk full of 25 year olds, not these old fogies!!!"

Personally, it depends on *how* they bring them in. If they're used to add credibility to younger wrestlers and add to the shows, then more power to them. If a 50 year old comes out and regularly kicks the out of a guy half his age, that I have a problem with.

>>> "8. Vince Russo is the biggest pile of crap I've ever seen!!! I HATE HIS GUTS!!! He ruined wrestling!! I HATE HIM!! I HATE HIM!! I HATE HIM!!! I HATE HIM!!!"

Russo also helped write wrestlings latest boom. Yeah, he couldn't save WCW and made a *lot* of bad mistakes trying. However, WCW was arguably dead 2 years before he got there...

>>> "9. Ric Flair is a GOD. I worship the ground he walks on!! No one will ever be as great as him,.not even that slimebag Hulk Hogan!! NEVER I SAY!!!"

Aren't you contradicting point 7 here? Anyway, Flair does add interest to the shows and arguably add credibility to a younger wrestler (Triple H), as well as having put over several wrestlers since coming to WWE. He doesn't regularly get put over younger wrestlers. By my above criteria, more power too him.

>>> "10. If only WWE would listen to us and make programming 99.9% wrestling and no sports entertainment WHATSOEVER!! I hate Sports Entertainment!!! Bikini contests take away time from Chris Benoit matches!!!"

Personally, I don't mind a little sports entertainment if it makes the show more entertaining, and certainly if it adds to the quality of the wrestling there's nothing wrong with it from WWE's end. If it helps the fed to draw, more power to them! I wouldn't watch 2 hours straight interviews and skits, and I wouldn't watch a 2 hour match bell to bell...

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#11 Posted on
"In whole it seems as though that many people here at this message board and in the IWC seem to share the same brain and ideas to many things in wrestling. That's probably why I don't like coming here or to many internet wrestling sites, it's the same repetitive crap said in different words time and time again."

Hmmmm, and yet you are not only here, but also posting. Masochism rocks! But anyway....

"let's name the "Unwritten Rules Of The IWC", shall we?"

Well alrighty then.....

"1. Chris Benoit is my hero and I have 10 "Best Of" Tapes of him!!!! I LOVE Chris Benoit and if I were a girl, I would marry him!!! If only WWE would listen to us and make him the franchise of the promotion. I am certain that he would lead WWE to the highest mountains."

Actually my hero is the young Nigerian laddie in my avatar right now, and while he's an unparalleled bag of tricks with a football, to the best of my knowledge he cant wreslte for toffee.

As for Benoit, yeah he's vbery technically gifted but while I appreciate that, there are other guys I'd much rather watch wrestle. Rey Rey, Rocky, Brock, Kurt, and Eddie to name but a few. Arguably none are as technically gifted, but arguably the 3 greatest draws in westling history (Rock, Hogan, and Austin) were never the best wrestlers, but still got much more over than Benoit ever has. Those are the sort of guys I want at the top of the company.

""2. Triple H is holding people down!!! I HATE Triple H!!! He's a hinderance to WWE!!! WWE needs to make him wash bathroom stalls and not holding down talent!!!"

Nope, disagree 100%. You can add him to the list of people I'd sooner watch than Benoit. Admittedly this does however put me in the minority round these parts,if not among the more casual wrestling fans I know, but I've never felt castigated as a result. Maybe I'm just thick skinned. We'll move on...

"3. God forbid that we have anyone in the ring that weighs more than 240 pounds and can't pull off at the very least a *** (three) star match with a minimum of 10 high flying spots!! THE HORROR!!! THE HORROR!!! "

Like Jeff? The internet loved him didnt they? I dont think theres naything wrong with wanting to see good/great matches however, though as I implied in point 1 I feel that in ring action is but one part of what makes a great professional wrestler.

"4. Kurt Angle can do no wrong!!! He is excellance. Everyone should be like him!!! We need more Kurt Angles and less Big Shows!! Speaking of which..."

