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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.54
He may be good for a cheap buyrate, but Bill Goldberg does absolutely nothing positive for the business. He never really has, either.

If you look at the Goldberg mystique in WCW, it was based on the fact that WCW was so huge and such a mess and then out of nowhere, there was this one guy who destroyed the *midcard* like a monster week in and week out. The mix of excess jobbers and aging egos made Goldberg a unique case, and hence his rise to the top.

Note I said 'midcard'. If you look at when he actually did get to the top, post-title match with Hogan, did he really have any success? The fans still popped for him because of his original run, but Goldberg did nothing memorable when he actually became a main eventer, both in WCW and WWE. Part of this is booking's fault, but more of this is due to how one-dimensional the character itself is.

Let's face it, Goldberg cannot squash HHH and Kane week in and week out like he did Jerry Flynn and Barbarian. People seem to think anything short of that is not booking Goldberg correctly. The fact that it takes so little to take heat away from him shows how weak his persona is. There is no room in wrestling for Goldberg. Brock, Angle, Rock, HHH, Jericho, etc could all be squashed by Matt Hardy next week and they'd still have ALL of their heat. They could all put a blonde wig next week and they'd still have ALL of their heat. Why? Because they are legitimate superstars, both in terms of workrate and character. Goldberg is neither.

Even though I'm not a fan of Triple H, I was actually sad to see him drop it to Goldberg. All it does is legitimize a guy who thinks he's above the business by making him a once-world champion. Likewise, I really hope they don't run with Brock vs Goldberg for Mania. On paper, that sounds good, considering Brock was built as a similar type of machine in his early days and they are both monsters. But that's all theoretical. In reality, Brock vs Goldberg would be wasting Brock's awesome in-ring talent and the main event slot of the biggest show of the year on an overrated hack like Goldberg. It really won't be 1/100th as good as it seems. I guarantee it. The only redeeming factor would be if the fans turned on Goldberg on his way out.

Face it, Goldberg should be marked down in history as lower than the Warrior himself. With the way some of you talk, you make it seem like the only way Goldberg will go over is if he squashes anything with a pulse numerous times every week. I'm sorry, but the other guys on the roster, the ones who really love the business, don't deserve that. Goldberg doesn't understand this business, and considering what has transpired in the past eight months, he doesn't know how to adapt in it either.

Everything I said would be invalidated if Goldberg was a huge draw, but the positives that Goldberg does bring to the table just isn't worth the effort by WWE. Instead of weakening and upsetting the rest of the talent, having to pay a huge contract, and having to deal with a headcase like him, they should just cut their losses and instead take the booking time they use for him and give it to a young talent that will draw money for them tomorrow.
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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.15
    Originally posted by ParagonOfVirtue
    The fact that it takes so little to take heat away from him shows how weak his persona is. There is no room in wrestling for Goldberg. Brock, Angle, Rock, HHH, Jericho, etc could all be squashed by Matt Hardy next week and they'd still have ALL of their heat. They could all put a blonde wig next week and they'd still have ALL of their heat. Why? Because they are legitimate superstars, both in terms of workrate and character. Goldberg is neither.



And Matt Hardy still wouldn't draw anywhere near what Goldberg did in WCW. I like Matt Hardy but he doesn't have "it", Goldberg does. "It" is an intangible that few have.

Hmmm ... what if you put a blond wig on Stone Cold Steve Austin in 1998 and he did nothing about it? What about Hulk Hogan in 1985?

Brock and Triple H pretty much got shoved down our throats until they finally got over and accepted as top stars. The Rock is an extremely rare case of being so damn charismatic that it didn't matter how shitty they booked him. Kurt Angle and Chris Jericho will never ever be money players because of the way WWE dropped the ball with them. Angle's great but he's nothing at the box office because when WWE was hot, he was wearing cowboy hats and drinking milk instead of snapping ankles. Cute and funny vignettes don't put asses in the seats.

Wrestling is a game of hype. WWE *FAILED* to capture the essence of Goldberg and FAILED to get a return on their investment.

Goldberg IS one-dimensional and that's why it was so damn easy to make money with him. There was a formula, it worked to perfection. It worked so well that when WWE tried to do it with Lesnar in the early going, people chanted Goldberg at him. They could have drawn lots of money with Goldberg which in turn makes everyone else rich.

