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#221 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.63
    Originally posted by BongHitter
    Not to nit-pick, but "ZZ Top guy" was actually Billy Gibbons, not Dusty Hill.


Pretty close for me. I was lucky I knew a name.



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#222 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.54
Great final show, looking forward to seeing him on my TV again real soon. I was one of the many that camped out for tickets for Late Night with Conan O'Brien before he left New York for LA but I, unfortunately, was not able to score a seat. By the last couple weeks of his tenure people were getting in line as early as 3:00a.

Fallon's opening tribute to Conan had me rolling. In fact, IMHO it was funnier than anything Conan did tonight. But I suppose you had to grow up as a fan of Boyz II Men to really appreciate it. We probably won't be seeing him take over the Tonight Show any time soon (or ever) but I'm really glad to have him on Late Night.

I must say I still don't understand the hatred for Leno. I can only assume it's because a lot of people don't find him funny, so it makes them that much angrier that Conan got the boot while Leno did not. My understanding is still that the 10:00p talk show idea was an epic failure but NBC still wanted to keep Leno around. So they made the even dumber decision to move everyone's time slots. But that plan was in place before anybody was talking about Conan leaving the network and Leno returning to the Tonight Show. For anyone to expect Leno to refuse the job once it was offered to him out of the kindness of his heart or in line with some twisted notion of classiness is unrealistic at best.

Either way, it looks like some people (most people?) on The W and on the intarwebz in general have yet to take to heart Conan's advice on cynicism and negativity. Long live CoCo!

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#223 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.39
Well, you say that they offered Jay the job back in late night before they knew that Conan wasn't going to go for it. To me that's part of the problem. Don't you ask the guy who has to delay his show 30 minutes whether that's OK before you start promising that time slot to someone else?

I do admit I like Conan over Leno, but what I'm surprised at is why NBC seems to think that this makes business sense. If Leno doesn't get Tonight's ratings back up, this could be seen as yet another blunder by NBC.
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#224 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.48
I've never been a regular watcher of talk shows, but that was one fine hour of entertainment.

One thing I don't hear people talking about is that maybe Conan's ratings were down because some of the audience were getting their monologue fix at 10 with Leno. Not just the smaller lead-in that the Leno Show was giving them, but a degree of oversaturation as well.

I'm guessing that the reason Jay got the timeslot back is probably the affiliates wanting it. Leno's Tonight Show was (and will again be) a much more homogenized product than anything I ever saw Conan put on. You might say that the network feels that Leno knows how to work "NBC main event style". He's the safer bet in the short term.

Fox is probably giving Conan a serious look because he appeals to the core demographic, but I'm not sure if there's room for 3 shows - if anything, Conan would figure to cannibalize more of Dave's audience than Jay's.



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#225 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.54
    Originally posted by Mr. Boffo
    Well, you say that they offered Jay the job back in late night before they knew that Conan wasn't going to go for it. To me that's part of the problem. Don't you ask the guy who has to delay his show 30 minutes whether that's OK before you start promising that time slot to someone else?


Like I said, moving everyone's time slots was dumb. When they did that they went from bad to worse. But that particular piece of decision-making is NBC's doing, not Leno's. So that move by itself isn't really grounds for anyone to get mad at Leno.

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#226 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.29
    Originally posted by TheOldMan

    Fox is probably giving Conan a serious look because he appeals to the core demographic, but I'm not sure if there's room for 3 shows - if anything, Conan would figure to cannibalize more of Dave's audience than Jay's.


He does start 30 mins late, but somewhere Jimmy Kimmel's feeling were hurt by that statement.



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#227 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.28
Today marked Jay Leno's interview with Oprah, where he subtly shifted the blame to Conan.

Jay Leno: I Felt Really Bad for Conan | TMZ.com


    Jay was on "Oprah" this morning, where he said Conan's ratings are the real reason he's gone, citing a 49% drop as proof. Leno added he's glad to have his "dream job" back -- regretting "it wasn't handled better."


I could see how that interview must have gone. "I didn't want this to happen, but look at Conan's ratings. His ratings dropped and The Tonight Show was losing money for the first time ever! And it didn't have anything to do with the fact that I cherry picked the A-list stars for my own show, leaving him with the scraps. And it DEFINITELY didn't have anything to do with me tanking the 11pm local news so that there wasn't an audience left to watch The Tonight Show. And nobody bring up my own dismal ratings! It was all Conan's fault! But I feel bad for the guy, sure."

What a colossal jerk.




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#228 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.48
    Originally posted by It's False
    Today marked Jay Leno's interview with Oprah, where he subtly shifted the blame to Conan.

    Jay Leno: I Felt Really Bad for Conan | TMZ.com


      Jay was on "Oprah" this morning, where he said Conan's ratings are the real reason he's gone, citing a 49% drop as proof. Leno added he's glad to have his "dream job" back -- regretting "it wasn't handled better."


    I could see how that interview must have gone. "I didn't want this to happen, but look at Conan's ratings. His ratings dropped and The Tonight Show was losing money for the first time ever! And it didn't have anything to do with the fact that I cherry picked the A-list stars for my own show, leaving him with the scraps. And it DEFINITELY didn't have anything to do with me tanking the 11pm local news so that there wasn't an audience left to watch The Tonight Show. And nobody bring up my own dismal ratings! It was all Conan's fault! But I feel bad for the guy, sure."

