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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.94
As I said in my Armageddon thoughts, I've always said that the Hassan character could be good but WWE has to really be careful in not going over the line. Ivory's comment did just that. Don't know if Ivory should be seriously punished for it, as she probably just didn't think about how offensive the statement was. However, WWE really needs to be careful in making sure statements like these aren't made again.



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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.37
    Originally posted by OMEGA
    As I said in my Armageddon thoughts, I've always said that the Hassan character could be good but WWE has to really be careful in not going over the line. Ivory's comment did just that. Don't know if Ivory should be seriously punished for it, as she probably just didn't think about how offensive the statement was. However, WWE really needs to be careful in making sure statements like these aren't made again.


I'm partial to think that's a scripted line to boost the angle. I HOPE that's the case.

Not that it makes the statement any less bigoted.



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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.41
Considering the heat between Red Staters and Blue Staters right now, I don't know how a "militant Arab American" could be construed as anything but a heel, even if he was supposed to be a face.

The real question in all this:

Ivory hasn't been replaced by a New Diva yet?

(edited by odessasteps on 13.12.04 1719)


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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.49
a bit off subject, but with the comments Stephanie McMahon made on that post 9/11 SD, I always felt she got way more heat than deserved.
I have that show on tape, and happened to run across it a few weeks ago...y'know, young woman, early 20s, saw a parallel between a country not giving up while under duress to her family not giving up while under duress.
I mean, watching your father sit in court and potentially face spending the rest of his life in jail while in your teens can't be easy.
I know everyone hates Stephanie and she's ruined wrestling and everything but on that, I think she deserves some slack.

As far as the Ivory comments, that's just wrong. It's almost firable. It could be seen as making light of 9/11.
I'm sure it wasn't intentional.

As for the character, y'know...we'll see. He's a heel, the WWE doesn't do subtle.
It's as offensive as every other racial and sexual stereotype they trot out 2,000 times a year.

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#25 Posted on
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    I'm not offeneded by him. I'm worried some of my fellow Southerners are going to get hammered at a show and prove their bigoted manhood by attacking the guy.


He was playing the character in OVW as well, but lasted just a few weeks before becoming WWE-exclusive. Why? Some fan jumped the rail and tried to attack him at one of OVW's TV tapings. Jim Cornette and security yanked the fan off of him, he ran out of the arena like he was fearing a lynching, and he hasn't been seen or mentioned since.



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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.26
am I a bad person for finding that joke kinda funny? I am the kind of guy who never gets offended by anything, so if they can make a 9/11 joke and I laugh at it, I dont see the problem.



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#27 Posted on
In a way, this character is significantly different than your past nationalist gimmicks because this seems to be an attack on actual AMERICANS.

Using stereotypes of France, Iran, Russia, fine, they're different nations all together and have fairly different cultures than us. It's cheap heat, and the gimmicks suck, but we don't directly deal with them, so not that much harm done. The problem with this is that it puts a negative light on all of the Americans born and raised here who are Muslim or have an Arab background. Especially since, and I could be wrong about this, but aside from that initial backlash after 9/11, this issue isn't even a widespread problem. Not only is WWE bringing that issue to light, but also insinuating that the Arab-American community are the 'bad guys'.

It's one thing if you're amongst you're friends just fucking around and making racist jokes, as long as you can distinguish between jokes and actual bigotry. What was wrong with Ivory's comments was that this is an entertainment show that is viewed by millions of impressionable young viewers, many of whom may have been sucked into the anti-Muslim wave after 9/11. Comments like those and some of the ones Hassan have made subtly indicates to this impressionable crowd that all Arabs, even the ones born and raised here, are negatively different.

Look, I hate it when the PC-police attack and declare everything offensive to them too, but for a simple wrestling show to so cheaply play off of the hatred of a particular ethnic group and even the tragic attack on 9/11 shows where their head is at. This gimmick is totally unnecessary and more likely than not, inappropriate.
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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.23
    Originally posted by ParagonOfVirtue
    What was wrong with Ivory's comments was that this is an entertainment show that is viewed by millions of impressionable young viewers...


No, it's not. It was on HEAT.



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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.47
    Originally posted by odessasteps
    The real question in all this:

    Ivory hasn't been replaced by a New Diva yet?

    (edited by odessasteps on 13.12.04 1719)


Considering Vince and Dunn give the commentators scripted lines to use within the matches they're talking about to get over angles, are you sure it's Ivory that should take the heat for this? A joke like this is probably coming directly from the guy that you want to have fire her.


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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.18
Was this on the Heat before Armageddon? Aren't Heat shows before Smackdown PPVs not shown in the U.S.?



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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
This was on Heat before Armaggedon; it was the live Heat on SpikeTV which is show only on the US where Ivory said her comment.

They do feed announcers lines to say, more on the big shows than the often glossed over pre-PPV Heat, but just about every month, there's a moment on the show where Ivory gets off track in her hype and the backstage people clearly try to steer her and Todd back on focus.

On the other hand, Ivory's not one afraid to speak now and think later, so I don't know you could definitly say one way or the other without someone on the inside explaining it.



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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.00
I don't think they fed her that line, it seemed very off-the-cuff, as it was live TV setting & having a small amount of time to talk about one thing while throwing over to something else... I like Ivory but that was an incredibly stupid thing to say and terribly offensive. Not just to Arab-American stereotypes but also to the victim of that day. But than again WWE itself is drawing a very thin line when this character is using that day to garner heel heat & I wouldn't be surprised that someone will use that day to get face cheers.

The whole thing is so classless.



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