He's been invariably outstanding over the past 12 months however I do have concerns. I'm not convinced about him as a face, his promos can ocassionally drag on a bit, and his character at times verges on the one-dimensional. I'd like to see a return of the Kurt who went a bit psychotic after losing his WM 17 spot at NWO and went around trying to break ankles left and right.

5. "I hate Big Show!! He sucks not to mention tub of shit!!! He'd horrible and WWE should listent to me and fire him post haste!!! GRRRR, I hate slow plodding giant wrestlers!!"

Don't mind Big Show one little bit thank you.

6. Molly is the best woman ever in the history of WWE!!! Oh why is WWE holding her down? Oh that's right, because she doesn't have a stick figure and big boobs!!! The GALL of them!!! And how dare they say she has fatass!!! She's normal sized, leave her alone!!

Nope, Trish and Jazz are both better in my opinion, as is Victoria if only for Stevie pink trunks.

"7. Must WWE continuously bring in people over the age of 40? Ugh, I can't bare to watch!!! WWE should be chalk full of 25 year olds, not these old fogies!!!"

Doesn't matter what age they are, as long as they're entertaining. Hogan might not be great in the ring no more but he certainly is over and deserves plenty of TV time.

So does Mr America for that matter.

8. Vince Russo is the biggest pile of crap I've ever seen!!! I HATE HIS GUTS!!! He ruined wrestling!! I HATE HIM!! I HATE HIM!! I HATE HIM!!! I HATE HIM!!!"

Did some good, did some bad. Certainly dont hate him.

"9. Ric Flair is a GOD. I worship the ground he walks on!! No one will ever be as great as him,.not even that slimebag Hulk Hogan!! NEVER I SAY!!!"

NO NO NO! Jay Jay is a God or werent you paying attention in point one?

"10. If only WWE would listen to us and make programming 99.9% wrestling and no sports entertainment WHATSOEVER!! I hate Sports Entertainment!!! Bikini contests take away time from Chris Benoit matches!!!"

No, that would suck. If people didn't want sports entertainment then ratings for amateur wrestling would go through the roof.

Bikini contests involve attractive women wearing little clothing, something which should always be encouraged.

"And this is just a few. These all seem to be the same ideas shared by just about everyone. People seem to get swayed easily by what others think and go with the popular opinion. If most of the people on the internet though A-Train was the best thing sliced bread, many others would follow the others lead. "

I agree to an extent in that sometimes minority opinions can be shouted down while majority opinions can be confused for facts by some. But I think the general responses to your post would suggest that we are all far from thinking with one brain. In fact I often try to bypass the brain malarky altogether ;)



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#12 Posted on
You're right...

Chris Benoit is a HORRIBLE professional wrestler.

Triple H goes out of his way each and every day to put over young talent.

Brock Lesnar is under 240 pounds...

It's a good thing Kurt Angle is out with an injury, we wouldn't want him dragging down the show because he's so unentertaining.

Big Show is quick as a cat, doesn't blow up 2 minutes into a match, and is an excellent pro wrestler.

Molly's fat.

Who cares if the old guys that get all the TV time don't work house shows? Who needs house shows? Who needs money?

Vince Russo is a wrestling genius.

Ric Flair was average and couldn't lace the boots of Hulk Hogan. Hogan proved that when he beat him in WCW, brother.

Bikini Contests on Pay-Per-View between two women we see in bikinis on TV and naked in magazines is sure to attract tons of viewers! So what if they've seen it for free? So what if they've paid LESS to see it ALL before? Wrestling needs more bikinis.
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#13 Posted on
I think this board is slowly degenerating into a "Lord of the Flies" like anarchy. When the Z's away, the Weiners will play.



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#14 Posted on
There needs to be an auto-response of some sort for that sort of post that just reads "DON'T FEED THE TROLLS!"

