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Right now Cena reminds me of Rock before he went face. The fans really want to cheer him but can't. Cena should be the WWE's biggest draw and its time they let him reach that level.

At SSeries I would have him join Angles team. In the end it comes down to: Cena vs. Lesnar & Big Show. Somehow Cena manages to pull it out and eliminate both of them. This would allow him to turn face and start a feud with Big Show in which he can win the U.S. Title. He can have a strong title run, drop it and then go for the world.

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Cena's got some talent but I would hardly compare him to the Rock yet both on the mic or in the ring. His raps can be pretty humorous but he just doesn't have the charisma of the Rock. AND he's even farther behind in the ring. If you put the Rock in a big main event match then you're guranteed to be entertained, you can't say that about Cena. Still I could see him making a run at the US title. But his World Title shot will have to wait.



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Bull Buchanan said that Cena is the next Rocky in an interview I heard on www.audiowrestling.com (after he was let go). He said that Cena was amazing in OVW, when he didn't do any kind of rapper gimmick.
He does have a long way to go in the ring, but his match with Angle was the best of No Mercy(you have to be able to put on good matches with the best before you can put on good matches with anybody).
Although, the rapping gimmick has really made Cena popular, I think it kind of hurts him in the long wrong. He can't be a rapper for his entire career. Look at the greats of today, Stone Cold, the Rock, Shawn Michaels, Kurt Angle. They didn't change gimmicks after they had made it big.





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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.01
I think Cena definitley has what it takes to be the next Rock. His mic work is excellent and is the type that gets fans into it. His character is massively over with the crowd. The hip-hop, wants to be black thing is in nowadays, which means the fans can relate to him. And he has that ability that (I feel, if given the chance) he can talk asses into seats.

And that's the most important thing. Yes, a great match is a great match. I love a great match. But that's not what draws crowds to arenas. Characters and storylines do. Cena definitley has the type of character that people would pay money to see.

Of course, I think Cena is way better than people give him credit for. Remember, Cena is still fairly new to the business. It was just a few years ago that there was a documentary showing him applying to start at a wrestling school. And remember, Rock was FAR from great in the ring when he first started with WWF. Personally, I feel Cena is further along with his in-ring ability than Rock was at this stage in his career. And if WWE continues to have Cena work with Benoit and Angle every night, I think his ability should improve rapidly.

Overall, I feel John Cena could definitley be the next big star in this business. All he needs is WWE to get fully behind him and start pushing him. However, with his recent losses to the SmackDown "big three" (Brock Lesnar, Undertaker, Kurt Angle), and the way WWE has handled the push of other wrestlers who caught fire with the crowd (Chris Jericho, Rob Van Dam, Booker T, Chris Benoit, Eddie Guerrero, etc), I'm not so sure WWE's willing to hold up it's end of the deal.



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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.05
You're not putting nearly enough emphasis on the in-ring work. Cena is solid enough that it shouldn't make or break him, but WWE fans have been spoiled by the level of talent in the company the past several years. Look what happened to Scott Steiner when he couldn't cut it, he got booed out of town.

Don't forget, what broke the Rock out as a superstar was not his microphone work, it was the great (for the time) ladder match he had with Triple H where the crowd started cheering him towards the end. From that point on he got main event level crowd reactions, and they put the world title on him just a few months later. Cena has not had that break-out match yet, and won't unless he keeps improving.
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I just got back from the SD house show tonight, where they tried to push Cena as the babyface. He got a decent reaction, and a good babyface pop, but as soon as the rap ended (and I'll confess that it was amusing), there wasn't much heat at all for the actual match. The crowd was more into an Orlando Jordan/Rhyno match.



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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.22
"Don't forget, what broke the Rock out as a superstar was not his microphone work, it was the great (for the time) ladder match he had with Triple H where the crowd started cheering him towards the end. From that point on he got main event level crowd reactions, and they put the world title on him just a few months later. Cena has not had that break-out match yet, and won't unless he keeps improving."

