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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.13
John McCain's running mate, Governor of Alaska, younger & less experienced than Obama. I do believe he may have given up.

It is interesting that the VP candidates mirror the opposition's Presidential candidates, making it harder for McCain to go negative on Obama's experience.

(edited by Zundian on 29.8.08 1000)

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    Originally posted by Zundian
    I do believe he may have given up.

    (edited by Zundian on 29.8.08 0946)

Wow - really? It's the VP. Who the VP is won't sway many votes.
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Well, I was hoping for Palin or Romney, so I am pretty happy. The VP usually is relatively inexperienced (compared to the President) and usually has a different set of skills.
Palin's a Governor, albeit a newer one. She's been governor for two years less than Obama's been Senator - but she hasn't been running for President for two years either. Prior to that, they had similar statewide experience: Palin was a City Mayor and head of the state's Conference of Mayors, while Obama was a state legislator. So you could say she is the only one of the four candidates who has any sort of executive branch of government experience - the other three are legislative branch folks.

Her husband is a native American and a commercial fisherman. She also worked as a commercial fisherman.

She sold her state's private jet because she didn't need it.

and she must have played monopoly, becase she came in second in a beauty contest (Miss Alaska) and got a scholarship to college with that.

she had a minor scandal with some guy that was fired asserting he was fired because she wanted to keep some relative, but I read that they haven't had to subpoena and that it seems like all the charges are going to come to naught.

I like this choice. Maybe the Republicans get 10% of Hillary voters out of this?

(edited by AWArulz on 29.8.08 1125)


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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.13
    Originally posted by AWArulz

    she had a minor scandal with some guy that was fired asserting he was fired because she wanted to keep some relative, but I read that they haven't had to subpoena and that it seems like all the charges are going to come to naught.
    (edited by AWArulz on 29.8.08 1125)


It was the Commissioner of Public Safety who was dismissed because he wouldn't fire her ex-Brother-in-Law.

Also, being Mayor of a village of 5,400 or Governor of a state of 650,000 with little infrastructure isn't the same as running a country of 304,000,000.

She's a female Dan Quayle with less experience.



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An interesting choice on McCain's part. I can see the theory that maybe some of the PO'd Hillary supporters will vote for McCain. I don't think it will work enough. Also while the Pacific Northwest has voted Democrat the last few elections it is possible for the GOP to make Oregon and Washington at least in play for themselves. Anytime you can make the other party spend time and money on the defense isn't time and money they can spend of the offense.
I am glad though that both parties are finally breaking the dual white male ticket. It's pretty embarrassing that both parties have had exactly one person on their tickets that wasn't a white man.




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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.92
    Originally posted by AWArulz

    I like this choice. Maybe the Republicans get 10% of Hillary voters out of this?

    (edited by AWArulz on 29.8.08 1125)


I doubt it but maybe. I think he is trying to regain the maverick, reformer image plus look I picked a WOMAN.

And with him, I think Veep is more important than for Obama with McCain's age and his fairly constant stumbling over himself.

Finally, is this a Dan Quayle pick, in that he is going to win this himself?

Mcain's challenge IMHO is that when push comes to shove people think locally and economically and the foreign relations stuff pales when times are tough. He just seems out of touch. He really needs to study Bush the Elders 1992 campaign.



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    Originally posted by Zundian
    Also, being Mayor of a village of 5,400 or Governor of a state of 650,000 with little infrastructure isn't the same as running a country of 304,000,000.

    She's a female Dan Quayle with less experience.

Funny, I remember hearing a very similar argument about a former Arkansas governor in 1992. And, the Arkansas governor happened to be running for President, not VP.

As far as the female Dan Quayle opinion, I'd like to see something substantive backing that opinion. From what little I've read, she seems to have done well. And, a budget hawk, even as VP, would be very welcome in the Executive branch. My gut reaction is that I like it, but I still don't know that much about her. Regardless, the VP selection isn't going to sway my opinion much one way or the other.
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.04
    Originally posted by Zundian

    She's a female Dan Quayle with less experience.


It's interesting that you're saying that as a negative about Palin when, aside from the female part, it also describes a presidential candidate pretty well.

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I don't know if I like her for VP, but if she wants to come to Illinois and take over as governor that would be more than fine.



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    Originally posted by Zundian


    Also, being Mayor of a village of 5,400 or Governor of a state of 650,000 with little infrastructure isn't the same as running a country of 304,000,000.

    She's a female Dan Quayle with less experience.


At least Dan Quayle had been in the US senate for a years at the point of being elected. Oh yeah, he WAS elected. That's right.

Quayle - 8 years in the Senate at the time of his election to the Vice Presidency. He also served two terms at the US Representative from one of the Indiana districts prior to that. prior to that he held some minor state offices. Prior to that he practiced law and helped run the family business.

Obama - 3 years plus in the US Senate (of which he has missed more that 70% of the votes during that period). Prior to that, nearly 8 years in the state legislature, and was destroyed (2 to 1) in the democratic primary when he ran for US representative in 2000. Prior to that he taught Law School for 12 years and served on many community boards

Similar experience? I think. One's running for president though.


(edited by AWArulz on 29.8.08 1223)


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Palin is Pro-Life and Anti-Gay. That's the voting block McCain was missing. As far as Mitt, he's one of those Mormons...can't have THAT, obviously

Re: the whole experience thing - good point on Clinton. And the "because the lack of it" non-vote is what keeps jackals like McCain and Biden in office

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Give them credit - they did an excellent job of keeping it secret. I was actually believing it would be ol' T-Paw, but I'd much rather keep him here through the end of his term. THEN, he can go run for president.

