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link from Washington Post

here's a nice little quote:

The outcry was raised over a December operation in which plainclothes officers entered 20 bars in Reston and Herndon looking for violations of state liquor laws. In three establishments, the agents summoned uniformed officers who arrested nine patrons for being drunk in public, a Class 4 misdemeanor. In Virginia, bars and restaurants are considered public places. Public intoxication is defined not by blood alcohol levels but by behavior and appearance.


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Police say their tactics have been unfairly characterized. Police Chief J. Thomas Manger alleged yesterday that an organized campaign against police has been spread on the Internet.

"People think that customers were yanked off bar stools by SWAT teams," he said. "That's untrue. What's true is that 18 people were asked to do sobriety tests voluntarily [and] half of whom were arrested. Public intoxication is against the law. You can't be drunk in a bar."

Asked where one could get drunk, he replied, "At home. Or at someone else's home, and stay there till you're not drunk."





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When I read the thread title, I thought it read "drunk in a bear." That would be stupid, but this is, in fact, even stupider.



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Thats the law in Britain too I'm afraid kiddies.

I work part time in a bar and its illegal for us to be serving people who are 'excessively' drunk.

It kinda makes sense cos you dont be wanting to be putting up with a bunch of pissheads if your just out for a quiet drink. The laws are enforced pretty leniantly in clubs but if a bar gets a rep for serving drunks the police'll soon take an interest.



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it me it seems kinda ironic, like being arrested at a pool for being excessively wet, or at a gym for being excessivly sweaty.

it is assumed that people will be drunk at a bar.

i guess i'm alone on that one...



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    Originally posted by dMr
    Thats the law in Britain too I'm afraid kiddies.

    I work part time in a bar and its illegal for us to be serving people who are 'excessively' drunk.

    It kinda makes sense cos you dont be wanting to be putting up with a bunch of pissheads if your just out for a quiet drink. The laws are enforced pretty leniantly in clubs but if a bar gets a rep for serving drunks the police'll soon take an interest.



That's not the only stupid drinking law in England. Isn't bar time 11:00 PM?



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    Originally posted by dMr


    It kinda makes sense cos you dont be wanting to be putting up with a bunch of pissheads if your just out for a quiet drink.



If you're just out for a "quiet drink", why would you go to, or perhaps more importantly, stay at a bar where said pissheads are drinking? I'm sure there are numerous establishments within driving distance of almost every town where one could expect a reasonably low key atmosphere.

Sending the cops to a club or reputed party spot to throw people in the tank seems a little over the top. Sure, if they're fighting or causing a disturbance, I'm all for tossing them from the bar. I thought that was what bouncers were for. I'd much prefer to see the police set up shop outside the bar and catch people driving home drunk. Honestly, isn't there any real crime for these guys to fight?







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Actually, to the best of my knowlege, it is illegal to be drunk in a bar EVERYWHERE. I know in a state like Arizona, the rational is that a bar is not a place to go to get drunk, it is a place to socialize that just happens to sell alcohol. Granted, it is rarely enforced, but that is the very reason that a bartender is obligated to "cut you off" if they feel you have had too much to drink.



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C'mon. There's drunk, and then there's roaring, staggering drunk. They're going after Andy Capps here, not people who've had two drinks and are responsibly waiting before driving anywhere...




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    Originally posted by rikidozan
    it me it seems kinda ironic, like being arrested at a pool for being excessively wet, or at a gym for being excessivly sweaty.

    it is assumed that people will be drunk at a bar.



I think that the difference is that unless the sweat reeks REALLY bad (bad enough to endanger someone) or if drowning is what you'd classify as too wet, consuming vast quantities of alcohol endangers other people.




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    Originally posted by El Nastio

      Originally posted by rikidozan
      it me it seems kinda ironic, like being arrested at a pool for being excessively wet, or at a gym for being excessivly sweaty.

      it is assumed that people will be drunk at a bar.



    I think that the difference is that unless the sweat reeks REALLY bad (bad enough to endanger someone) or if drowning is what you'd classify as too wet, consuming vast quantities of alcohol endangers other people.



according to the article, "drunk" is defined not by blood alcohol levels but by behavior and appearance. so everyone getting busted is by judgment of the cops, nothing more. someone who becomes a loon after 2 shots could be busted, yet the calm, silent one at the bar who is on his 6th pint in an hour is left alone, but has consumed more alcohol.



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It's just the way the laws work, riki. If the bartender continued to serve drinks to a raving loon, then the police could easily arrest him as well.

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    Originally posted by MoeGates

      Originally posted by dMr
      Thats the law in Britain too I'm afraid kiddies.

      I work part time in a bar and its illegal for us to be serving people who are 'excessively' drunk.

      It kinda makes sense cos you dont be wanting to be putting up with a bunch of pissheads if your just out for a quiet drink. The laws are enforced pretty leniantly in clubs but if a bar gets a rep for serving drunks the police'll soon take an interest.



    That's not the only stupid drinking law in England. Isn't bar time 11:00 PM?



Pah! England. Here in Edinburgh most bars shut at 1am and clubs 3 to 5 am. Over the festival and new year periods licenses are extended by 2 hours. If you know where to go you can drink 24 hours up here.

And while I dont agree that you should have police giving sobriety tests I do think anyone whos excessively drunk should not be served more alcohol. Cleaning up sick and breaking up fights are not my favourite past times. Nor is explaining to a 250lb monster that his attempts to 'woo' every young lady in the bar are not being appreciated

Personally I judge every case on its merit. Drunkenness is not an exact science though it is one I've been trying to perfect with lots of hands on experience. If theres a guy who looks like he might be trouble he'll get cut off earlier than say a stag party thats obviously out for a good time. Basically, as long as folks ain't stopping me doing my job or other drinkers having a good time they're good to drink.



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I was a bartender for a bit, and it was generally understood that you wouldn't serve someone if they were obviously drunk out of their mind- unable to make complete sentences, puking, starting fights for no reason, etc. If you can sit down and have twenty drinks and not make an ass out of yourself, you're welcome to keep drinking.

Saying it's illegal to be drunk in a bar is insane. If the Denver PD tried some shit like that there would be riots.



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