Geez, this is almost as bad as the thread complaining that Maxim doesn't know enough about Superheroes. If you ignore this sort of thing it goes away. If you give it attention it just hangs around.



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#15 Posted on

    Originally posted by winston
    In whole it seems as though that many people here at this message board and in the IWC seem to share the same brain and ideas to many things in wrestling. That's probably why I don't like coming here or to many internet wrestling sites, it's the same repetitive crap said in different words time and time again. Anyone who dares to speak out is seen as an outcast and look downed upon. Anyways, let's name the "Unwritten Rules Of The IWC", shall we?

    (snip a whole bunch of bulljive)


Aww, c'mon, we don't ALL spell that poorly, do we?

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Since: 6.1.02
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#16 Posted on
That's a pretty stupid argument that just because we all like the good or popular wrestlers that we are all sheep. As a matter of fact we all have differing opinions. Some people like Booker T, some don't, some like RVD, some don't. A lot of people have very different opinions on Jericho, Kane, Big Show, O'Haire, and many others. Sure just about everybody loves Angle and Benoit. But can you blame them? They are the best in the sport. And almost everyone hates Triple H, but just about everybody inbetween has people that both like them and dislike them. Calling people sheep just for liking the popular people is ridiculous. So i guess most NBA fans were sheeps because the liked Michael Jordan because heaven forbid they like the best player in their sport at the time. But you're right, we should have a mind of our own. There should be more Jack Haley fans.



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Since: 10.3.03
From: Elmwood, IL

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#17 Posted on
It seems like every month or so a thread just like this pops up, and oddly enough, has the exact same arguments about WHY all we IWC people are sheep. We all like Benoit, we all hate HHH, etc., etc. Blah, blah, blah.

And, if their arguments are all the same, who's the sheep?



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Since: 15.1.02
From: Philly

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#18 Posted on
Ahem, winston, let me introduce myself.

I constantly thought about screwing HHH for the last 6 years (not in the ring either... well maybe...)

I like Kurt Angle.

I do like the Big Show sometimes

Benoit is cool, but he's not God to me, Aja Kong is!

I love Molly, and she's cuddly.

I also like Steph cause I think she's pretty.

I still like the WWE (and most of the folks who work there), but their "entertainment" isn't ENTERTAINING to me right now. Haven't stopped watching completely though because I grew up on them.

Nothing wrong with the big guys, as long as they're not TEST.

I'm the cow among the sheep. Nice to meet ya!

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Since: 23.5.02
From: Nashville,TN

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#19 Posted on
It's just someone with 5 posts looking to get a cheap pop.


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Since: 18.6.02
From: North Cacalacky

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#20 Posted on
1. Chris Benoit is my hero and I have 10 "Best Of" Tapes of him!!!! I LOVE Chris Benoit and if I were a girl, I would marry him!!! If only WWE would listen to us and make him the franchise of the promotion. I am certain that he would lead WWE to the highest mountains.

Alright, I'll admit that I had a good laugh at this one. But, I don't think anyone's ever said that Benoit could "lead the WWE to the highest mountains". Not even Scott Keith. I think they could have made him into a pretty big star after his Royal Rumble standing ovation, and I think that he is still over enough now to be pushed to the main event. No one is asking Benoit to be the "franchise". They just want to see him get some kind of reward for his hard work. And I don't know how anyone could disagree with that.

2. Triple H is holding people down!!! I HATE Triple H!!! He's a hinderance to WWE!!! WWE needs to make him wash bathroom stalls and not holding down talent!!!

