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Noted sabrmetrician Tom Tango was asked today whether Chipper Jones' 16+ seasons, all under manager Bobby Cox is a record. He set his computer to work on that question and came up with a couple answers to interesting trivia questions.

First, the answer is yes, Chipper's 16+ seasons under one and only one major league manager is a record. The full list (minimum 9 seasons) is

    Chipper Jones, managed by Bobby Cox, 1993 - Present
    Don Drysdale, managed by Walter Alston, 1956 - 1969
    Eddie Rommel, managed by Connie Mack, 1920 - 1932
    Mike Scioscia, managed by Tommy Lasorda, 1980 - 1992
    Deacon Phillipe, managed by Fred Clarke, 1899 - 1911
    Sandy Koufax, managed by Walter Alston, 1955 - 1966
    Gil McDougald, managed by Casey Stengel, 1951 - 1960
    Red Rolfe, managed by Joe McCarthy, 1931 - 1942
    Albert Pujols, managed by Tony LaRussa, 2001 - Present
    Wes Parker, managed by Walter Alston, 1964 - 1972
    Jerry Coleman, managed by Casey Stengel, 1949 - 1957
    Scot Shields, managed by Mike Scioscia, 2001 - Present
    George Selkirk, managed by Joe McCarthy, 1934 - 1942


So someone noted that Mike Scioscia spent his entire career being managed by Tommy Lasorda, and now Scot Shields has spent his entire career being managed by Mike Scioscia.

I also thought it was interesting that there were 3 players managed by Walter Alston and 1 by Tommy Lasorda. Between the two of them, they managed the Dodgers from 1954 to 1996.

The idea of managing future managers led to the question: Which manager has managed the most future managers?


    Jon McGraw was a Player/Manager from 1899 to 1906, and a full time manager from 1907 to 1932. In those 34 years of managing, he managed 41 players who would at some point be a manager themselves.
    In the post-player/manager era, the record is held by Dick Williams and Gene Mauch, who each managed 21 future managers. Williams managed for 6 teams from 1951 and 1964, and Mauch managed for 4 teams from 1960 to 1987.


Then they thought, why not look at it the other way? Which collection of players from any one year had the most future managers in it?



    In the player/manager era, there are 10 different teams who had 9 future managers on their roster.
    At this moment, the record for the post-player/manager era is 6, held by the 1979 Phildelphia Phillies, the 1969 & 1972 Los Angeles Dodgers, and the 1970 & 1971 Cincinnati Reds.


And the future managers in question are:

    1970-1971 Cincinnati Reds:
    1. Tommy Helms, who managed the Cincinnati Reds for 27 games in 1988 while Pete Rose was suspended for pushing umpire Dave Pallone (this stint may not count), and the last 37 games in 1989 after Rose was banned from baseball.
    2. Tony Perez, who managed the Cincinnati Reds for the first 44 games in 1993 and the Florida Marlins for the last 114 games in 2001.
    3. Pete Rose, who was traded back to the Cincinnati Reds in 1984 and immediately named player/manager. He continued managing until he was banned from baseball partway through the 1989 season for betting on baseball games.
    4. Hal McRae, who took over managing the Kansas City Royals partway through 1991, and held that job through 1994. He later managed the Tampa Bay Devil Rays for most of 2001 and 2002.
    5. Pat Corrales, who managed the Texas Rangers, the Philadelphia Phillies, and the Cleveland Indians between 1978 and 1987.
    6. Bill Plummer, who managed the Seattle Mariners in 1992.



    1969 / 1972 Los Angeles Dodgers
    4 future managers were with the club for both years.
    1. Maury Wills, who managed the Seattle Mariners for the last 58 games in 1980 and the first 25 games in 1981.
    2. Jim Lefebvre, who managed the Seattle Mariners from 1989 to 1991, the Chicago Cubs for 1992 and 1993, and the Milwaukee Brewers for the final 49 games of 1999.
    3. Bill Russell, who managed the Los Angeles Dodgers for two seasons from the last 86 games of 1996 to the first 74 games of 1998.
    4. Bobby Valentine, who pinch ran in 5 games in 1969 before becoming a full time player in 1971, managed the Texas Rangers from 1985 to 1992 and the New York Mets from 1996 to 2002.
    Joining them on the 1969 team were:
    5A. Jeff Torborg, who managed 5 different clubs between 1977 and 2003.
    6A. Ken Boyer, who managed the St. Louis Cardinals between 1978 and 1980.
    and the 1972 team had:
    5B. Frank Robinson, who spent 1972 with the Dodgers, and later was player/manager for 2 1/2 seasons with the Cleveland Indians, and later had stints managin the San Francisco Giants, Baltimore Orioles, and Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals.
    6B. Davey Lopes, who managed the Milwaukee Brewers from 2000 to partway through 2002.