Well, that's just not true. Rocky was mad over as a face in late '98 for just being a smart-mouth asshole who always verbally punked his opponents out. He was getting face heat way before the SS ladder match. And while that was a great match, it was is no way the beginning of "Rock: Super-Worker". He had a loooong way to go before being the great in-ring performer he is now-check his matches at SurSer '98, Rock Bottom, Over The Edge '99, KOTR '99...



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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.01
The Rock mostly got over because of his awesome mic work (filled with cool catchphrases that people could chant along with) and awesome personality.

VERY few people get over based on ring-work alone. Hardy Boyz, Rob Van Dam, Rey Misterio, and Chris Benoit got over mainly because of their ring-work. Other than that, it's been people's characters and personalities that draws the crowd to a person.



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I would say his character had a lot to do with it but I think you are still underestimating wrestling ability. Today's fans what enojoyable matches that's why THe Rock, Jericho, Angle, Benoit, Lesnar, Eddie are so popular. They deliver in both. Cena hasn't even had one match that I know if that is memorable. And I still don't see why everyone likes his mic skills. He's good but I wouldn't even put him in the same sentence as the Rock (except for that sentence saying he shouldn't be in a sentence with him). I mean the Rock is hands down #1 in the business and you're ready to put John Cena up there with him at #1. No way. Plus I think the rap gimmick is stupid. He's supposed to be tough because he can rhyme? Wow. I haven't seen anyone as tough as him since Mother Goose.

Sure he could be a star one day but right now he's way down the list as far as i'm concerned. Of course what could help is if they ever gave him an actually long term feud (and i'm not talking about with Albert). I mean THe Rock had Stone Cold and Triple H. Benoit had Jericho and Angle. Angle had well just about everyone i've already said. Eddie had RVD, Edge, and Benoit. But Cena they don't seem to want to give a serious feud. The Eddie feud was looking good but it just kind of went away. He feueded with Benoit for like two weeks at one point, what happened to that? Against Undertaker he isn't taken seriously and against Kurt they do stupid things like rap-offs. Give him a good long term feud with Lesnar, Eddie, Kurt or Benoit and see what that does.



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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.22
"I would say his character had a lot to do with it but I think you are still underestimating wrestling ability. Today's fans what enojoyable matches that's why THe Rock, Jericho, Angle, Benoit, Lesnar, Eddie are so popular. They deliver in both. Cena hasn't even had one match that I know if that is memorable."

Cena Vs. The Undertaker, Vengeance
Cena Vs. Eddie Guerrero, Parking Lot Brawl, SmackDown
Cena Vs. Kurt Angle, No Mercy

And did you see the Heat before No Mercy? His vigorous tearing apart of a planted fan was one of the most awesome things I've seen since forever. It was so good it got the fans chanting for him-when he was scheduled to fight number one babyface Kurt Angle later that night. Cena's ready, he can hang with the established players, the crowd dig him. Put him where he belongs.



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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.01
    Originally posted by Quezzy
    And I still don't see why everyone likes his mic skills. He's good but I wouldn't even put him in the same sentence as the Rock (except for that sentence saying he shouldn't be in a sentence with him). I mean the Rock is hands down #1 in the business and you're ready to put John Cena up there with him at #1. No way. Plus I think the rap gimmick is stupid. He's supposed to be tough because he can rhyme? Wow. I haven't seen anyone as tough as him since Mother Goose.


The rap gimmick is what's in today. It's something that the fans (especially the younger ones) can really identify with and relate to. A lot of kids today wanna' be like John Cena's character. That is EXACTLY the same thing that got Austin and Rock over as mega-stars. They were hip to what people at the time wanted to be. In 1999, people wanted to be the guy that said "Fuck you" to authority. They wanted to be the cool guy like The Rock. Nowadays, John Cena's type of personality is 'in'. And I WOULD put his mic-skills up to The Rock's. The Rock was the
#1 guy in the business on the stick. But times have changed. Cena's interview style is much different from The Rock's, but it's also much more in tune to today's public. People obviously get into his interviews and his character. They are excited when the hear his music hit, or see his face appear on the big screen. They know that they are about to be entertained. They look forward to seeing him every Thursday on SmackDown. THAT'S a gimmick that can draw money. All Cena needs is a chance.

