I do LIKE and CARE about Hardcore Holly and watching the crowd reaction on the past SD...I would say that the crowd is behind him too!! I realise that he was in his home state but he was getting a pop like he was in his home TOWN. What the hell is the problem with this push against Brock?? I'm a Holly mark...I'll be the first to admit it...but he's drawing people in even if that includes people who want to see him get squashed...any fan love is fine by my books and it seems that half the guys posting here have a hard-on against him EITHER because Holly started out with a crap gimmick or because of the "ACTING" he pulled on TE3...this is entertainment folks...and by the way...it must have worked because you guys still moan about it!! If I had a buck for every guy who had a crap gimmick in their early years in the WWE...I'd be one rich grrl
Get over posting crap that tries to get folks to stroke your ego!!
Simmer down now! Sorry to burst your bubble Erin but Smackdown is taped and a lot of the crowd noise is added in. Holly is lucky its Rumble and not a Smackdown only PPV because I bet it would be one of the lowest buyrates ever. Sorry but Holly will never get over. This push is just a present for his loyalty to the company. And as for me making posts that everyone agrees with, what about my post about Smackdown being a "Latino Pride" show. I knew it would outrage many but I also knew people were thinking the same thing but didnt have the courage to say anything cause they didnt want to get flamed. I can give a shit what people are going to rate me and my posts, I say what I think and get a heated conversation brewing. Im not looking to be the "web pimp" of this board.
By the way Erin thats a cute gimmick you have there spelling girl, "grrl". I think I get it, its like your a cat going "grrr"? If I could go on a an assumption here, I bet your overweight and a huge Hardy Boyz/Lita mark. Am I right? Hell even if you say no, Im 5'5 with blonde hair and blue eyes, we all know your really lying.
Now as for my main man CRZ....My feelings on him are already known. If this thread was so crappy why did it get so many good/intelligent replys. Why are there good discussions going on. If you dont like the post just delete it almighty "web pimp". You already deleted and edited half my posts. Now you two can go back to stroking my ego.
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Originally posted by T.i.O a B.m.FI mean damn, he's being pushed like a damn main eventer on RAW. He gets a shitload of TV time and just picked up a win against Jericho this Monday. He even main evented a few times. Am I the only one who cant stand this guy. He's so damn boring yet he still gets a monster push. And speaking of undeserving pushes, what about Hardcore Holly?! Does anyone like or care about this guy? He is just plain annoying and now WWE is making it appear that Lesnar is afraid of him. This Holly/Lesnar feud reminds me of the Big Show/Bossman feud. Both were crap and Show beat Bossman in about 5 mins. I really hope at Rumble Lesnar beats Holly in 5 minutes. Does anyone else agree Henry and Holly should not be getting pushes?
Back to the questions at hand: While I'm not a fan of Mark Henry, I do like his current push. Sure, he took over the same push that was being given to Rodney Mack, but it works better for him. This man is "The World's Strongest Man". He's supposed to be a monster, kicking ass, tossing people aside like nothing, and scaring the hell out of everyone. His match this week with Jericho was actually one of his better matches. Theodore Long has renewed interest in the guy and I like it.
Hardcore Holly, I've always liked, sue me. This angle with Lesnar is perfect for him. I think he'd being booked well here. While we know he probably wont win... Just knowing that he has Brock scared shitless is good enough. I wasn't a fan of how they were booking Lesnar in the beginning. Hell, I thought he got the title too early in his career without having a personality and charisma. Today, I rather enjoy him and this feud with Holly.
In a nutshell, no... I'm not sick of Mark Henry or Hardcore Holly.
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I'm not sure what people mean by the "huge pop" Holly is supposedly getting on Smackdown. The last two weeks, I heard the crowd shit all over Holly as soon as he started doing heel actions. The first time when he low-blowed Show and hit him with a chair, and the second time when started choking Show with the chair. Both were way too brutal to be face actions, and I heard the crowd booing in recognition.
Originally posted by Ta2grrlMAYBE even drop the title to Hardcore for a month and then pass it off to Benoit or Cena or even back to Brock. We all agree that the lack of title defence is killing us all as fans...why not give it to a guy who would like nothing better then to fight for his shot every night??
No. No. No. No. No. Dropping the belt to Holly would be one of the worst decisions in recent history.
Originally posted by TorchslasherI respect Holly for being loyal to the WWF/E all this time
It's easy to be loyal when he's got nowhere else to go.
Both Henry and Holly are "new" faces for Lesnar/RAW Main Eventers to feud with. That is a good thing.
The FACT that Henry is not a good worker, nor is he good on the stick, same as Holly more or less, just means this is a one shot deal and then we get back to business.
