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#101 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.54
    Originally posted by Oliver
    Letterman's become pretty vicious in his commentary. I don't know his relationship with Conan or Leno (I'd bet someone here knows the scoop) but some of his wording is really sad. Is he saving face? Letterman's not being very gracious at all. Yes, it's a messy situation, and if poking fun at it is good for a few laughs, then so be it, but I honestly think that Letterman's acting like a douche.

I don't watch Letterman's show regularly. Or at all really. Anybody have any quotes or links to video of some of the aforementioned vitriol?

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#102 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.37
    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    Letterman is friendly with Conan and not so much with Jay.


I think it's fair to say that Letterman's opinion may be somewhat tainted by the fact that he spent most of this century losing to Leno in the ratings when then went head to head, while he's been beating Conan's ass pretty much from Day 1 (which, incidentally, was months prior to the premier of Leno's show at 10:00). It's pretty much no contest as to whom Letterman would prefer to compete against if he gets to choose.

    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    If Jay wanted to go to another network to host a late night show, he could've done it instead of doing the show he's doing now.


Leno certainly could have. But instead he chose loyalty to the network that made him a rich star, and took their offer of the show at 10:00. But now that same network, who forced him out of the Tonight Show, now wants to use him to force his replacement out. Unless you picture Jay Leno as some sort of Machiavellian genius who set this whole thing up last spring, it's pretty easy to see why he would be pissed at NBC.

As for my own personal opinion, I'm in agreement with almost all of what John Orquiola had to say a few posts prior. I have no stake in who hosts which late night show, as I rarely watch any of them (that's why God invented cable). Personally, I hope Leno tells NBC to shove their whole network, leaves television all together, and spends his remaining days working the showrooms in Vegas. Leno doesn't need NBC's money, and I'm sure he doesn't need this bullshit.




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#103 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.33
TMZ is now reporting Leno has a new "1 Hour 'Tonight' Deal".

{ EDIT: Better link - CRZ }

(edited by CRZ on 14.1.10 1532)
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#104 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.47
Leno started the bullshit. NBC didn't tell him he was going back to 11:35 pm, he demanded it. I have no sympathy for Leno and I hope he utterly fails in this. Letterman and Conan have a mentor/student relationship since Conan took Dave's spot. I am sure Dave taking shots at Leno might have something to do with ratings or the fact Leno is once again manipulating NBC to screw over another talk show host on their network like he did with Dave. Leno's PR move is a sad cry for help from someone who wants attention. Late Shift got it right, Jay is someone who carves attention and has to be liked. Well, he is got the attention, but people are sick of him. A TV Guide poll finds 83% agree with Conan, so I don't think its just the young people out there who are pissed either.
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#105 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.39
    Originally posted by StingArmy
      Originally posted by Oliver
      Letterman's become pretty vicious in his commentary. I don't know his relationship with Conan or Leno (I'd bet someone here knows the scoop) but some of his wording is really sad. Is he saving face? Letterman's not being very gracious at all. Yes, it's a messy situation, and if poking fun at it is good for a few laughs, then so be it, but I honestly think that Letterman's acting like a douche.

    I don't watch Letterman's show regularly. Or at all really. Anybody have any quotes or links to video of some of the aforementioned vitriol?

    - StingArmy


Letterman is actually nailing it pretty well.

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#106 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.37
    Originally posted by lotjx
    Leno started the bullshit. NBC didn't tell him he was going back to 11:35 pm, he demanded it.


Source?



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#107 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.47
Every news article.
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#108 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.41
    Originally posted by Leroy


    Lord knows, when I'm in trouble, I just think to myself, "If only PAUL REISER were here..."


Oh my god. Total spit-take had I been drinking.

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#109 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.34
    Originally posted by lotjx
    Every news article.


In other words, none.

Here, let me ask you an even easier question: If Leno could "demand" (your word) NBC move him back to the Tonight Show, how did he lose it in the first place?




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#110 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.60
    Originally posted by Downtown Bookie
      Originally posted by lotjx
      Every news article.


    In other words, none.


Yeah. I'm firmly Team Conan but there's been no sign that Jay wanted away from 10et and back to The Tonight Show except for that throwaway quote two months ago where he said "if they wanted me there, I'll go back." Should he have said that publicly? No. Did he "demand" it? There's been no proof of this.



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#111 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.86
http://www.deadline.com/hollywood/jeff-zucker-threatens-to-ice-conan-ill-keep-you-off-the-air-for-3-12-years/

Would an internet based show technically be "on the air"? Not that I want Conan to be internet only, but wouldn't that be an option while the other legal stuff gets sorted out if he leaves NBC?
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#112 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.46
Here's my thing:

Leno said in '04 that he was planning to retire. He didn't want this kind of thing to happen, and so he said, and NBC agreed to, "I'll go five more years with The Tonight Show, and Conan'll take over in '09."