Yes, most people on the IWC do say that. But many here on the wienerboard actually stick up for Triple H. Just take a look around, and it's easy to see that. But I'm really not the one to be arguing this, as I personally hate Triple H's guts. YOU SCREWED RVD, BOOKER T, AND CHRIS JERICHO! YOU LOOK GAY IN PURPLE TIGHTS AND BOOTS! YOU'RE A HINDERANCE TO WWE!!! WWE NEEDS TO MAKE YOU WASH BATHROOM STALLS AND NOT HOLD DOWN TALENT!!!!! BASTARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

3. God forbid that we have anyone in the ring that weighs more than 240 pounds and can't pull off at the very least a *** (three) star match with a minimum of 10 high flying spots!! THE HORROR!!! THE HORROR!!!

Yes. Damn us for wanting good matches. The rest of the wrestling world is NOTHING like that. I attended the Judgment Day PPV last week, and you should have heard all the chants of excitement for Kevin Nash. Well, actually the chants were mostly "Boring" and "You need Scott Hall". But still. Just wait until the HYOOGE Judgment Day buyrate comes out. That'll show everyone that NOBODY cares about good matches except for the damned IWC.


4. Kurt Angle can do no wrong!!! He is excellance. Everyone should be like him!!! We need more Kurt Angles and less Big Shows!!

Um... yeah. And you're point is?


5. I hate Big Show!! He sucks not to mention tub of shit!!! He'd horrible and WWE should listent to me and fire him post haste!!! GRRRR, I hate slow plodding giant wrestlers!!

I don't think you need a subscription to Wrestling Observer to realize that Big Show's a horrible wrestler. But, hey, if YOU like slow, plodding wrestlers, that fine. I'll send you a "Very Worst of Big Show" tape for your enjoyment. It seems these non-IWC guys really like boring wrestling. Probably why they're so loud during some of these matches. Those "boring" chants must be all in my head. And no one has said that Big Show sucks tubs of shit.


6. Molly is the best woman ever in the history of WWE!!! Oh why is WWE holding her down? Oh that's right, because she doesn't have a stick figure and big boobs!!! The GALL of them!!! And how dare they say she has fatass!!! She's normal sized, leave her alone!!

No, Jazz is the best woman ever.

And I DO think it was a little out of taste to call a normal-sized woman a fatass and give everyone false images of what a girl should look like. But, hey, those non-IWC fans don't have any taste. In fact, I was talking to my non-IWC friend earlier, and he said that the only thing he didn't like about the Triple H/Booker T feud was that they didn't flat-out call him a nigger, and then tie him to the ropes and start whipping him and force-feeding him watermelons. Those non-IWC guys really don't have a sense of good taste or bad taste, do they?

7. Must WWE continuously bring in people over the age of 40? Ugh, I can't bare to watch!!! WWE should be chalk full of 25 year olds, not these old fogies!!!

Yes, because Roddy Piper sure has been pouring in the millions of dollars latley. Those dropping ratings? Those are all the horrid smart-marks leaving, right?

8. Vince Russo is the biggest pile of crap I've ever seen!!! I HATE HIS GUTS!!! He ruined wrestling!! I HATE HIM!! I HATE HIM!! I HATE HIM!!! I HATE HIM!!!

No, he just killed WCW. And I don't think there is any argument against that.

9. Ric Flair is a GOD. I worship the ground he walks on!! No one will ever be as great as him,.not even that slimebag Hulk Hogan!! NEVER I SAY!!!

Good point. Ric Flair IS a god.

No. He's THE GOD!

10. If only WWE would listen to us and make programming 99.9% wrestling and no sports entertainment WHATSOEVER!! I hate Sports Entertainment!!! Bikini contests take away time from Chris Benoit matches!!!

No one wants 99.9% wrestling and no sports entertainment. Then where would the other .1% go? And people realize that the sports entertainment aspect is a big part. But, wrestling should remain the biggest part. And no one is going to pay 35 bucks for Austin/Bischoff skits and bikini contests that we see for free every Monday and Thursday night. It's just a fact.


If most of the people on the internet though A-Train was the best thing sliced bread, many others would follow the others lead.

HA! You're an Albert fan? That explains so much.

(edited by OMEGA on 26.5.03 1555)



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