WWE knew exactly what they were getting into with Bill Goldberg. He's in wrestling because it puts money in his bank account. WWE could have used him to put money in their bank account but they didn't and it's 90% on them because any of the stuff we've heard of Goldberg getting changed, needed to be changed but it was too late then anyways.

Hell, even after dropping the ball with him in the Rock and Jericho programs, Goldberg still managed to get crazy over. They had a rare second chance at SummerSlam and blew it so by the time Goldberg got the title, it was anti-climatic and meaningless.
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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.36
Any wrestler who has to be at the top to get over doesn't deserve to be there. Goldberg doesn't have "it" Goldberg doesn't have anything.

As for the cheap shot at Brock Lesner, let's look at what he has:
1. Sufficient all natural muscle sufficient to F5 a f*cking tree
2. Technical skill - I don't need to tell you his background
3. Intimadating presence - it's been diluted by horrific writing, but I will never forget when Funaki knocked on his door, wanting an interview, and was to terrified to speak
4. True charisma is something that comes through even if you are not allowed to say a word. Even if you do speak and should not be allowed to.
5. He loves the game. We know because he wrestled with some very painful injuries. When he shows strength, it isn't just an act. You can tell - he's the real thing.

What happened at the peak is no longer important. Right now Kurt Angle has the ability to be a star - because he has substance. Goldberg never did. And it shows.







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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.45
I think you are confusing Goldberg's failings with WWE's. They totally dropped the ball...again. This business is about making money and Goldberg could have made WWE money. But he isn't a WWE-made character, so like Booker T, he gets mis-used as soon as he gets over. If I was Goldberg, I would walk and just do shows in Japan from time to time.



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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.54
    Originally posted by fuelinjected


    And Matt Hardy still wouldn't draw anywhere near what Goldberg did in WCW. I like Matt Hardy but he doesn't have "it", Goldberg does. "It" is an intangible that few have.

    Hmmm ... what if you put a blond wig on Stone Cold Steve Austin in 1998 and he did nothing about it? What about Hulk Hogan in 1985?

    Hell, even after dropping the ball with him in the Rock and Jericho programs, Goldberg still managed to get crazy over. They had a rare second chance at SummerSlam and blew it so by the time Goldberg got the title, it was anti-climatic and meaningless.


First off, I never said Matt Hardy could ever draw 1/10th Goldberg did in WCW. My point was that all of these stars could, at any moment, put over any wrestler on the roster, and they would still be as over as before they had lost.

And I don't believe in the year 2004, Goldberg has 'it'. Of course, he was the right man at the right time for WCW in 1998, but this isn't WCW and this isn't 1998. Times have changed. I already touched upon what made Goldberg a success in WCW, but like I said, there's only so much you can do once Goldberg is on top. I agree that WWE hasn't utilized Goldberg to their fullest capability, but my whole point is that at this point, they should just call it a day. His workrate sucks, his mic skills suck, he's a danger to other wrestlers' heat, health and morale, and he just doesn't mesh well with the current roster. The upside of his possible draw is cancelled out, in my opinion, by all of his negatives. As for your couple other points, I guarantee that if they did do the blonde wig bit with Hogan or Austin, they really wouldn't be affected by it. But the fact that to this day, even Meltzer said on his show that that was THE moment his WWE career went to hell..just shows you how weak he is.

Cute and funny vignettes don't put asses in the seats.

Tell that to Mick Foley when he was falling into dumpsters and getting thrown into announce tables, and then when he started hugging the owner and putting on sock puppet shows.

One last point, about Summerslam. I don't think WWE was all too incorrect there. The reason being is that they had not really built up Goldberg that well going into Summerslam, mostly because of the HHH injury. Going into the match, a lot of people felt it wasn't the right time and there wasn't enough hype for a Goldberg win (esp in a six-man). But what happened was the match itself was a success with the crowd, and THEN people raised their fists in the air saying Goldberg should have won. What if, like many of Goldberg's other matches, the crowd wasn't particularily hot? Then his win would have been a total disaster. Saving it for the next RAW-exclusive PPV could have given Goldberg the legitimate one-on-one victory with a proper four weeks extra of buildup. It was mainly how hot the crowd was that people look at Summerslam so closely.

