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There are a lot of rumors now saying that Chris Benoit will be heading over to the RAW roster in the coming months to feud with HHH. Does anyone else have a problem with this? I think Benoit works much better on the Smackdown! show and I'd like to see his feud with Paul Heyman AND Brock Lesnar play out to its conclusion instead of just dumping him on RAW just so another good wrestler can be fed to HHH. I really don't see the point. As much as I'd like to see Benoit get a push and win the world title, I'd like to see it happen on Smackdown! because you can get a lot more great matches out of Benoit with opponents like Lesnar, Angle, Cena, Guerrero, etc. rather than HHH.

If you're going to move a more prominent face wrestler to RAW from Smackdown, I say move John Cena as his gimmick seems more suitable for the RAW show, or move the Big Show back there since RAW could use more big hosses. Its not like he's doing anything on Smackdown anyway other than just carrying the US title around doing absolutely nothing with it and never defending it on TV.

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Maybe, but think about this possibility:

Chris Benoit VS Shawn Michaels.

I'm sold.



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I could see an angle where Bischoff contacts Heyman (or the other way around) and say "Lets help each other out with out problems" or something along the line of that. It could work out where Benoit gets traded to Raw for Goldberg. Goldberg can win the Rumble and go on to WMXX to face Lesnar.

On the Raw side, if HHH is supposed to take a break for movies/healing injuries then maybe he can drop the title to HBK and have a Benoit/Michales match for the title at WMXX too?

EDIT: Beat me too it for the Benoit/HBK suggestion OlFuzzyBastard.



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It is however worth noting that Backlash (which is a Raw brand PPV) is in Edmonton, so the general consensus is right now that Trip would leave MSG with the belt but the feud would continue for a rematch at Backlash.

And actually, if the purpose is for Benoit to make a parallel jump to Raw from the same slot he was on SD, it isn't the worst move in the world long-term. Yeah, the Lesnar stuff would be potentially unresolved, but alsoit would set up a match down the road somewhere that if they use the continuity correctly could work, since Benoit was and is still being booked as a viable threat to Brock.

Plus that would also open the door for Lesnar-Goldberg, which would allow the WWE to have one clash of the titans and one worker/much slower worker booking for their two title matches.

Although putting on my smark conspiracy goggles for two seconds, it could also be Trip saying to the committee "I wanna look my best for the biggest show of the year...get me Benoit" with the hotshot in April being a small price to pay for that.



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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.57
If Goldberg does leave WWE after Wrestlemania, that leaves no viable face challengers for Triple H. Someone needs to be brought to Raw, but don't believe what you read just yet. In the last three weeks there have all been separate reports on who the defecting Smackdown star would be, with Benoit, Cena, and Edge's names all thrown out there.

So I'm still considering Benoit's move to Raw a question mark.




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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.26
    Originally posted by It's False
    If Goldberg does leave WWE after Wrestlemania, that leaves no viable face challengers for Triple H. Someone needs to be brought to Raw, but don't believe what you read just yet. In the last three weeks there have all been separate reports on who the defecting Smackdown star would be, with Benoit, Cena, and Edge's names all thrown out there.

    So I'm still considering Benoit's move to Raw a question mark.


Well that's not necessarily true. On the RAW side you have RVD, Booker T, Shawn Michaels, and Chris Jericho. All of which are faces and with a couple steps could be feuding with HHH even though they've already done so. When the Undertaker returns he'll probably be on RAW as well as a face.




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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.44
Man, if I were the WWE I would not send Benoit to Raw. As great of a wrestler as he is, he just doesn't get the best crowd reactions. It is much easier then to mask the reaction he usually gets at Smackdown. He just isn't Raw level exciting, you know?

I really like the Cena to Raw rumor. His character is clicking with crowds more, and he is a face that HHH has NEVER wrestled (Benoit has faced HHH before).

Oh, and I know that Benoit got a great reaction at the RR last year. And he will probably get a great reaction at RR this year. Other than that though, I just don't see the sparkling talk about how amazingly over Benoit is.

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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.54
    Originally posted by Blanket Jackson
    It is however worth noting that Backlash (which is a Raw brand PPV) is in Edmonton, so the general consensus is right now that Trip would leave MSG with the belt but the feud would continue for a rematch at Backlash.