My only PROBLEM here is I don't like seeing new or returning wrestlers THRUST into main event positions. They should go through the ranks, climb the ladder. Make it almost a possibility that say Holly can beat Brock. But we know he won't, it's impossible, he hasn't beaten anyone, he's just out here for the neck angle and thats all. Maybe if he had broken a few necks of his own, like Spanky, and Zach Gowen, and some other Smackdown nobodies, doing to them what Lesnar did to him, Lesnar would suddenly see this guy who is chasing him, destroying everything in his path to get to him, to break HIS neck out of revenge. But for Holly to just show up and now he got himself a title shot... that's stupid. It's not a PPV match, it should have been a TV match that could have been built up as a Brock second tier storyline.
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I've actually been somewhat enjoying Mark Henry since he came to Raw. I'm glad he's not World Strongest Man who pulls and lifts heavy stuff to prove how strong he is, that was lame. This is basic monster force, which works well for him, he's like one big grizzly bear (LoL at JR for an entire match going through every type of bear to compare to Mark Henry)... He's doing a good role for what he is, he's a big dude who can be a roadblock to your favorite babyface and gives off this "uh oh, babyface in trouble" when he's in there. He actually looks kinda mean these days too, actually he could very well be one of my favorite extra big dudes on the roster now. Now I don't think he should be champion of anything(same reason why I hate BigShow as champ). But Henry is good as an X-factor(not the move or team but the term), where he can be muscle for someone else.
Or it could be his cool entrance music, which is one of my favs in the WWE presently.
As for Bob Holly, never had much interest in him at all. I think the major thing that never flys with me is when they portray someone as "A real legit tough guy backstage". Lame when it was for Meng and lame here. Bob Holly's look, and moveset (offense or bumping) never really gives off this "Wow this dude is hardcore tough". What's his most famous move, a standing dropkick, doesn't sound too hardcore to me... For me it's almost comical hearing Bob Holly talking tough to Brock in hype for their match.
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Get your WWE CD copy autographed by Stone Cold Steve Austin, Chris Jericho, Trish Stratus and Lilian Garcia after Raw... Oh MY! Christmas has come late. Can't get better then that.
There's three wrestlers I wait for to wrestle before I go to bed; Chris Jericho, Matt Hardy and ... MARK f'n HENRY. I've never been so into Henry before, but he wrestles a pretty damn fine power style. There's no one in the buisness like him. Look at the size of his freakin' legs! It's insane. If he catches you he'll crush you, so you got to keep your distance to beat him. Teddy Long is just a huge bonus in the whole deal. He's one of the few guys on Raw that they are actually using right.
Originally posted by Net Hack SlasherI've actually been somewhat enjoying Mark Henry since he came to Raw. I'm glad he's not World Strongest Man who pulls and lifts heavy stuff to prove how strong he is....
As for Bob Holly, never had much interest in him at all. I think the major thing that never flys with me is when they portray someone as "A real legit tough guy backstage". Lame when it was for Meng and lame here. Bob Holly's look, and moveset (offense or bumping) never really gives off this "Wow this dude is hardcore tough". What's his most famous move, a standing dropkick, doesn't sound too hardcore to me...
Amen. You see, I've always felt that the moveset should match the character. "The World Strongest Man" should use power moves that showcase strength, perhaps at the expense of technique. (Why doesn't he have one of those OVW Hoss Special Powerbombs?)
"Legit tough guy" Bob "Hardcore" Holly should use more shoot-based offense, ESPECIALLY considering that he was a former Tough Enough trainer. He can have the Best Dropkick in the Business, fine, but he should also be pulling out a variety of grapples, suplexes and submission moves. Imagine if he employed a variety of head- and neck-based submission holds, to demonstrate that he was serious about wanting to break Brock's neck.
But short answer: I'm not sick of Henry, but I think he can definitely improve. (And call me crazy, but I'm starting to dig the "Marking Up" bit that does when he gets pissed off...
I haven't seen a lot of Mark Henry on Raw, but a week and a half ago I caught his match with RVD. When RVD was on the ropes and Henry did that "Big-Bossman-bounce-off-other-side-and-jump-on-your-back" move, but just slid down Rob's head onto the floor... I thought that was awesome.
Originally posted by Big GUsually when there is an accident, there can be blame aportioned to both parties. I didn't see the Angle one so I won't comment, but as has been stated on this site on numerous occasions, Holly was not quite the portrait of innocence you would have us believe in the incident with Lesnar
Kurt Angle did a moonsault and landed squarely on Holly's arm...shattering it completely...and Hardcore STILL finished the match. Kurt has said HIMSELF that it was his fault and has had nothing but good words for Holly since.
As for Brock...the GUESSES on this site about what did or didn't happen that night are just that...GUESSES. Maybe it was an accident cus Brock was sick..maybe it was revenge for Holly being stiff...maybe Hardcore sandbagged him...or maybe the two of them sold it TOGETHER as a way to bring Holly back after the neck surgury he was going to HAVE to have ANYWAYS!!! Take your pick...the story is selling and I'm the first one in line to buy it...REGARDLESS of which of the situations above is the real one!!