Anyway, thanks for the reply. I suppose we can agree to disagree. :)

(edited by ParagonOfVirtue on 13.1.04 2217)
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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.85
    Originally posted by LotusMegami
    Any wrestler who has to be at the top to get over doesn't deserve to be there. Goldberg doesn't have "it" Goldberg doesn't have anything.

    As for the cheap shot at Brock Lesner, let's look at what he has:
    1. Sufficient all natural muscle sufficient to F5 a f*cking tree
    2. Technical skill - I don't need to tell you his background
    3. Intimadating presence - it's been diluted by horrific writing, but I will never forget when Funaki knocked on his door, wanting an interview, and was to terrified to speak
    4. True charisma is something that comes through even if you are not allowed to say a word. Even if you do speak and should not be allowed to.
    5. He loves the game. We know because he wrestled with some very painful injuries. When he shows strength, it isn't just an act. You can tell - he's the real thing.

    What happened at the peak is no longer important. Right now Kurt Angle has the ability to be a star - because he has substance. Goldberg never did. And it shows.






You say that Goldberg doesn't have "it", yet he matches more of your "Brock Lesnar list" than he misses. Muscle, charisma ('charisma without saying a word' - If that doesn't describe Goldberg I don't know what does), and intimidation are all things that Goldberg friggin' excels at. Hell, he's scarier looking than Brock anyway. Partly because Brock still has the face of a 12 year old boy, and partly because Goldberg's new 'mountain man' beard makes him look like he just stopped killing trespassers long enough to go to the arena and wrestle.

And judging Goldberg as not being a star by comparing him to Kurt Angle just plain isn't fair. Who WOULD be a star under that comparison? I don't think even Flair in his prime would stack up on paper to Kurt Angle.

Goldberg DOES have to be booked a certain way, yes. But he doesn't have to kill guys EVERY week like the WWE thinks. They don't have the roster of mid-carders like WCW had. They also can't put Goldberg out there against Haku for 6 weeks straight like WCW could because WCW was seen as fans as a wrestling show, and RAW is seen as a bullshit show (enjoyable bullshit or not, it's still all bullshit). The good part for the WWE is that they don't have to book Goldberg week after week. WCW already gave him the mystique, the WWE just has to get their head out of their ass and use it. Personally, if the best they can do with Goldberg is have him be the 'mystery surprise opponent' week after week like the Big Show did for almost a year, than that's just more proof to me that the guys running the ship are no longer capable of doing their jobs (Vince, Patterson, whoever).


    His workrate sucks, his mic skills suck, he's a danger to other wrestlers' heat, health and morale, and he just doesn't mesh well with the current roster


So I guess we're getting rid of RVD while we're at it as well?


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(edited by Tribal Prophet on 13.1.04 2220)


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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.15
First to LotusMegami, I wasn't taking a shot at Lesnar, he's one of my favourite wrestlers and has grown tremendously but he was shoved down our throats and that's not a bad thing. They set out to make him a star, he stumbled a lot early and they could have pulled the plug with the horrible King Of The Ring performance but they kept on pushing and pushing. They had Rock, Hogan, and finally Undertaker all go down to him in an effort to make him a top guy. Is he drawing? Not anymore or less then anyone else but he's accepted as a Main Eventer.

To ParagonOfVirtue, I agree that WWE should cut their losses with Goldberg after WrestleMania because it's obvious Vince has lost his touch. The man that once sold Zeus as a PPV Main Eventer tried to put a square peg into a round hole with Goldberg. I agree with their thought of putting him with Lesnar because it will help Lesnar. Goldberg's still a big star regardless of the bad booking, he still gets the biggest reactions on RAW, and he's only gone down to Triple H so a clean final loss to Lesnar would really help Lesnar. Lesnar can claim he ran Goldberg out of WWE. But it could have all meant a lot more had they booked Goldberg to his strengths and not exposed his weaknesses over the past year.
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.66
    Originally posted by LotusMegami
    Any wrestler who has to be at the top to get over doesn't deserve to be there.


So then Brock doesn't deserve it?

And I also don't see where fuelinjected made a cheap shot against Brock, rather than stated the facts. And like Tribal said, Goldberg fits more of the criteria on your list than he doesn't. "When he shows strength, it isn't just an act." And how can you tell that it *is* one with Goldberg, seeing how Goldberg is actually bigger in size than Brock is? "What happened at the peak is no longer important. Right now Kurt Angle has the ability to be a star - because he has substance. Goldberg never did." Well then why does it seem like Goldberg will be more likely to be remembered than Brock will? (Yes, that WAS a cheap shot.)