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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.58
    Originally posted by oldschoolhero


    Cena Vs. The Undertaker, Vengeance
    Cena Vs. Eddie Guerrero, Parking Lot Brawl, SmackDown
    Cena Vs. Kurt Angle, No Mercy

    And did you see the Heat before No Mercy? His vigorous tearing apart of a planted fan was one of the most awesome things I've seen since forever. It was so good it got the fans chanting for him-when he was scheduled to fight number one babyface Kurt Angle later that night. Cena's ready, he can hang with the established players, the crowd dig him. Put him where he belongs.


Undertaker vs. Cena? Memorable because it sucked maybe. The parking lot brawl was mediocre at best. Angle match I'll give you becuase I haven't watched it yet. And yeah that was a great rap he did on Heat. But come on, do you really think he comes up with that off the top of his head? No. he knows what he's going to say ahead of time. So his gimmick is completely bogus. And they cheered because they were supposed to. WRestling is staged remember?


    Originally posted by OMEGA

      The rap gimmick is what's in today. It's something that the fans (especially the younger ones) can really identify with and relate to. A lot of kids today wanna' be like John Cena's character. That is EXACTLY the same thing that got Austin and Rock over as mega-stars. They were hip to what people at the time wanted to be. In 1999, people wanted to be the guy that said "Fuck you" to authority. They wanted to be the cool guy like The Rock. Nowadays, John Cena's type of personality is 'in'. And I WOULD put his mic-skills up to The Rock's. The Rock was the
      #1 guy in the business on the stick. But times have changed. Cena's interview style is much different from The Rock's, but it's also much more in tune to today's public. People obviously get into his interviews and his character. They are excited when the hear his music hit, or see his face appear on the big screen. They know that they are about to be entertained. They look forward to seeing him every Thursday on SmackDown. THAT'S a gimmick that can draw money. All Cena needs is a chance.

      (edited by OMEGA on 2.11.03 1656)


    No no no, Rap might be as popular as it has ever been but for every person who loves rap there are atleast and equal amount or even more that hates rap. Maybe where you're from people want to be like Cena, and that's pretty sad if they do. But where i'm people despise morons like that. And saying his mic skills are as good as The Rock is just stupid.



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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.22
So basically, your argument against Cena is "I don't like him, therefore nobody else should".

"And yeah that was a great rap he did on Heat. But come on, do you really think he comes up with that off the top of his head? No. he knows what he's going to say ahead of time. So his gimmick is completely bogus."

Cena writes all his own stuff. I tihnk it's a little harsh to hate on the guy's mic skills because he puts his material together beforehand-and I'd like to see Rock freestyle for four solid minutes.

"And they cheered because they were supposed to. WRestling is staged remember?"


What the Hell are you talking about? So the crowd are just monkeys who flap their hands together when a big neon sign tells them to? Why in Hell would WWE encourage mad face heat for a guy going against their number one babyface? Did you see any guys waving placards with "Chant Cena" written on them?

"Maybe where you're from people want to be like Cena, and that's pretty sad if they do. But where i'm people despise morons like that."

Do you realise what an arrogant ass you sound like saying stuff like that? I'd imagine it's much cooler to talking about "licking a monkey's nipple" where you're from, right? That's what makes The Rock so great, apparently.





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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.58
No my argument is that tons of people don't like him. If even if you and whoever else likes him it still doesn't make him as good as THE ROCK, we're talking about the number one guy in the business and Cena isn't even top 10. This is just a ridiculous argument.

And yes they do tell you to cheer, i've been there before. And no there weren't guys with flash cards on screen, that would be pretty stupid to have them on screen.

And sure the Rock might have his own material prepared but Cena's GIMMICK is that HE IS a freestyler. But he's not freestylin, he writes it and memorizes and says it. That's not freestylin, that's a phony. And I don't care if i sound like an arrogant ass. People who act like wiggers are moronic losers.