General consensus? Really?

It would be foolish for Benoit not to go over Triple H in potentially one of the greatest events ever. I understand how hot the Edmonton crowd will be, and it would be fine if the circumstances were like last year that the other main event had a hot babyface going over a heel. But it isn't so this year. WWE cannot afford to have Lesnar job to Goldberg, and likewise, they can't afford to have their TWO top matches with a heel going over. I would give Benoit the win considering he has the Mania momentum anyway, and then solidify WWE's short Benoit era with a great Backlash match. Wait, that means HHH jobbing two PPVs in a row. Nevermind.

Anyway, this is Keller's take, and it really depresses me:

As we've been talking about in Torch VIP updates this week, WWE is likely shifting Chris Benoit to the Raw roster. I like the move, even though the politics behind it is suspect. The politics, which I got into in great depth in my VIP Audio Update earlier this week, involved Hunter wanting to have a strong in-ring babyface who can work his style of match (mathold and submission based) effectively, but whom he can beat soundly without much controversy. Benoit also is the type of babyface who won't threaten Shawn Michaels's stature as Raw's new top babyface (now that Goldberg is finishing up at WrestleMania).

John Cena could have been sent over to Raw instead, had a great World Title feud with Hunter from a promo standpoint, and Hunter could have taken pride in elevating Cena to a true top tier level both in fans' perception and in terms of ring work. Instead, they went with someone who could help make Hunter look good, but wouldn't overshadow Michaels. That's the cynical point of view, and there's some validity to it.

However, on the bright side, Benoit gets to have fresh matches as a babyface with Hunter in PPV main events. Benoit fans will be happy with that. He also can be utilized to bring along Randy Orton and Batista later this year. Who better to move Orton and Batista to the next level as workers than Benoit?


Ah, the more things change...

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Basically this amounts to protecting HBK as the top babyface and giving Triple H more babyface fodder, one that'll make him look like a million bucks in the process. Way to go.

RAW is my show of preference and Benoit is one of my favorite wrestlers but I am NOT excited about this move. Benoit is a perfect fit for Smackdown and a perfect fit for Angle, Lesnar, Guerrero, Cena for a lot longer. I really don't want to see Benoit against Orton or Batista. They might give Benoit some hype the first week, but when it's all said in done, he'll just be treated like another schmo that couldn't hang at HHH's level.

Speaking of which, this talk of needing to move a babyface from Smackdown and making the aging Shawn Michaels the top babyface COMPLETELY shits on Booker T, Rob Van Dam, and even Chris Jericho. They were never given a fair shake, and Benoit will soon be added to that list. I'm jumping the gun but with what we've seen in the past two years, can you blame me?
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.96
    Originally posted by Blanket Jackson
    It is however worth noting that Backlash (which is a Raw brand PPV) is in Edmonton, so the general consensus is right now that Trip would leave MSG with the belt but the feud would continue for a rematch at Backlash.

    And actually, if the purpose is for Benoit to make a parallel jump to Raw from the same slot he was on SD, it isn't the worst move in the world long-term. Yeah, the Lesnar stuff would be potentially unresolved, but alsoit would set up a match down the road somewhere that if they use the continuity correctly could work, since Benoit was and is still being booked as a viable threat to Brock.

    Plus that would also open the door for Lesnar-Goldberg, which would allow the WWE to have one clash of the titans and one worker/much slower worker booking for their two title matches.

    Although putting on my smark conspiracy goggles for two seconds, it could also be Trip saying to the committee "I wanna look my best for the biggest show of the year...get me Benoit" with the hotshot in April being a small price to pay for that.


Backlash in Edmonton, RAW the night after in Calgary...and Benoit & Jericho are always over like crazy in Canada, and especially in Western Canada. It just makes sense for them to be on the shows.



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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.07
    Originally posted by ParagonOfVirtue
      Originally posted by Blanket Jackson
      It is however worth noting that Backlash (which is a Raw brand PPV) is in Edmonton, so the general consensus is right now that Trip would leave MSG with the belt but the feud would continue for a rematch at Backlash.


    General consensus? Really?

