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A late company holiday party means we're definitely going Q'n'D for one more week.

BOBBY ROODE comes out for our opening promo. He's confused over what happened at Final Resolution, given the business investment that he made. He made a deal with Aces & Eights and a deal is supposed to be a deal, so he demands ANSWERS! So here are ACES & EIGHTS to provide them. Devon says that a better deal came along, noting that someone else paid them more. Roode wants to know who, but Devon won't say. Although Devon cryptically notes that Roode may get his answer later tonight. Roode exits hastily as Devon and Doc enter the ring, but here are JEFF HARDY and "COWBOY" JAMES STORM for our next interruption. Jeff says they're here to fight, so they clear the ring of the Aces. Hit Jeff's music!

Your hosts are Todd Keneley, Mike Tenay, and Taz. They talk about what happened before seguing to Velvet Sky's return. Dear God...

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Here's a look at what happened last Sunday between Tara and Mickie James.

MADISON RAYNE v. VELVET SKY
Uuuuuuugh, I'm not happy to re-visit the Velvet Sky era. She wins with the sit-out Pedigree.

WINNER: Velvet Sky - Blech.

Backstage, Kurt Angle tells Wes Brisco and Garrett Bischoff are on their own tonight. Kurt then passes them some 5-Hour Energy in a completely organic moment. That isn't a shameless promotion at all! No sir! It sure isn't!

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Annoying Backstage Guy asks Kaz and Daniels if they paid off Aces & Eights, which they scoff at. They say that the prime suspect should be AJ Styles.

We look back at Final Resolution and the 8-man.

ROBBIES E & T v. GARRETT BISCHOFF & WES BRISCO (w/KURT ANGLE)
Oh, dear God! Who thought THIS match was a good idea? When Robbie E is your best wrestler, you have a problem. Bischoff hits T with a shitty jawbreaker while Brisco finishes with a top-rope crossbody.

WINNERS: Garrett Bischoff & Wes Brisco - Blech again.

Post-match, one of the Aces sneaks up behind Kurt and Kerrigans his knee. Why? Why? WHYYYYYYY???

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Backstage, medical personnel check on Kurt's knee.

Your hosts are Todd Keneley, Mike Tenay, and Taz. They remember that Joseph Park exists! They shoot it off to his training session!

Joseph Park drives to Ohio Valley Wrestling. There, he finds Danny Davis (!) and asks if he can learn to wrestle. Davis starts Park off right away, putting him through the ringer. Park runs laps around the ring! He does (tries to do?) sit-ups! "You can't give me ONE sit-up?" Park tries to talk to the camera, but Davis reams him as soon as he catches him. This is fantastic!

So let's go to something NOT fantastic and go backstage to Brooke Hogan. Tara and Jessie enter her office and Tara says she doesn't want any hard feelings when Jesse beats Bully Ray tonight. Tara says she wants to help Brooke select her opponent for Championship Thursday, but Brooke balks at that idea. Whatever.

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Backstage, Kenny King says that his match with Rob Van Dam was a dream match, but he's learned from his loss and he's going to knock RVD on his ass.

"COWBOY" JAMES STORM & "THE CHARISMATIC ENIGMA" JEFF HARDY v. ACES & EIGHTS
Tonight, the Aces are represented by Doc and Random Masked Guy #1. Jeff is painted in a sky blue, looking like a gay Smurf. And God, this is a LOOOONG match. I don't mind long heat segments, but Doc and this other guy are not the guys to pull it off. We get run-ins from Random Masked Guy #3, Bane, and Devon (with a baseball bat), who all fail. Storm and Jeff finish with the Last Call and Twist of Fate.

WINNERS: Jeff Hardy and James Storm - For a group that eats up so much airtime, the Aces REALLY suck at winning matches.

Post-match, Devon grabs the mic and asks if they want to know who paid them off. Well, I'm pretty sure neither Storm, nor Hardy asked, but I'll bet he's going to tell us anyway. Devon says the Aces were paid off by Austin Aries. Huh...ok.

Your hosts are Todd Keneley, Mike Tenay, and Taz, who sell confusion.

Backstage, Hulk Hogan looks apopleptic over what we just heard. Bobby Roode enters the picture. "Hulk, did you hear what I heard? Austin Aries paid off Aces & Eights? Who the hell does that?" HA! Aries calls Hogan on his cell phone and Hogan has to hold Roode back. Hogan wants to know what the deal is with Aries and the Aces by the end of the night. Wait, wait, wait, hold on a second...for the last month, Hogan couldn't be bothered with the Aces...and NOW he cares about this? Goddamn, he's a TERRIBLE GM!

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We look back at last Sunday's Styles/Daniels match.

So here's "THE PHENOMENAL" AJ STYLES for our next promo. Styles says he doesn't have to tell the people anything. He shrugs off a "You still got it" chant. Styles doesn't know where he's going, because he's focused so much on being a corporate guy that he's forgotten about himself. Styles says he's tired of cleaning up every TNA mess, so he's going to look out for himself now. And that's it.

