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|#21 Posted on 9.9.03 1002.08 |
|I think we are missing the purpose of the women's division, at least in my opinion. It's not to have a viable wrestling division. It's to sell merchandise, ie diva calendars, diva videos, diva PPV's, etc. I think this is where the WWE sees the women making money for them, not selling wrestling events and wrestling PPV's.(and because of this, they will always be made up like "glamour models", regardless of what direction they take the division)|
Now, I think with the right storylines and angles, they could probably garner bigger reactions for actual wrestling matches from live crowds (as some have pointed out, Steph/Trish seemed to work. I also remember a Steph/Lita match as a RAW main event that actually felt like it belonged in the main event slot) But would that translate to $'s, and in particular more $'s than the men who they would have to replace on the shows (because they would have to have more time than the 3-5 minutes match and all total they get on each show now). That I'm not to sure about. I think Nag layed out the risks of this pretty well, I was going to say that women's wrestling wasn't as good as men's, but I think saying that it's just a different style is more accurate. Would WWE fans be willing to buy into that different style for more than just special attractions? Or for it to actually work, do you have to promote it to a different set of fans?
So basically I think the women are more or less playing the Anna Kournikova's of wrestling, and are not really meant to be any more. They are just stuck out there just enough to be considered WWE Superstars, and not just another pretty face. And they get to do matches probably to keep them feeling a little better about themselves, as they can convince themselves that they are more than just eye-candy. But they are probably no real plans to advance the division more than that. They are making WWE money in the way that they are suppose to. The WWE probably sees no reason to change that, and certainly not at any great risk.
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|#22 Posted on 9.9.03 1121.04 | Instant Rating: 5.15|
|I think Anna Kournikova is a good comparison. The right amount of talent to appease the wrestling fans and the sexuality to excite the male dominated audience.|
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|#23 Posted on 9.9.03 1253.17 |
|There are three problems with the womenís division:|
1) Still viewed as a source of T&A. The casual fans have been conditioned to view pretty much all of the women that way, and the fact that the Smackdown women are almost universally treated that way doesnít help (with the exception of Shaniqua, whoís pretty much booked like Smackdownís Jazz). Neither does the RAW presence of Jackie Gayda or Stacy Kiebler.
2) No long term planning. Itís been said before, but pretty much ever womenís feud for the last year has been Trish vs. whoever. Heck, I canít remember how long itís been since Trish hasnít been competing for it Ė in recent years I think sheís been in the womenís title picture for a longer consecutive stretch than any individual or tag team competing for a menís division title (yes, even HHH).
3) A competative field thatís been hurt by injuries, absences, and incompetence. Jazz was out for a while (and hasnít been around much lately). Litaís been out for nearly a year. Ivoryís been working as a trainer for Tough Enough. Jacqueline and Molly... well, I donít know where theyíve been. Jackie Gayda and Gail Kim both debuted, but blew spots all over the place.
Hopefully the addition of Alexis Laree from NWA-TNA helps them out a bit, although Iím surprised they didnít plumb the depths of WOW after it imploded. I recall hearing good things about several of the girls there (the girl playing Beckie the Farmerís Daughter was supposed to be a good worker bump-freak, and Danger was described by several people as the female Rock with her promos).
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|#24 Posted on 10.9.03 0032.51 |
1. this isn't joshi so let's not gush over the fact that with plenty of training they can do some relatively simple stuff.
2. it's an on-off thing--it's the in-thing for a while then fades then comes back.
3. it's not so much they want serious women wrestlers as much as valets who can do more than the occasional bump. just take a look at how a lot of the current ones debuted.
4. same story/angles. Trish is in the same role as Madusa and Richter.
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|#25 Posted on 10.9.03 0444.15 |
Originally posted by InVerse
Lance Storm posted a commentary yesterday that I think a lot of people here will find interesting.
First of all, I was interested to find out that Lance has been a big part of training the Raw women. Seems like Fit Finley hasn't had to do it all on his own
Not too surprising. Storm in the early to mid 90s was a trainer at the Hart Dungeon in Calgary.
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|AIM: || ||#26 Posted on 10.9.03 0956.41 |
|Let's face it, the women are never going to be competitive to the main eventers on the men side or even the upper midcarders or even the mid midcarders because they just aren't that good. I enjoy the women's matches but are they on the same level as Goldberg/Evolution or HBK/Orton? No. Are they on the same level as Jericho/Kane/Christian/RVD? No. Are they on the same level as Hurricane/Lance/Goldust? No. THey can have the best match of their careers and still not be better than a meidocre match by the men's midcarders. Do we nitpick and point out the errors of the women more often than men just because they are women? No, we nitpick when they make errors because the one women's match on the show usually has more erros than all the men's matches combined for the past month, especially now that Gail has bee on tv. |
THe fact that they will never have a five star match can be hidden with the right kind of storyline but I doubt they will ever give it a chance.
Also, I love Trish, he's hard worker, she does everything she's told, and of course she's great to look at, but she's getting old. Give me someone else. They need some new fresh faces to add to the division. I know Victoria does skits on Heat, but does she ever wrestle? I say give the division a prominent role on Heat along with a midcard spot on Raw.
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|#27 Posted on 13.9.03 0201.47 |
|There are only to wrestlers in the current division that had training in Japan: Ivory and Molly. |
Jacqueline had more work with the guys than anyone else.
Each of them, women trainers from time to time, are not like Chigusa, who runs her Gaea Girls school like 24-hour boot camp. Fit is doing very very well with the women, but there may be a time soon in which the skills of the women may plateau, and they need a push from somewhere, someone else to go to the next level. Maybe the WWE could pull off the biggest coup ever and hire Remi Yokota as a trainer.
The divas should not be about T&A, they should be about Kicking A.
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