    It would be foolish for Benoit not to go over Triple H in potentially one of the greatest events ever. I understand how hot the Edmonton crowd will be, and it would be fine if the circumstances were like last year that the other main event had a hot babyface going over a heel. But it isn't so this year. WWE cannot afford to have Lesnar job to Goldberg, and likewise, they can't afford to have their TWO top matches with a heel going over. I would give Benoit the win considering he has the Mania momentum anyway, and then solidify WWE's short Benoit era with a great Backlash match. Wait, that means HHH jobbing two PPVs in a row. Nevermind.

    Anyway, this is Keller's take, and it really depresses me:

    As we've been talking about in Torch VIP updates this week, WWE is likely shifting Chris Benoit to the Raw roster. I like the move, even though the politics behind it is suspect. The politics, which I got into in great depth in my VIP Audio Update earlier this week, involved Hunter wanting to have a strong in-ring babyface who can work his style of match (mathold and submission based) effectively, but whom he can beat soundly without much controversy. Benoit also is the type of babyface who won't threaten Shawn Michaels's stature as Raw's new top babyface (now that Goldberg is finishing up at WrestleMania).

    John Cena could have been sent over to Raw instead, had a great World Title feud with Hunter from a promo standpoint, and Hunter could have taken pride in elevating Cena to a true top tier level both in fans' perception and in terms of ring work. Instead, they went with someone who could help make Hunter look good, but wouldn't overshadow Michaels. That's the cynical point of view, and there's some validity to it.

    However, on the bright side, Benoit gets to have fresh matches as a babyface with Hunter in PPV main events. Benoit fans will be happy with that. He also can be utilized to bring along Randy Orton and Batista later this year. Who better to move Orton and Batista to the next level as workers than Benoit?


    Ah, the more things change...

    The Kliq is back playing their games.

    Basically this amounts to protecting HBK as the top babyface and giving Triple H more babyface fodder, one that'll make him look like a million bucks in the process. Way to go.

    RAW is my show of preference and Benoit is one of my favorite wrestlers but I am NOT excited about this move. Benoit is a perfect fit for Smackdown and a perfect fit for Angle, Lesnar, Guerrero, Cena for a lot longer. I really don't want to see Benoit against Orton or Batista. They might give Benoit some hype the first week, but when it's all said in done, he'll just be treated like another schmo that couldn't hang at HHH's level.

    Speaking of which, this talk of needing to move a babyface from Smackdown and making the aging Shawn Michaels the top babyface COMPLETELY shits on Booker T, Rob Van Dam, and even Chris Jericho. They were never given a fair shake, and Benoit will soon be added to that list. I'm jumping the gun but with what we've seen in the past two years, can you blame me?


These are pretty much exactly my sentiments ParagonOfVirtue. It is kind of cynical, but looking at what's happened with Booker T, RVD, Jericho, and even Goldberg, I just have this feeling that Benoit is just being moved to RAW so HHH can have a fresh new opponent to beat. Especially when Benoit has been booked very strong in the last couple of months. The same thing happened to Booker T last year before he had his Wrestlemania match against HHH. So now instead of building up the face and giving him the big win, you just build up the face so he can go to the big match and lose to the main heel and get taken down some pegs.

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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.91
Raw's been hurting a bit ever since they took both Benoit and Eddy from Raw. Sure they replaced them with Jericho, but Raw still lost big on the *wrestling* end of things. Matt Hardy will help this when they get him going, but Raw really needs a Benoit type of woker.

Triple H has done a fine job of sqaushing a whole roster I must say.

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Benoit on Raw would be great. It's a huge boon for Raw and I think would have a negligible effect on Smackdown. I think a WORLD TITLE SHOT AT WRESTLEMANIA, even if he is defeated, is just a little bit better position for a wrestler than wrestling the same 3 or 4 guys (Angle, Guerrero, A-Train, Cena) over and over again on Smackdown like he's been doing for the last 2 years. Cena is a bit too, what's the word I'm looking for, shitty a worker to have a WrestleMania main event against Hunter. Angle or Lesnar maybe, but I don't think Cena vs. Helmsley would be particularly great.

If he is given a feud with Triple H, it'd be great to see his interaction with Ric Flair and Evolution. Or maybe they'll have Michaels win the title and Benoit can have match of the goddamn century with him, while Triple H and Randy Orton go against Mick Foley and The Rock at Mania. Plus there's possible greatness in matches against Jericho, Booker T or Lance Storm.