I do hope Tim gets his chance to be interviewed on MSNBC, though - maybe he could do something about Olbermann's constant guffawing every time he said his name last night.

All I know about Palin is that Craig Ferguson has a crush on her, but that makes her all right with me. ;-)




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    Originally posted by DrDirt
    He really needs to study Bush the Elders 1992 campaign.


Just like Obama needs to study McGovern's from 72.



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Here' the problem I have with selecting Palin. Note, I don't know if I have a problem with her politics or not - I don't know them. I just want to present my issue with the selection.

The VP should be the second most qualified (or the most qualified potentially) person in the party to run the country. There should be serious consideration given to what would happen if this person became the president.

When I look at this choice, it doesn't seem to me that that reasoning is on the table. When you look at the entire Republican party, I just don't think that this person was the second most qualified person in the party to be our president.

I know it is all politics, but dammit, sometimes you have to cover the most basic premise of the position.

I'm not saying she would be a bad VP. I don't know. She might even be the best presidential option behind McCain. She's going to have to do a lot to convince me of that, though. Right now, this just looks like desperate pandering trying to get the Hillary vote away from Obama.




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This is probably the most interesting Presidential election I have ever seen. I wish less Vice Presidents would run (ala Dick Cheney) after the 8 year term ends, because it's so much more exciting when the field is completely open and we end up with interesting picks on both sides. We see Republicans and Democrats fighting each other (Republican on Republican and vice-versa) tooth and nail, compromising, and making more "out of the box" choices.

Good pick by McCain. It's all anyone is talking about this morning, and gives his ticket a more "common man (or woman)" vibe. It's always risky going with someone the voters have no clue about, but that's what makes it exciting. No matter what, we're going to have something different in January 2009.

I'm voting for Obama, but I don't think we're fucked if McCain wins.

(edited by SKLOKAZOID on 29.8.08 1037)
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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.46
McCain's going after the Hillary votes now. It was a good move.

To Quote Rush, "Babies, Guns, Jesus, Hot Damn!"

(edited by CajunMan on 29.8.08 1241)
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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.61
    Originally posted by Corajudo
      Originally posted by Zundian
      Also, being Mayor of a village of 5,400 or Governor of a state of 650,000 with little infrastructure isn't the same as running a country of 304,000,000.

      She's a female Dan Quayle with less experience.

    Funny, I remember hearing a very similar argument about a former Arkansas governor in 1992. And, the Arkansas governor happened to be running for President, not VP.


Well, now, wait a minute, Clinton was governor of Arkansas was well over a decade. That's certainly more time as an executive than just two years as a governor.

And it should be said, of course, that experience is far from the only determining factor. Why is experience necessarily a good thing? Everyone knows at least one person at their office who has been there forever and yet is completely incompetent.

Palin is a good pick on the surface, but tapping someone from Alaska lets the Democrats bring up a) the impossibly corrupt Ted Stevens and Don Young and b) how much that state is threatened by oil companies. Also, Palin's a creationist, so strike three. Biden is going to go to town in the VP debate.

(edited by Big Bad on 29.8.08 1355)

(edited by Big Bad on 29.8.08 1356)

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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.92
    Originally posted by AWArulz
      Originally posted by DrDirt
      He really needs to study Bush the Elders 1992 campaign.


    Just like Obama needs to study McGovern's from 72.



AWA, although McCain is attempting to place him far left, he isn't. McGovern was pretty far out there, especially on the war. And he served his purpose, we had the paris agreements and got out.

Obama also isn't having to repick his veep candidate. He isn't railing against the military and stated last night that we needed to invest in upgrading and repairing the damage the Iraq war has done to our readiness.

It amazes me that Hillary and Obama are "socialists and left of karl Marx" when in McGovern's day there views would be considered moderate.

And to the Dan Quayle comment I made. I am not saying she isn't sharp but that Bush the Elder picked Quayle so when he won, he could say it was his win soley.



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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.81
    Originally posted by AWArulz
      Originally posted by DrDirt
      He really needs to study Bush the Elders 1992 campaign.


    Just like Obama needs to study McGovern's from 72.


So the consensus is that both the candidates are losers, and thus, nobody's a winner in all of this?

I don't believe that an ex-beauty queen brings that everywoman vote that Hillary had, not that Hillary's even an everywoman. It could easily be dismissed as a ploy to attract disenfranchised Dems who really wanted Hillary in office, but the differences between the two are too vast for that. If going for those who are split on their own party was the goal, than I firmly believe Mike Huckabee would have been tapped. And, as pointed out earlier, who else do you get for the VP slot in the GOP? Ron Paul's too libertarian and defiant of the current administrations policy, Mitt Romney's a two sided coin that could be saint or slimebag depending on the flip, and that leaves it to any given Republican in the country average folks who don't follow the political arena with a microscope due to the fact they're too busy feeding their families, clothing their children, or even just taking time on a hobby could point to and say "We've never heard of them" which leads to an even smaller group saying "ergo they're inexperienced".

The real question is whether Palin can bring a sense of charisma that the McCain camp is lacking (at least in comparison to Obama). As an independent I'll be waiting until a debate or two to see who I'm voting for. I do have until November to make a final decision that may or may not have any impact whatsoever and McCain's directness and Obama's panache could make for some interesting TV.



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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.57
This certainly took the news cycle away from Obama's speech last night, didn't it?

It's a high risk/high reward pick. It allows McCain to be the "agent of change" Obama has claimed to be for so long.

Either way, history gets made in November.
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