    What a colossal jerk.


I loved how Oprah kept asking tough questions, she really was making him uncomfortable, IMO. "Why take the old job back, why not do what Conan did and take a settlement for you and your staff?" BOOM! Or Jay's weak "I wouldn't know what to say" in response to her asking about him talking to Conan.

I hope Leno fails, even more epicly than in primetime.



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#229 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.42
This was an NBC PR spin to make Leno look like a victim too, but it failed miserably. Leno has come off as such a douchebag in this thing, I just don't see him getting the ratings needed to beat Letterman or even Kimmel right now. NBC will probably let him do the show for a few more years then finally kick him to the curb. I'm sure he will joke about it the first week he's back on the Tonight Show, but how uncomfortable is that going to be. Leno really has turned from Middle America Sweetheart to the face of network stupidity and greed in about six months.
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#230 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.32
Old people don't think he is a douchebag. That's all that is going to matter.

NBC is cannibalizing their youth viewership for a short term pop. This should be a long term mistake. We'll see how it all plays out.

In the short term Leno will return with higher than normal ratings.




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#231 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.47
    Originally posted by Guru Zim
    Old people don't think he is a douchebag. That's all that is going to matter.

    NBC is cannibalizing their youth viewership for a short term pop. This should be a long term mistake. We'll see how it all plays out.

    In the short term Leno will return with higher than normal ratings.


I agree or it could be that almost no one will care now that the dustup is over.



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#232 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.12
At this point, all I care about is that Conan gets a fair chance (i.e. longer than seven months) to build himself an audience at whatever network he pops up at, ratings be damned. I really couldn't care less about what happens to Leno since I am so sick and tired of him.
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#233 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.43
I thought Leno came across as *incredibly* weak in the Oprah interview. The one thing that Oprah didn't hammer on, but should have, is "Why did you cave 6 years ago when they set up the deal for Conan to take over in 2009?" He's trying to take a position where "I like being a high paid employee" -- I just do what the bosses say to do. Do-da-do, jus' followin' instructions.

Where that position really breaks down is when he starts including the bit about looking out for his own staff. If he had taken any kind of a stand either in 2004 or recently, he could have made sure they were taken care of. And Oprah did hit on that. OK, look -- in this kind of situation, either you're just a dumb employee, or you're a leader. It's all well & good to say things like "a handshake is good enough for me" when you're doing business for yourself. If you're going to accept the responsibility of 175 people relying on you, that's not good enough. Leno is not a leader.

Conan is a very smart man. So's Dave, so was Johnny. I'm pretty sure that big chunks of their respective staffs fundamentally respect them.

I really can't tell whether Jay actually is a complete rube, or whether he's just playing one on TV. I'm not actually sure which of those is better.

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What I'm really interested in now is what Dave decides to do around the re-debut of "The Tonight Show with Jay Leno." Does he just ignore the whole thing? Or does he comment on it? Or is that the night that Conan does Dave's show? The big hoopla is over, but there's still more to come of this whole debacle.
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#234 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.12
Seeing that Dave basically hates Leno's guts, he is going to keep bashing him until he is bored of it because, in his own words, "it's fun".

As far as what Dave does up against TTS' re-debut is anybody's guess, but everyone I know who has been following this debacle from the beginning really wants Conan to be his guest, and it makes too much sense for that not to happen.
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#235 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.16
I thought part of the terms of Conan's exit were that he is on 90 day media silence, so no talk shows or anything until late April.



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#236 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.12
    Originally posted by spf
    I thought part of the terms of Conan's exit were that he is on 90 day media silence, so no talk shows or anything until late April.
All I heard was that he can't make disparaging comments about NBC, but maybe that's part of the media silence.
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#237 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.42
The best way to get around it is have him go on Colbert Report and do the Word. Have him talk about how great NBC is then do the graphics written by Colbert's staff.
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#238 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.47
    Originally posted by Zeruel
    He does start 30 mins late, but somewhere Jimmy Kimmel's feeling were hurt by that statement.


No offense to Kimmel, who's coming off pretty good after that 10 @ 10 evisceration of Leno. In Chicago, we get an "Oprah" repeat after Nightline, then Kimmel against the second half of Ferguson.

(And if Fallon's feelings are hurt now, tough )




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#239 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.53
    Originally posted by It's False
    I could see how that interview must have gone. "I didn't want this to happen, but look at Conan's ratings. His ratings dropped and The Tonight Show was losing money for the first time ever! And it didn't have anything to do with the fact that I cherry picked the A-list stars for my own show, leaving him with the scraps.

This is nothing like how the interview went.

Also, scraps? Really? Since when do talk show guests stick to only one show? They call it "making the rounds" for a reason.

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#240 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.43
    Originally posted by spf
    I thought part of the terms of Conan's exit were that he is on 90 day media silence, so no talk shows or anything until late April.
I hadn't heard that stipulation, but that doesn't mean it isn't in effect. The only ones I'd heard about are: 1) he can't host another show til Sept 1; 2) some sort of non-disparagement. But of course we don't know the details.

Oprah said that they'd also invited Conan, for a separate interview, but reported that Conan's people said "this is not the right time". Which could mean anything from media blackout, to "He's on an island someplace -- with lots of sunscreen -- regrouping."
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