Bottom line is, Smackdown has a stable of technically sound wrestlers while Raw is terribly lacking.
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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.60

I do like the Benoit to RAW move ...

However, my question is ... Besides Cena, who are the top Smackdown faces going to be? You have Goldberg possible moving over to Smackdown, but he may be gone after WMXX ... Will the Undertaker's return be on RAW to Feud with Kane? Will Edge return to Smackdown? And it's looking like we might have another Angle heel turn ...

So where does this leave us? RVD should be moved to Smackdown, along with the Hurricance ...

Just my take.



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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.07
    Originally posted by George Takei
    Benoit on Raw would be great. It's a huge boon for Raw and I think would have a negligible effect on Smackdown. I think a WORLD TITLE SHOT AT WRESTLEMANIA, even if he is defeated, is just a little bit better position for a wrestler than wrestling the same 3 or 4 guys (Angle, Guerrero, A-Train, Cena) over and over again on Smackdown like he's been doing for the last 2 years. Cena is a bit too, what's the word I'm looking for, shitty a worker to have a WrestleMania main event against Hunter. Angle or Lesnar maybe, but I don't think Cena vs. Helmsley would be particularly great.

    If he is given a feud with Triple H, it'd be great to see his interaction with Ric Flair and Evolution. Or maybe they'll have Michaels win the title and Benoit can have match of the goddamn century with him, while Triple H and Randy Orton go against Mick Foley and The Rock at Mania. Plus there's possible greatness in matches against Jericho, Booker T or Lance Storm.

    Bottom line is, Smackdown has a stable of technically sound wrestlers while Raw is terribly lacking.


I'm not saying Benoit shouldn't get a world title shot. What I should be saying is I want to see him get that title shot against BROCK LESNAR at WRESTLEMANIA XX. They've only had one other match, in which Benoit had Lesnar tap to his crossface and kicked out of the F-5. Lesnar was also not able to fulfill his promise of making Benoit tap, so there is still plenty of ways for this feud to go. This is just the match I wanted to see this year at Wrestlemania and now it looks like its not happening so I'm kind of miffed, and if Benoit is going to RAW it looks like we won't see it again for a while.

As for your bottom line. RAW has plenty of great wrestlers, they are just being booked in lame sportz entertainment feuds and not booked to their strengths. Jericho, Lance Storm, Shane Helms, RVD, Matt Hardy, Booker T, and Christian are all good, capable workers but they are not being used properly, miring low in the card. I don't see how the Benoit move will fix this.




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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.00
    Originally posted by Mayhem

    I do like the Benoit to RAW move ...

    However, my question is ... Besides Cena, who are the top Smackdown faces going to be? You have Goldberg possible moving over to Smackdown, but he may be gone after WMXX ... Will the Undertaker's return be on RAW to Feud with Kane? Will Edge return to Smackdown? And it's looking like we might have another Angle heel turn ...

    So where does this leave us? RVD should be moved to Smackdown, along with the Hurricance ...

    Just my take.


Well, you can't forget Eddie. I admit, he's been shuffled nicely into the midcard deck, but he's SO friggin' over that he can jump to the main event whenever WWE decides to pull the trigger. Which will be soon, if they have any sense. Which they don't. But I digress...

I do think moving RVD to Smackdown would be an excellent move, though. He's just spinning his wheels on RAW now. If they're not going to trade Benoit for Goldberg, trade him for RVD, I say.



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As for your bottom line. RAW has plenty of great wrestlers, they are just being booked in lame sportz entertainment feuds and not booked to their strengths. Jericho, Lance Storm, Shane Helms, RVD, Matt Hardy, Booker T, and Christian are all good, capable workers but they are not being used properly, miring low in the card. I don't see how the Benoit move will fix this.

Actually sports entertainment is the strength of Chris Jericho, The Hurricane, Matt Hardy, Booker T and Christian. And of these, Helms is the only one I would define as "miring". All the rest either have a cogent feud / storyline going and those that don't are good enough and popular enough to be sustained without one for a while. What is it that makes Jericho macking on Trish, Storm gathering momentum is a really strong tag team, Rob Van Dam consistently being a thorn in the side of Evolution, Booker T going for it all in the Rumble, Matt Hardy being whiny dick and Christian trying to keep his best friend on the dark side that's such a hindrance to their careers?
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Sorry George but I have to take you to task on your post here.

