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Ladies and gentlemen, the following public service message is brought to you by your friends from D-Generation X, who would like to remind each and every one of you that if you're not down with that, we've got two words for you...

I think I'm pretty nerdy, so when I'm asking for tech help, it's a bit of a doozy, lol.

Recently Mom purchased a new laptop for Dad and I'm trying to get it set up for him. Where I'm running into a problem is adding the folders with his documents, pictures and whatnot (which are stored on a NAS, since they need to be accessible between the laptop and the desktop everyone at home uses) to the Windows libraries. My research indicates that there's only two ways to go about this - make the folders available offline, which is a no-go because the hard drive on the new laptop is a SSD and therefore 1) there isn't enough storage capacity for everything, and 2) even if we'd shelled out for a ridiculous capacity, storing lots of documents on the SSD and running the Search service is going to reduce the lifespan of the drive significantly; or symbolic links.

Trouble is, I can't get the symbolic links to actually WORK. The research I've done indicates that what I need to do is create dummy folders, add those to the libraries, then delete the dummy folders and replace them with the symbolic links. I have no issue getting to the creation of them (from the command prompt with admin rights) but when I try double-clicking on them, I get a "network path is not available" error message. And it's NOT the network, because if I type the direct path (e.g. \\NAS\etc.) into Explorer or I use the letter drive I've mounted for it, both those work fine. Does anyone have any idea what I'm doing wrong?



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Hrm. That whole "create a dummy folder" thing doesn't sound right to me.

I use file-based TrueCrypt volumes all the time for project work and have no problem making them available in libraries. This should be analogous because the mounted TrueCrypt volumes present themselves as mapped drives. When I start up my laptop and the volumes aren't mounted, I see an empty folder where the mount would be.

Maybe try setting up each desired share as a persistently mapped drive and then add those to your Library(ies)? You may have to do separate drive mappings for each folder type (Music, Documents, etc).

Worth a try, anyway.
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Ladies and gentlemen, the following public service message is brought to you by your friends from D-Generation X, who would like to remind each and every one of you that if you're not down with that, we've got two words for you...

    Originally posted by tarnish
    Maybe try setting up each desired share as a persistently mapped drive and then add those to your Library(ies)? You may have to do separate drive mappings for each folder type (Music, Documents, etc).

    Worth a try, anyway.

Already doing this, and in fact this is where I'm running into trouble and getting a error message saying I can't add them unless they're indexed (which they're not because I don't want to run the Windows Search service to degrade the lifespan of the SSD) or they're available offline (which is impossible because there's not enough room on the SSD to accommodate all the files; not that I'd even WANT them on the SSD in the first place).

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While the switch from Cena to RVD should alleviate some complaints, the inevitability of the belt's return to Cena (note where Summerslam is this year) and the poor initial showing by the new ECW are enough to keep the indicator where it is for now. The pieces are in place, though, especially on RAW, for improvements to be made to the IWC's psyche in the near future.
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    Originally posted by Texas Kelly

    Already doing this, and in fact this is where I'm running into trouble and getting a error message saying I can't add them unless they're indexed (which they're not because I don't want to run the Windows Search service to degrade the lifespan of the SSD) or they're available offline (which is impossible because there's not enough room on the SSD to accommodate all the files; not that I'd even WANT them on the SSD in the first place).



Ah. I'm not running an SSD in the system I was referring to nor do I disable Windows Search so I never ran into this.

And any Google searches I've done are pretty obviously the same ones you've done given the suggestions in the results. People seem fairly annoyed with Microsoft over this as the suggestion is they've made this "hard" in order to encourage folks to buy Microsoft-based NAS devices that allow for on-server indexes.

Have you disabled the Windows Search Service completely? If you have you could try leaving it running but disabling the index on the SSD specifically. The index generated for the NAS shares would still be stored on the SSD and will likely be large, but it shouldn't change as much as the index for a system drive which is the real concern.

Also, I put an SSD in my linux desktop a couple of months ago and the research I did suggested that performance and lifespan degradation are often overstated given more modern drives and firmware. As always, YMMV, but other than TRIM, partition alignment, and log and temporary file locations, I ended up not spending a ton of time worrying about these kind of "optimizations". I bought an SSD knowing that performance degrades over time and I realized I was getting too wrapped up in how quickly that might happen. Like buying a nice cutting board and not wanting to use knives on it for fear that it will scratch. That said, I understand that this is not your machine and you're probably looking to delay the next Tech Support call ("My laptop seems slow...") as much as possible.

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Ladies and gentlemen, the following public service message is brought to you by your friends from D-Generation X, who would like to remind each and every one of you that if you're not down with that, we've got two words for you...

    Originally posted by tarnish
    People seem fairly annoyed with Microsoft over this as the suggestion is they've made this "hard" in order to encourage folks to buy Microsoft-based NAS devices that allow for on-server indexes.

Definitely think this has something to do with it, as I had zero trouble adding folders from my Windows Home Server 2011 box to my own desktop machine. And given the hole they've dug for themselves in regards to the XB1, it wouldn't surprise me at all if it was planned that way.

    Originally posted by tarnish
    Have you disabled the Windows Search Service completely? If you have you could try leaving it running but disabling the index on the SSD specifically. The index generated for the NAS shares would still be stored on the SSD and will likely be large, but it shouldn't change as much as the index for a system drive which is the real concern.

Yes, I do have the service disabled completely, but I also deliberately disabled the index on the SSD before disabling the service. I can re-enable the service, but how do I get around the problem that Microsoft wants me to make the shares available offline (which I can't do) in order to index them? I don't think turning search back on will help with the symbolic link problem, so there's got to be some other solution...

    Originally posted by tarnish
    Also, I put an SSD in my linux desktop a couple of months ago and the research I did suggested that performance and lifespan degradation are often overstated given more modern drives and firmware. As always, YMMV, but other than TRIM, partition alignment, and log and temporary file locations, I ended up not spending a ton of time worrying about these kind of "optimizations". I bought an SSD knowing that performance degrades over time and I realized I was getting too wrapped up in how quickly that might happen. Like buying a nice cutting board and not wanting to use knives on it for fear that it will scratch. That said, I understand that this is not your machine and you're probably looking to delay the next Tech Support call ("My laptop seems slow...") as much as possible.

Exactly... and that's why I'm also trying to make it as fool-proof as possible, which is a little more challenging when you're dealing with something like a SSD (but speed was a major issue on Dad's last machine that went belly-up, hence why we went with it). Put it this way... if it were my machine, *I* know I'm going to be careful with the knives, but since it isn't, I can't say the same for someone else. ;)



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smark/net attack Advisory System is Elevatedsmark/net attack Advisory System Status is: Elevated
(Holds; June 18, 2006)
While the switch from Cena to RVD should alleviate some complaints, the inevitability of the belt's return to Cena (note where Summerslam is this year) and the poor initial showing by the new ECW are enough to keep the indicator where it is for now. The pieces are in place, though, especially on RAW, for improvements to be made to the IWC's psyche in the near future.
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