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Ringwork isn't going to make the next Rock. Natural charisma and the ability to have the crowd eating out of his hand will, though.

The People's Elbow was a total joke the first time he did it, and it totally broke any suspension of disbelief the crowd had, but it caught on.

Cena has all of the talent to be the next Rock or Kurt Angle. Anyone who has seen his other work outside of WWE can vouch for that. I don't think that, in his current gimmick, he can make it to that level, though. His raps are great, they're funny, and Cena can get the crowd going, but he'll hit a ceiling at some point because he relies too much on a gimmick to get himself over.

Cena has to get to the point where he's multidimensional, and in order to do that, he has to grow out of the rapping gimmick. I think he's ready for that at any time, though.

Survivor Series would be a good place to start.
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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.86
    Originally posted by Quezzy
    And sure the Rock might have his own material prepared but Cena's GIMMICK is that HE IS a freestyler. But he's not freestylin, he writes it and memorizes and says it. That's not freestylin, that's a phony. And I don't care if i sound like an arrogant ass. People who act like wiggers are moronic losers.


Seems like it was on this board (but it could have been elswhere) where someone saw Cena in a restaurant, wrote down their own freestyle and gave it to him to see what he thought... and he immediately freestyled on the guy, ripping on both him and the stuff he wrote in his rap. So he's perfectly capable of freestyling, whether he does it every time on TV or not. Personally, I'd rather he wrote them in advance, it's not phony, it's called working to ensure better television.

But let me get your whining straight... wiggers are okay, but people that pretend to be wiggers aren't?
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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.13
I think I remember reading somewhere that he *has* to plan his raps in advance in order to get them approved by creative.
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#18 Posted on
Most "freestyles" have been previously written by rappers. Very few are made up on the spot.

And Cena promos are more interesting then the Rocks ever were. Rock relied heavily on catchphrases and Cena has steered clear of that. The Rocks promos also started becoming repetetive and I can never see that happening Cena's. Cena also pushes him gimmick outside the ring like at freestyling at autograph signings. This adds to the fact that Cena would be great at public relations and as a WWE posterboy like Rock was.

If I started a fed Cena is the main guy I would want to build it around.



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I agree with TI....Cena is a guy that you could build around, he has talent, good in-ring ability, a strong looking finisher, and is a good looking guy (according to my sister). Hell, he would be the first guy I would select to build a budding federation around.

I have read on other sites where people have met Cena on the street and he will freestyle for 5 minutes, that to me is pretty damn impressive.

I just think Vince is afraid to give someone else a chance to run with the ball. Be it Eddie (who gets crazy pops and his speech last week really added some depth to his character), Matt Hardy, RVD (who too gets crazy pops) Y2J (the most underrated guy in all of wrestling today), Benoit or the afformentioned Cena. Two guys that we never see, Spanky and Paul London, would get crazy pops because of their work, but Vince doesn't want to try something new.

Trying something new is what brought the WWF to a billion dollar company. If you ask me, I can't figure out why UT has become this ridiculously unstoppable force, but make guys like Eddie (who should be the present of the WWE) and Hardy (who is the future) job to a guy who looks like a before picture from Xenadrine commercials and a guy who will probably be a backstage interviewer next year is just poor business practice.

Personally, I can't wait to see Cena on Angle's team, I see some funny stuff on Heat with him rapping about the team and Benoit telling him to shut his mouth, then have Cena freestyle on him with Angle breaking up the fights with a comedic style.
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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.73
I want to see Cena break out. The guy has big talent, IMO, even if it's still a little raw. The rapper gimmick IS limited, but it could go for a while yet and probably should. I don't know if it's "time"--his time will almost inevitably come, I think. There's nothing wrong with staying in the midcard for a while and getting experience before you are pushed to the moon.

Putting Cena through the system is probably the best way to build him for the long run--he's being tested, he's getting a feel for things, he's carving out his spot. I don't have any sense that he is being held down. But of course Vince can always prove me wrong.

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