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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.32
The thing I have to say is, why is it, on the same Raw where I have to witness Goldberg demolishing Matt Hardy:Version One, do I hafta see Mark Henry going over Chris Jericho? Cut me open and pour salt in the wound...


And, has anybody noticed these bruises Trish Stratus has been showing off lately in her backstage Raw skits ????
Are they trying to say she's tough(or getting her ass kicked too much) or that her boyfriend's abusive?


Anyway(not to change the subject), Smackdown:Here Comes The Pain is a kickass wrestling game, but, it's still not perfect.


(edited by headlock on 13.1.04 2318)


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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.80
The simple fact is that Goldberg only drew once in his entire career, when he was first pushed in WCW. WCW then killed him off as a draw by having no idea what to do with him once he lost, the terrible heel turn, and so on and so forth.

He meant absolutely nothing to WCW's ratings or financial bottom line for the final year of the company, probably longer. He meant nothing at all to WWE's ratings when he joined the company. And yet despite all evidence to the contrary, this notion continues to be put forward that he was going to come into WWE and do trillions of dollars worth of business.

It's a joke. It's a myth. It's time to wake up and smell the coffee already. Did WWE handle him poorly in the beginning? Absolutely. But that has nothing to do with this. They could have constructed the absolute ideal push for Goldberg, executed it to perfection, and he still would not have been any bigger of a draw than anyone else.

What's going to draw people in is something new, something fresh, not someone who peaked five years ago. Goldberg was never the answer to anything.
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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.56
Tribal:
"Hell, he's scarier looking than Brock anyway. Partly because Brock still has the face of a 12 year old boy..."

That is part of why Brock is scarier for me. There is something unsettling about the way that he casual pulls off an act of violence and then pulls an evil child-like grin. Creepy.



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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.36
If they booked Goldberg the same way he was booked in WCW, it would be the dullest thing around...because we've already seen him pound countless people with his knees, his fists, spear, jackhammer, 1-2-3. Yawn.."been there, done that, is it WCW Saturday Night again?" kind of thing.

I'm not entirely sure, however, that Goldberg was given a fair shake, either. Considering the heat he has with HHH, I don't see how he would have had a successful outing in the company. I mean, come on! If the company was smart, they could have kept the title on him when he did his quickie tour of Japan. Heck, on SD!, they rarely defend the US title, and their champ is on the injured list...

I look at it like this...this is called WWE, or WORLD Wrestling Entertainment. North America isn't the centre of the world; bringing the title to Japan would have offered an incredible opportunity to showcase the WWE to its fans across the seas.

Did the WWE drop the ball? Who knows? I'm not too certain we'll really know if Goldberg can do anything (more) in WWE. If he does indeed leave after WrestleMania XX, I'd like to see him head somewhere he'd be APPRECIATED, like in TNA or maybe back in Japan.



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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.55
For as much as people are saying that Goldberg hasn't gotten over well with the fans in the WWE, I was surprised to see that everyone in the camera's view in the stands Monday was STANDING when Goldberg was getting ready to spear Matt. That surprised me- I didn't think the fans cared for Goldberg much.
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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.03
Not to mention Goldberg makes merchandise money for them, his T-shirt is currently the #5 selling T-shirt behind Austin, HBK, HHH, and Evolution.

You guys cant look at Goldberg from an internet fan perspective. We are in the minority as far as number of wrestling fans. Joe and Jane 12pack love Goldberg, they love seeing him spear and jackhammer people. Since they are the majority of people that buy the shirts, buy the PPVs, buy tickets to house shows and other live events, then they are the people the WWE has to appease. If you guys want Matt Hardy to succeed so much, buy his merchandise, buy tickets to shows and bring signs, and cheer for him during his matches. Incidently, when Matt Hardy came out he got an OK pop this week, when Goldberg came out the place went nuts, same thing for every big move Goldberg did during the match.

(edited by Doc_whiskey on 14.1.04 0746)


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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.76
Exactly.....saying that the most over guy with the crowd on the roster needs to have the "plug pulled" on him is ridiculous by any stretch.....



