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Albert Pujols had a noon Tuesday deadline for a new contract with the Cardinals. Today a press conference was held to say no deal is signed, with Albert reportedly declining a 7 year $200 million deal.

The last week the local media has been going ape shit over this situation.
All three channels have "is he worth the money" type questions on their website.
You'd think it was the end of times around "cardinal nation".
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I swear if Boston signs him...



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He's worth the money and judging by that offer from the Cardinals, they think so too. It's the length, the number of years, that he may not be worth. 10 years is a hefty pill to swallow.




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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.16
    Originally posted by Lexus
    I swear if Boston signs him...

Considering they are going to be signing Adrian Gonzalez long term, and already have Youkilis, I don't know where they would put him.

If he leaves STL, my first guess for his landing spot would be the Cubs. They have a TON of money clearing out the next two years, they are having some significant slowing in ticket sales, and they have a hole at first after this season. They also are one of the few franchises that could make the 10 year deal and live with a few bad years on that contract.



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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.72
    Originally posted by BoromirMark
    He's worth the money and judging by that offer from the Cardinals, they think so too. It's the length, the number of years, that he may not be worth. 10 years is a hefty pill to swallow.


I agree. He's worth that much money now but not likely 8 or 9 years down the road. If I'm the Cards, I don't pay him what he wants for 10 years. On the other hand, if he's likely to set the home run record, I maight think twice. The year he does it could be huge.



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The Cubs have been planning for this possibility for six months, maybe a year. Though if Alberto is Lebron and the Cardinals are the Cavs, the Cubs seem closer to being the Knicks than the Heat (or even the Bulls.)



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It helps St. Louis that neither Boston or the Yankees can really make a move here, so they're battling it out with the second tier of big-market teams. The Angels seem to shoot themselves in the foot in the free agent market, the Mets and Dodgers are tied up in their respective ownership fiascos, and Texas doesn't have THAT much money to spend, so that eliminates several contenders right there.

It'll come down to the Cardinals, Cubs and Nationals if Pujols actually hits free agency, which I kind of doubt he will given that STL still has a whole year to negotiate. This deadline today was artificial --- if the Cards called Pujols' agent right now and offered the A-Rod contract, the agent isn't saying "Nope, sorry, deadline's passed, see you in October."



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I swear from the thread title I thought this was going to be some big announcement for TGI Friday's restaurant. Maybe it's the fried chicken banner pic.
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.84
    Originally posted by spf
      Originally posted by Lexus
      I swear if Boston signs him...

    Considering they are going to be signing Adrian Gonzalez long term, and already have Youkilis, I don't know where they would put him.

    If he leaves STL, my first guess for his landing spot would be the Cubs. They have a TON of money clearing out the next two years, they are having some significant slowing in ticket sales, and they have a hole at first after this season. They also are one of the few franchises that could make the 10 year deal and live with a few bad years on that contract.







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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.03
To answer the original question, both New York sportsradio stations were talking about it quite a bit today.
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It was the lead story on the Scott Van Pelt Show and the news updates. Van Pelt was arguing that the A-Rod deal made a new standard for contract inflation, and that ten years was too much to commit to.

But he also stated the "deadline" was crap. They can make a deal whenever they want. The most recent update I heard said the money was the issue, not the ten years Pujols sought.



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I think if he goes to the Cubs that will be more of a betrayal then going to NY or Boston. If you believe LaRussa, its the union badgering him about signing. I would think realistically if he looked in the mirror and thought about, he knows 10 years down the road he is going to be that great. Then again, look at Farve and Hershel Walker thinking they can still go. If I were the Cards, do what you can, you were lucky to get him in the first place, the last two years can be farewell tours or you can trade him. I heard Trump said he was thinking about investing in the Mets, now would be a good time for the Cards to sign him before Trump does something besides talk out his ass.
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The conventionally wisdom they are pushing is that 10 years is too long, but 7 or 8 is acceptable. I don't get how you'd let two years scare you away from keeping the best player in the baseball world. Is the two years you're afraid he wont produce not worth the seven or eight years you think he will produce?

They were talking on the local ESPN station about the Rangers getting a new TV deal that will pay $80 million per year, and that the possible ility to extend his career as a DH might make them agree to the ten years.

The other case was the Marlins who have a new building opening, and that when he was given partial no trade clause waivers, he picked the Marlins as the only team on the east Coast he would agree to get traded to.

Right now if the cardinals wont offer what he wants, they better be working on one hell of a blockbuster trade and sign deal or risk coming up empty handed.
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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.84
    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    The conventionally wisdom they are pushing is that 10 years is too long, but 7 or 8 is acceptable. I don't get how you'd let two years scare you away from keeping the best player in the baseball world. Is the two years you're afraid he wont produce not worth the seven or eight years you think he will produce?








They might be thinking give him 7-8 and expect 5-6 good years and you suffer slightly on the back side. Give him 10, and then 40-50% is downside. Think the Yankees would like get out of the last 3-4 years of A-Rod's deal?
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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.63
Buster Olney reported they are $75-100 million apart in salary.
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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.05
Yea, and it's like the Cardinals are tried to get him to sign a contract severely under market value. Rosenthal said it would've made Pujols the 10th highest paid player, somewhere between 19 and 21 mil. Everyone's been expecting 25 mil or higher, probably Albert included, and there's no doubt he could get at least the same deal as the Cardinals in free agency and almost certainly much better.



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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.63
The Cardinals set the stage for this by WAY overpaying Matt Holiday. I'm not saying Holiday is a scrub, but Albert's only worth marginally more? Oh and Adam Wainwright will be a free agent before too long
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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.16
    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    Right now if the cardinals wont offer what he wants, they better be working on one hell of a blockbuster trade and sign deal or risk coming up empty handed.

I believe Albert has no-trade protection and says he will not accept any trade offered to him this season.



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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.63
Personally, I think the Cardinals pretty much came to terms that they wouldn't pay Pujols LAST season when they signed Matt Holliday to his big deal. I think they figured they could build around Holliday, and use the money they'd save on Pujols to sign pitching.
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