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#21 Posted on
I was thinking about this thread last night when I was watching best of the AWA before the WWA PPV came on. They had on some truly old school folks including a Verne Gagne and Mad Dog Vachon vs. Blackwell and Al-Kaisee match. Watching it I realized 2 things:

1- Much of the old territories had the same problem as ECW had later on. There was a vocal and loyal fan base who started to make demands that no one else but them wanted met. To wit, these fans in St. Paul popped huge at Verne and Mad Dog teaming up. Problem is the two of them may have been the least convincing pro wrestlers on earth at this point in their lives, as Verne had to be 60, and looked 10x worse than Flair, and Vachon looked not even half as good as Verne. But because the St. Paul fans had been cheering Verne for 30 years, they loved him going over 2 of the top heels along with the Mad Dog. Same thing watching the old Crusher matches from that era, watching a 60 year old man win matches with a bolo punch.

2- It sucked to watch. Really, it was at about the speed of a Big Show vs. Albert match being watched in slow motion. Even the faster matches like the R&R's vs. Nasty Boys were still grinding affairs. The only match on the show I saw which would have worked nowadays was Flair vs. Magnum TA, but then that's no surprise really. The point is that the pro wrestling of 1980 worked for a fan base who had been watching since 1950, so things looked fine to them. For anyone who's been watching since 1980 though, the old school AWA style is brutal, and this coming from someone who does buy Japanese tapes and has a collection of old 80's wrestling at home.



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#22 Posted on

But maybe, spf2119, the point isn't to compare today with 1980 and say, "well, at least it's not as bad as THAT stuff."

The wrestling business has evolved, and that's a good thing. But in the same way, hasn't the WWF been working off the same TV template for at least six years now? "Wrestling business" years are kinda like dog years: six of 'em is a long f***'in time. The formula's played out -- Maybe it's way past due for another (r)evolution.
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#23 Posted on
Shea: I do totally agree with you. I think the next evolution of the business in America has been seen in flashes of matches like the Benoit/Austin series, or even the Rock/Jericho series. Matches that were longer, intense, mostly ring-based, and about the Title instead of some extraneous circumstances.



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"I thought it was cool how HHH just tossed Jericho out of the ring and made him vanish, possibly into another dimension, at the end of the match." - Dr. Unlikely says the funniest thing I've ever read on Wienerville.

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#24 Posted on

    Originally posted by Weevil
    So why can't they take the good of both times. We used to have bad wrestlers in long matches, now we have good wrestlers in short matches. Why can't we have good wrestlers in long matches using a modern style but also keeping some of the good nuances from the past.


I'm with ya, weevil. Today's production, athleticism, technical ability, body appearance, music, moveset and even most of the gimmicks are far better than the olden days, in my opinion, and yes, I watched back then.
But by the same token, with all of this going for them, the WWF should gradually work technical wrestling and long matches back into the program. We don't want to go back to Dino Bravo/Conquistador squash matches on Prime Time Wrestling, but we do want to see today's stars with today's incredible moves and athletic ability PROPERLY DISPLAYED with excellent wrestling.



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#25 Posted on
I don't think the AWA is really a good example. During the eighties a lot of people criticized them for having too many old-timers on the card. They were always a little behind the other promotions, and that eventually killed them.

The biggest improvement in the television shows today is that you get main event caliber matches and not just squashes. Even the best promotions during the 80s had a ton of squash matches on their shows. And the wrestling is better now, it's just that there's less of it. But I don't really have a desire to have 30 minute matches, unless it's a major title match at the top of the card. Just give me a reason to care about what is going on in the ring.

The main things I wish would be brought back is a sense of a title having meaning, and feuds that progress logically and last longer than a month. I think that would probably make me more interested in what's going on. There are other things that I would like to see but could do without if they brought those two main elements back, like the return of tag teams, heel managers instead of "divas", and meaningful face/heel turns.




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