    1979 Philadelphia Phillies
    1. the aforementioned Pete Rose
    2. Bob Boone, who managed the Kansas City Royals from 1995 to 1997 and the Cincinnati Reds from 2001 to 2003.
    3. Larry Bowa, who managed the San Diego Padres in 1987 and 1988, and the Philadelphia Phillies from 2001 to 2004.
    4. Bud Harrelson, who managed the New York Mets in 1990 and 1991.
    5. John Vukovich, who managed the a doubleheader for the Chicago Cubs in 1986 and managed the Philadelphia Phillies for the last 9 games in 1988.
    6. Pete Mackanin, who managed the Pittsburgh Pirates for the last 26 games of 2005 and the Cincinnati Reds for the last 80 games of 2007.


A couple answers to some interesting questions, and a chance for you reminisce about any of these players/managers, should you so desire.
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This is what I dig about Baseball - the stats - especially random ones like this - are awesome.

I need to get my stat machine working and see something I was thinking about when reading all this - I wonder what player, having spent his entire career with one team, had the most managers.

Ernie Banks played for the Cubs from September 17, 1953 to September 26, 1971.

During that time, the Cubs had 12 managers
Phil Cavarretta
Stan Hack
Bob Scheffing
Charlie Grimm
Lou Boudreau
Vedie Himsl
Harry Craft
El Tappe
Lou Klein
Charlie Metro
Bob Kennedy
Leo Durocher

Now I have no idea if that is the top, but it was the first one that came to mind for me.

Cal Ripkin played for the O's from August 10, 1981 to October 6, 2001. He had 9 managers

Earl Weaver
Joe Altobelli
Cal Ripken, Sr
Frank Robinson
Johnny Oates
Phil Regan
Davey Johnson
Ray Miller
Mike Hargrove

Craig Biggio played for the Astros from June 26, 1988 to September 30, 2007. He had just 6 managers

Art Howe
Terry Collins
Larry Dierker
Jimy Williams
Phil Garner
Cecil Cooper





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John Smoltz played for the Braves from 1988 to 2008, but Bobby Cox was only the GM when Smoltz joined the team and Cox didn't take over managerial duties until 1990, so he doesn't technically qualify. But he played under Cox longer than Chipper Jones did.

Anther player who played for many managers with one team is Carl Yastrzemski (11 managers in 23 seasons with the Red Sox, though that includes two stints by Johnny Pesky). I only looked him up because I know he and Brooks Robinson (who played for six managers) share the record for most seasons with only one team. It seems unlikely to me that anyone would be able to match Banks' 12.



Big Bad
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I think AWA was on the right track with Banks. It has to be a player who stayed in one place for his whole career for a really long time, and for a lousy team that cycled through a lot of different skippers. The great Walter Johnson leapt to mind for me since Washington had a lot of garbage teams in his day, but over his 21 years he played for 'just' seven managers.

Robin Yount checks in with nine managers. So does George Brett.

Chipper was mentioned earlier, but the best Brave ever (Hank Aaron) played under 10 different managers in Atlanta. That doesn't count Aaron's two years with the Brewers at the end of his career.

TheOldMan
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Don Mattingly, NY Yankees (1982-1995)

82: Bob Lemon
82: Gene Michael
82: Clyde King
83: Billy Martin
84-85: Yogi Berra
85: Billy Martin
86-88: Lou Piniella
88: Billy Martin
89: Dallas Green
89-90: Bucky Dent
90-91: Stump Merrill
92-95: Buck Showalter

(You knew Steinbrenner would have to be in here somewhere.) Of course you have to count multiple Martin tenures, and sadly Donnie Baseball only played 7 games in '82, so you really can't give him full credit for the dozen.

Of course Banks' record deserves a bit of an asterisk for getting caught up in the whole "College of Coaches" fiasco.



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Banks actually had more than 12 if you count coaches that served more than once like in the case of mattingly. 19 in this counting. There were 5 guys who were manager in one year (1961) and a total of 8 manager changes that year.

Mattingly only had 10 different managers. Except El Tappe and Harry Craft and Vedie Himsl, all the other guys managed seasons outside the college. Only Vedie and Harry only managed a few game (vedie just 32 and Harry just 16) The rest managed over 100 games each

Phil Cavarretta
Stan Hack
Bob Scheffing
Charlie Grimm
Lou Boudreau
Vedie Himsl
Harry Craft
Vedie Himsl
El Tappe
Harry Craft
Vedie Himsl
El Tappe
Lou Klein
El Tappe
Lou Klein
Charlie Metro
Bob Kennedy
Lou Klein
Leo Durocher



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djp
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Surprisingly, Tony Gwynn had only five different managers. I would have thought that over the course of 20 seasons playing for some pretty bad teams, he would have seen more like eight or nine.
Mr. Boffo
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Since: 24.3.02
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Tom Tango answered my question: most managers for one player.

Mike Morgan had 24 managers in 22 seasons. He says Dave Kingman (it helps that Kingman had 5 different managers in 1977 alone), Tommy John, and Rick Cerone are second in the modern era with 21.
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