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#1 Posted on
Let me pose this question for you all. Ever since Edge won King of the Ring last year - at the time some people thought he would be main eventing in a year or 2 tops.

Now, he's been kicking some major ass on SD getting his 9th tag title reign with Rey. And along the way having awesome matches feuds with Chris Jericho, Kurt Angle, Eddie Guerrero and others.

A lot of the criticism I see is that he's either (1) too vanilla; (2) not what he used to be when he was tagging with Christian; (3) he no-sells way too often on offense; (4) his offense is too generic and bland and not main-event caliber.

While a lot of those criticisms are justified in many ways - one has to wonder why the Fed is reluctant to really put this guy over the top. How about you all? Feel it's about time for Edge to have a World Title run? Maybe even hold the thing anytime soon?




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#2 Posted on
Yes but no because Brock shouldn't lose the title for a long time. You don't wanna move Edge to RAW because the internet darling would just eat him alive.
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#3 Posted on

    Originally posted by fuelinjected
    Yes but no because Brock shouldn't lose the title for a long time. You don't wanna move Edge to RAW because the internet darling would just eat him alive.


On the other hand, Edge could play a very effective "Sting" to HHH's "Hogan". If you could avoid the trainwreck that WCW made of the original Sting-Hogan payoff match, and it's follow up, you could have something that would work.

I do agree however, that Edge shouldn't be the one to take Brock's title.



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I agree,I would like to see Edge head over To Raw to play the Sting role.



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#5 Posted on
I think it's something that's an eventuality, but not in the near future. I see the only 3 believeable ways to get the strap off of Brock without stealing his heat at Wrestlemania 2003:

1) Benoit or Angle in best of three falls with different stips for each fall

2) Rocky in rematch

3) Goldberg

While I think Edge has come a long way since KotR, I personally don't see him going over Brock. Of the four I mentioned above, Angle or Benoit could transition the belt to Edge in a realistic fashion. I just don't see any reason to give him a run at the very top right now, especially before Benoit gets a shot or Angle or Brock have further runs.

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#6 Posted on
I don't know why but I've a feeling Edge won't win the World Title (or even get a main-event push) unless he turns heel. I wouldn't mind being wrong, though.



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#7 Posted on
He's much more effective verbally as a heel. It seems he was neutered once he turned face. I think he's ready, though. I think he'd be more effective than when Bret Hart had his first title reign.
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.22
    Originally posted by Kawshen
    A lot of the criticism I see is that he's either (1) too vanilla; (2) not what he used to be when he was tagging with Christian; (3) he no-sells way too often on offense; (4) his offense is too generic and bland and not main-event caliber.


I've always thought he needed a marketable finisher. The Spear is interesting for seeing wrestlers buckle when hit, but that's about it. The Edge-o-cution doesn't seem to get that "finisher" response. I think he could use a "unique" finisher - perhaps the Death Valley Driver - to rally people around him. What do you think?

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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.52
Ooooh, yes. Having Edge pull out the Spicolli Driver as his finisher would simply reek of awesomeness. Edge, of course, stole the Spear from Goldberg (who used it more effectively, for that matter) and the Edge-o-cution is simply uninteresting to me. Hell, even a Superkick would be more convincing to me than the Edge-o-cution, as far as finishers go.

What do you think about the possibility of Edge expanding his horizons and getting a few submission moves, including a submission finisher such as a Scorpion Deathlock or Texas Cloverleaf?



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#10 Posted on
Edge is boring as all hell without christian. Christian carried that team.

and quite frankly Edge only has good matches when he is carried to that level by others.

think about it, "his" best matches have all been against exceptional talents.
eddie
Angle
benoit
all the TLC & speciality matches were carried by Christian
and now he teams with Mysterio.

its no wonder he's overrated but make no mistake about it, he is definetely nowhere near being able to sustain any kind of feud that would be strongly enduring enough to base a Tv show on.



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#11 Posted on

    Originally posted by miknight
    Edge is boring as all hell without christian. Christian carried that team.

    and quite frankly Edge only has good matches when he is carried to that level by others.

    think about it, "his" best matches have all been against exceptional talents.
    eddie
    Angle
    benoit
    all the TLC & speciality matches were carried by Christian
    and now he teams with Mysterio.