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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.44
I got really mix feelings on this, and there's a lot of different aspects that got touched here. First off the complaint that the IWC "journalists" whining about how Goldberg needs to be pushed like he did in WCW. That is such bullcrap IMO. That push too is what killed off WCW, you push one too strongly over the good of the entire group and you destroyed any potential opponents. That's what ruined WCW, after he won then "Who's next" became "Now what?"... Hell we are living in an era where HHH buried the entire Raw roster so much so that no one seems like a credible contender and WWE is forced to bring guys out of the woodwork (Steiner, Nash) and have their first feuds in to be with HHH because they are lucky enough not to be around during the mass heat stealing from HHH. Why do the ICW want Goldberg to come around with his wagon and just add more dirt?

Tribal said it well, WCW already ruined themselves to get the guy over, so WWE is in luck they don't have to do it again. I get sick when the ICW media keeps saying, Goldberg needs to squash everyone. I'm happy Christian got some offense in during their Cage match when Goldberg was in the WWE. A 10-minute Rock/Goldberg PPV match is certainly better then a 3-minute squash of Goldberg over Rock in this PPV purchaser opinion... I wonder if the IWC-media actually buy their PPV's, I actually know one Meltzer buddies radio show who must see it at a bar because they have a radio show right after PPV. But for someone who puts down $30 with friends to get the PPV, There better not be a 3-minute heavily hyped squash match between Goldberg and whoever. I'd rather have a below average 10-minute match (atleast I could make fun of it) then a squash match that has no redeeming quality.

I'm not a Goldberg fan, he's 1 dimensional in athletics & personality. I personally can't get behind the guy. When he beat HHH for the title I thought "Oh great, from all the people why him" but quickly learned to live with it & was certainly better then the alternative. Sure there's a handful of guys I'd rather see on top, but unfortunately because of the goings on in the last 2 years majority of them are not in position to be Champion. Goldberg could. His 1 dimensional ass was better the The Game's Power Trip. If you want to look at ratings, Goldberg got the title in September right when MNF started & the ratings stayed stable in the high 3. He lost it in December when MNF season ended & the ratings has actually went down. Hmm HHH losing the title right before MNF season & winning it back right when the season ended, how coincidental. Goldberg's not the greatest champ, but he's the best we got for now.




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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.91
    Originally posted by fuelinjected
    And Matt Hardy still wouldn't draw anywhere near what Goldberg did in WCW. I like Matt Hardy but he doesn't have "it", Goldberg does. "It" is an intangible that few have.


If Matt Hardy doesn't have "it", then how is it that he was getting pops in spite of his lack of push? He got those pops based purely on his unique, self-created character and fresh wrestling style. If the company had actually got behind him, he could have easily been one of the top stars in the company.
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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.76
    Originally posted by InVerse
    If Matt Hardy doesn't have "it", then how is it that he was getting pops in spite of his lack of push? He got those pops based purely on his unique, self-created character and fresh wrestling style. If the company had actually got behind him, he could have easily been one of the top stars in the company.


Wow, I didn't know that Matt's career is over. When did that happen?

(edited by King Of Crap on 14.1.04 1037)


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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.15
    Originally posted by InVerse
    If Matt Hardy doesn't have "it", then how is it that he was getting pops in spite of his lack of push? He got those pops based purely on his unique, self-created character and fresh wrestling style. If the company had actually got behind him, he could have easily been one of the top stars in the company.


His reputation as a teenie bopper babyface from the hot period? He was getting those pops when he was getting buried on Heat the last time around.

He's good and I think he should be pushed a lot higher on the card but he's missing something to be a Main Eventer.

It was so simple with Goldberg. They didn't need to make him the future of the company or even feed everyone to him. They just needed to keep him in short squashes on TV against guys that'll never get to the Main Event and short PPV matches where he doesn't have to sell too much. When they did the Rock and Jericho matches, the crowd started to turn on Goldberg when he was selling too long because that's not the Goldberg they wanted yet. They should have kept him super strong all year and then have him put over one of the up-and-coming stars in his last match at Mania. That way they would have gotten a year of fresh Main Events and a new long-term superstar in the end.
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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.76
Goldberg has skinny legs.

I'm not surprised at the bitching about Matt Hardy losing, I'm just surprised that it took so long.



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