But then Leno pulled a Brett Favre in '07 and was all like, "Wait, I'm not ready to retire." And he made noises about going to another network, forcing NBC to scramble around to find some way to keep him around. He's the reason for the mess. So I say, get rid of Jay, bring back five dramas a week (and some good dramas), and keep Conan at 11:35.



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    Originally posted by ekedolphin
    Here's my thing:

    Leno said in '04 that he was planning to retire. He didn't want this kind of thing to happen, and so he said, and NBC agreed to, "I'll go five more years with The Tonight Show, and Conan'll take over in '09."

    But then Leno pulled a Brett Favre in '07 and was all like, "Wait, I'm not ready to retire." And he made noises about going to another network, forcing NBC to scramble around to find some way to keep him around. He's the reason for the mess. So I say, get rid of Jay, bring back five dramas a week (and some good dramas), and keep Conan at 11:35.

This pretty much nails why Leno's almost as much as a villain in this situation as the NBC suits are. (I blame the suits more because they're clearing trying to have their cake and eat it too, but Jay created this mess when he began dropping hints that he'd pull a Favre.) It's not like there are 31 other networks in need of a better late-night show host.

The right thing would be for Leno to step aside, but I don't think it'll happen.



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#114 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.69
    Originally posted by ekedolphin
    Leno said in '04 that he was planning to retire. He didn't want this kind of thing to happen, and so he said, and NBC agreed to, "I'll go five more years with The Tonight Show, and Conan'll take over in '09."

I thought (and I don't have a source on this) it was that Jay's contract was up in '09 and NBC decided to go with Conan as the new host instead of renew. Jay was OK with it at the time because 5 years seemed like a long way off and he would have had a good run by then.

So it was NBC's, not Jay's, decision to move on. Jay was amicable about the decision at the time, so it seemed like he was "retiring". And because it was NBC's call, that led to Jay now saying things like, "NBC canceled us at 11:30, then they canceled us at 10:00" (From his monologue a few nights ago.), which is kinda sorta true and kinda sorta not.



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#115 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.60
    Originally posted by SchippeWreck
      Originally posted by ekedolphin
      Leno said in '04 that he was planning to retire. He didn't want this kind of thing to happen, and so he said, and NBC agreed to, "I'll go five more years with The Tonight Show, and Conan'll take over in '09."

    I thought (and I don't have a source on this) it was that Jay's contract was up in '09 and NBC decided to go with Conan as the new host instead of renew. Jay was OK with it at the time because 5 years seemed like a long way off and he would have had a good run by then.

    So it was NBC's, not Jay's, decision to move on. Jay was amicable about the decision at the time, so it seemed like he was "retiring". And because it was NBC's call, that led to Jay now saying things like, "NBC canceled us at 11:30, then they canceled us at 10:00" (From his monologue a few nights ago.), which is kinda sorta true and kinda sorta not.


Conan did exactly what Jay did: "when the other guy retires, I get the gig." That was the terms for not jumping elsewhere back when he had the chance. But NBC brought Jay in on it and he agreed with the plan, rather than keeping everyone in the dark like the first time, and Conan didn't (and didn't need to) try to undermine Jay like Leno's agent did Carson.

The Brett Farve analogy is quite apt, but I honestly have little sympathy for Jay. Shouldn't have agreed to retire, then shouldn't have agreed to the inane 10et plan.



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#116 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.44
(from one of the articles)

"The median age of Conan’s audience last week was 45.6, nine years younger than Nightline's" 55.0 and 11 years younger than Letterman’s 57.3."

Nightline's viewers are younger than Dave's? Wow.

People are saying they don't feel bad for either because they are both multi-millionaires, but are forgetting that both shows have large production staffs.
Most of Conan's show has the original staff from New York, who uprooted their families and moved across the country and bought new homes. These people are not millionaires and it's a shame they have to get caught in the middle of this.
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#117 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.34
    Originally posted by dwaters
    People are saying they don't feel bad for either because they are both multi-millionaires, but are forgetting that both shows have large production staffs.
    Most of Conan's show has the original staff from New York, who uprooted their families and moved across the country and bought new homes. These people are not millionaires and it's a shame they have to get caught in the middle of this.



I agree completely. Like the African proverb says, "When elephants fight, it is the grass that suffers." Sad but true.



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#118 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.21
    Originally posted by StingArmy
      Originally posted by Oliver
      Letterman's become pretty vicious in his commentary. I don't know his relationship with Conan or Leno (I'd bet someone here knows the scoop) but some of his wording is really sad. Is he saving face? Letterman's not being very gracious at all. Yes, it's a messy situation, and if poking fun at it is good for a few laughs, then so be it, but I honestly think that Letterman's acting like a douche.

    I don't watch Letterman's show regularly. Or at all really. Anybody have any quotes or links to video of some of the aforementioned vitriol?

    - StingArmy
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#119 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.72
It's funny to hear Carson Daly incidentally get it as badly as Leno from all the other late night hosts.
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#120 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.38
For video of the shows I've been checking tv.gawker.com each day.
Thursday (all we have so far is a youtube clip of Letterman bashing Leno)
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