"Storm gathering momentum is a really strong tag team". Momentum? Momentum to where? Obscurity.. "Rob Van Dam consistently being a thorn in the side of Evolution". I don't know how much of a thorn is a babyface who gets beaten clean as a whistle pretty much ever time out. Add that they did everything to undermine him as a non-factor in his main event match with Orton on Raw.. "Booker T going for it all in the Rumble". So is Nunzio, and he's got as much chance of winning it too.. "Matt Hardy being whiny dick". Lita's boyfriend, he can whine all he wants. He'll be nothing but a bit player in a Lita career now... Jericho seems to be starting a turn so I'll give him a pass for now, but even that they are doing it the most difficult way possible with the constant tease turn then fall back to heel that Jericho is doing. Do they want the fans just to give up on him?

I got to agree with the majority. I personally think Jericho, RVD and Booker T had more overall potential then Chris Benoit, and look what happened to them. It really is some ploy HHH got there, ruin anyone that's a threat or can make a credible champion then claim he has to be champion because there's not credible challengers. Of course they don't look at the common factor why there are no real great contenders on Raw anymore, nope he still has daddy-in-laws big gold belt around his waist and guarantee PPV main event spot until someone lands on Mars. If Benoit goes to Raw I can see exactly what will happen, you can carve it in stone.

Benoit/HHH Wrestlemania, Benoit carries HHH to a great match. HHH can claim to have MOTY candidate. Of course HHH retains one way or the other. Someone here(you know who you are) will post here and say "No biggie You KNOW Benoit will win the title in Edmonton in the next PPV". Next few weeks on Raw Benoit gets eased out of a HHH feud to another feud. Who you may ask?... Well they are going to the legendary(hint, hint) technical wrester hometown. What better way for the Legend Killer to add another one then defeating Chris Benoit clean in his home town.

Don't worry Benoit fans, all is not loss! WWE will never leave a wrestler who just feuded and lost to HHH and Crew out to dry, they will have something ready for Benoit after this. This is good, How about Benoit in a "Unlikely Duo" tag team. Who's his partner, well it's got to be John Heidenreich of course. He can bring out Little Johnny, then people could get Little Johnny and real Benoit confused. Imagine the humor and HAHA's this "Unlikely Oddball Tag Team" can bring... Things are looking up for Mr. Benoit, just ask RVD and Booker T. It's the semi-circle of life on Raw, you go up and meet HHH and then come down and stop.



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Yeah, yeah. Typical over-reaction. Just because you have a cap-shattering knee-jerk reaction to anything and everything that could possibly involve Triple H doesn't make Benoit to Raw bad.

Other than perhaps Chris Jericho, none of the wrestler discussed above are 'technically sound' in the way I would describe Chris Benoit. If you're complaining about Raw's main event scene now, how inputting Chris Benoit into makes it that much worse is far beyond my menial comprehension, apparently. Besides, if Chris stays on Smackdown, he's going to get overtaken by John Cena, and perhaps also Eddie Guerrero, in the underdog face role and not amount to anything over there. On a Goldberg-less Raw, Benoit is the number one face on the program, not playing second-fiddle to Kurt Angle or John Cena. On Raw, Chris Benoit is Chris Benoit, not a poor man's Kurt Angle.

Besides, it seems like it's you who considers these guys "nothing", since that's all your point-of-view. It sure isn't mine, obviously. And it sure as hell better not be the majority view, because I'd hate to think that every wrestling fan has a problem seeing the forest because of all those damn trees. Thankfully, I'll be able to enjoy Chris Benoit as a featured player, no matter what form it takes.

And futhermore, the guy hasn't even won the Rumble or jumped to Raw yet. You might be getting a little ahead of yourself in booking him all the way to Backlash. Sure it may seem like a lock because whoever keeps talking about it, but so was Benoit getting a title shot at the Rumble up until about January 3rd. I'm starting to think Benoit probably won't win the Rumble. If the big match is going to be Lesnar vs. Goldberg, the Rumble should reflect that.

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