As for his selling his "Hardcore" name and the idea of wanting to break someone's neck...I guess that chair choke on BS didn't fly with you madiq...too bad really...I thought it was cool as f**k.
And what the hell has Holly been doing the last 3 months GPJO...shaving A-Train's backhair?? He's being running around like a freak...spouting off craziness and scaring the crap out of Brock...as well as tearing apart guys who get in the way...including BS, Matt Morgan, A-Train and Brock himself!! What the heck else are you looking for??
SS...Hardcore could be making the same amount of cash or more as a welder...he has several places he could be that don't include the WWE but he loves wrestling and does a good job...don't try to sell him short.
And Tiombf...you can assume whatever you like about me...you're nobody in the grand scheme of things and certainly not in my life. Hardcore is my guy...like it or lump it...I am neither fat nor a fan of Lita and the Hradyz but...hey...I guess its easier for you to throw shots from your parents basement then get out into the real world and grab a life eh ?!?
You also got to realise there is NO WAY WWWE is going to give a guy like Holly 2 months before there biggest show ever.
I actually think Holly might work as a psychotic midcard heel. According to his current feud he doesnt want Brocks belt, he wants to break his neck. That doesnt sound like a face to me.
They should have Holly lose rather quickly but then still attack Brock and go to break his neck. Security runs out and stops him and he gets suspended. You could then have him return as a total heel. My opinion is the fans dont want to cheer a bully, but he might however draw a good amount of heat.
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Originally posted by Ta2grrlKurt Angle did a moonsault and landed squarely on Holly's arm...shattering it completely...and Hardcore STILL finished the match. Kurt has said HIMSELF that it was his fault and has had nothing but good words for Holly since.
As for Brock...the GUESSES on this site about what did or didn't happen that night are just that...GUESSES. Maybe it was an accident cus Brock was sick..maybe it was revenge for Holly being stiff...maybe Hardcore sandbagged him...or maybe the two of them sold it TOGETHER as a way to bring Holly back after the neck surgury he was going to HAVE to have ANYWAYS!!!
Which is why I didn't comment on the Kurt incident, but exploring the vagueries in a similar manner as your good self ... did Bob have himself positioned properly to take a moonsault ... did Bob have his arms in an incorrect place ...etc.
The point I was making was that in a pure 'accident' it is extremely rare for it to be 100% one parties fault. Was it 100% Brocks fault - maybe, but in reality probably not. Was it 100% Bobs fault - probably not. This is all I was trying to illustrate, as some people around here tend to think in black and white. It wasn't meant to taken as a foundation for "Holly teh suk"
I watch wrestling looking - nay yearning to be entertained. Some characters entertain me, many at this time don't. A lot have sometimes entertained me and sometimes not. Its not a hard and fast rule. Who knows maybe Bob will surprise us all (well not Erin) and pull out a ball tearer at RR04. Then I will be entertained.
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Yes. I wouldn't even be answering this thread if not to counter the massive amount of love he's suddenly being shown. I'm not ashamed to say that he bores the fuck out of me. Its guys like him coming on my TV during WWE programming that make me stop to re-evaluate what the hell I'm watching, or why the hell I'm watching it. Thank God there are enough superstars that don't suck half as much as that piece of garbage. Sigh, 2 more years.
Now lets all remember that it is acting we're talking about here. Let's face it. I have watched people like spanky beat Big Show when the writers want them to. Now be realistic, does anyone here really believe that all those mid carders and almost no names vould have really beaten Big show? Naw , but that was his character. Just like Holly's and Henry's . Heck I remember when henry was getting his butt kicked and he wasn't doing anything less than he is now but it is his time to be in the spotlight so it has to look good. As for Teddy Long. never liked him, never will. I hate listening to all the race crap, can I call him racist and not get in trouble? Naw cause it is his character but I still get tired of hearing it.
As for Holly I have actually liked his wrestling for a while. He has basic wrestling skill and like it or not is tough as nails. I think he deserves a good push as he sure has been a jobber long enough. Whether he is a jerk in person or not I have no clue. For anyone who remembers the old memphis tn wrestling you will know this one. When I was young I wanted Lance Russell's autograph. he was the "Dean of commentators" in the day. I figured it was between matches and he was just sitting there sooo. Turns out he is the sorriest a** hole I have ever talked to. Heck Ox baker who was a MAJOR heel was nicer. But he did his job really well and that is what counts
To quoth Willem Dafoe in Spider-Man: "As much as the people love a hero, they love to see him fail, fall short, die trying... Sooner or later, they will turn on you." Sooner or later, public opinion will turn against Hogan.