OK, I don't want to get anybody hot here or anything, but this is something that kind of irks me a lot. Why is a great Edge match written off because it was against a great talent? If he only has good matches "when he's carried to that level by others", he still reaches that level. Would you expect an Edge vs. Mark Henry match to be on par with an Edge vs. Kurt Angle match? Of course not. The more talent you have in a match, the better the match will be. All his best matches are going to involve good wrestlers, because let's face it, Mark Henry will never be on anybody's "best matches" list.
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#12 Posted on
While we're on that thread, when was the last time you heard anyone praising Eddy vs. Rikishi? It takes 2 talents to make a great match (exception: HHH vs. HBK Summerslam.)
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My answer is- No. Simply because he has no charisma as a face. And that is not his fault- it is the WWE's. It seems like when someone, anyone, gets a pop, they just throw him out there and do nothing with him. Don't touch what ain't broke! Well, that philosophy is the SAME reason the Rock got old, Stone Cold got REALLY old (after the abortive heel turn), Y2-Face got old, and Edge is old now. I mean, what has Edge done as a CHARACTER that was impressive of late? I mean, we all respect ring skill, and Edge is no slouch, but one of the most important parts of the main event is the story that goes with it. And frankly, as he is, I can't see Edge in any sort of interesting feud.
Make him a cool heel... and ask me then...




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#14 Posted on
I think the WWE is waiting for business to do better before they push Edge to the title. I think they have had every intention since the day they brought him in to someday make him champ, but since he is such a homegrown talent, they want everything to be perfect when they make him champ. Rst assured, once business starts going up again, Edge will be getting major, legit shots at the title.
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#15 Posted on

    Originally posted by FurryHippie
    OK, I don't want to get anybody hot here or anything, but this is something that kind of irks me a lot. Why is a great Edge match written off because it was against a great talent? If he only has good matches "when he's carried to that level by others", he still reaches that level. Would you expect an Edge vs. Mark Henry match to be on par with an Edge vs. Kurt Angle match? Of course not.


Difference being, Kurt actually did carry Mark Henry to a decent match a couple months ago, and I doubt Edge could. While I disagree with the playboyeez on a lotta stuff, on Edge they're pretty accurate: good selling, crappy offense. He has good charisma n'all, and I like'im, but I don't think he would make a credible champion right now. He doesn't have that aura of domination that a true world champ should have - whether as a face or a heel.



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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.95
I like Edge a lot, but I think he's still just a hair away from getting to that top level. After reading Dean's stuff, I think it's because of his offense. Edge needs to throw better punches, use a convincing finisher, and most of all, get a big win over HHH, Undertaker or Brock to be considered at that level.

I think the suggestion that he play the Sting-type character is an excellent one.



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#17 Posted on
I think the only way to put the belt on Edge is to first have him absolutely get destroyed by Lesnar, multi F5's, shooting star presses, everything. Build up the sympathy factor for him, then a few months later have him pull off a miracle win over Lesnar. If your going to try to build as in the Sting mode, it has to be the Sting/Vader mode, not the Sting/Flair mode.



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#18 Posted on

    I've always thought he needed a marketable finisher. The Spear is interesting for seeing wrestlers buckle when hit, but that's about it. The Edge-o-cution doesn't seem to get that "finisher" response. I think he could use a "unique" finisher - perhaps the Death Valley Driver - to rally people around him. What do you think?


Remember the figure-four Edgelock? He used this move just before WrestleMania, and it was this awesome submission hold that was basically a standing reverse figure-four. It looked really painful and effective.

Could someone actually list what the names of Edge's finishers are, BTW? He has about 3-4 moves that usually end matches, and they are involve 'Edge' in the title.




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#19 Posted on
"Oh yeah...!"
Edge-o-Matic=His from behind face buster or sorts

EdgeEcution-Implant DDT

Figure 4 Edgelock- Figure 4 Leg Lock

Spear-...Spear



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#20 Posted on
Totally, but I don't think he's the guy that they're going to have the Big Show job too, though.

I could, however, dig him hanging out in the rafters over Raw, but for much shorter a period. Then they could put John Cena back into the Smackdown! six. (He got kicked out in favor of a triple threat, tag team format by Chavo Guerrero Jr.)

Speaking of that, I wouldn't mind seeing a John Cena-Chavo Guererro Jr. cage match for the shot at a Pay Per View. ..




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