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Backstage, we see Dixie Carter and WHO'S READY FOR SOME ACTING??? Dixie stops AJ and asks "Who are you?" AJ just throws a shirt in her face.

Elsewhere backstage, Kaz and Daniels revel over sending Styles packing. I have a really bad feeling that this is somehow going to lead to ANOTHER round of Styles/Daniels. Kaz says he has a gift for Daniels later.

KENNY KING v. ROB VAN DAM: NON-TITLE MATCH
A better match than the PPV, but that isn't saying much. Van Dam comes off with a top-rope crossbody, but King reverses it into a Flair pin for the win.

WINNER: Kenny King - Van Dam's looking pretty old these days. King's getting better by the week.

Backstage, Bully Ray and Hulk Hogan argue some more over Brooke, so this insipid angle isn't over yet, I guess. Hogan even refers to Ray as "Mark," because this is a SHOOT, BROTHER! Goddamn, this angle is so stupid.

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JESSE (w/TARA) v. BULLY RAY
Jesse's a dead man walking here. And sure enough, this is a squash, with Ray killing him dead with some stiff shots. Tara begs for Jesse's life, so Ray spanks her and the distraction finally allows Jesse to get some offense in. But the Bully Cutter ends this one shortly after.

WINNER: Bully Ray - Ray is being WASTED right now, because this crowd is DYING to cheer for him to put some Aces guys through tables and this company would rather have him involved in that ridiculous Hogan soap opera. I don't know if they're waiting for Sting to come back or what the deal is, but something needs to change.

Backstage, Austin Aries says he'll give his explanation to the world after the break.

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Here's AUSTIN ARIES for our main event promo. Aries admits that he paid off the Aces and tells Roode that his money sings loud and clear. Since when does Aries have more money than Roode? What has that ever been established? And it's nice to see Aries be so forgiving about that broken arm thing. Oh wait, Aries actually addresses this, noting that Hogan put him on the front lines to fight his battles for him. And Aries' reward for fighting the Aces was for Hogan to back Jeff Hardy. You know, the man DOES have a point here. So THAT is the reason that Aries has been such a dick in the last few months and he'll keep going until he gets his title back. That brings out JEFF HARDY out for rebuttal. Jeff says that all Aries had to do was ask, to which Aries clearly points out that that's bullshit, since he's had to jump through hoops to get everything. Jeff points out that next week is Championship Thursday, so he proposes Aries/Hardy III! Aries derides this idea, because he doesn't want to do it in front of the Impact Zone Mutants, since they're all rabid Jeff Hardy fans. Aries says they'll do the match on his terms and won't do what the fans want. Jeff says he always does what the fans want before sucker punching Aries. Both men go at it and Aries' Brainbuster is countered with the Twist of Fate. Aries rolls out of the way of the Swanton and Jeff's able to stop Aries from stealing the title belt again. Hit Jeff's music! Closing credits are up and we're out!

FINAL THOUGHT

If anything good is coming out of these silly angles, it's that at least NOW we have some logical motivation for Aries and his heelish actions. And they've tied his actions into his all-too-brief title run.

But the rest of the show is not good. The Aces continue to overshadow most of the show with no hope of angle advancement until Sting comes back, at the earliest. And the Hulk Hogan/Bully Ray angle continues to be death, mostly because nobody even knows what the point of their angle even is.

We slog along towards the new year. Until next time! Take us home, Joseph Park!






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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.39
Joseph Park in OVW is good shit.

Kurt Angle shilling 5 Hour Energy is NOT good shit. It's depressing, actually. It's like when everyone was 'icing' Ric Flair last year.

Aces and Eights leader Brooke Hogan made Bully Ray fight Jesse as, yet again, to keep him away from going after any Aces and Eights guys. She's smart and conniving. She knows Bully Ray, when not distracted, will tear them all new assholes. Well played Brooke.

(edited by Cerebus on 14.12.12 0652)


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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.42
Does Hogan wants credit for getting Ray over?



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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.74
Watching Aces and Eights is like watching Raven's Flock without Raven or Perry Saturn.

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Since: 19.8.05
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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.49
    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    Watching Aces and Eights is like watching Raven's Flock without Raven or Perry Saturn.



Exactly, awesome. Like having Van Hammer and Sick Boy unmask and expecting people to be shocked.
OndaGrande
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Since: 1.5.03
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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.42

Flush that show down the toilet! Aries' promo was of course great as was Roode's but otherwise nothing above mildly engaging. Even the KO's were just there.
I love Madison Rayne & she did her best to save the match, but VelVel is the Kelly Kelly of TNA. She's very attractive but down there with Brooke T as far as her wrestling ( especially considering how long she's been in the business ). I'm sure she's a fairly cool person IRL, but babyface DOESN'T work for her. At least when she's a heel it's believable and covers up her limited ring abilities.
Kenny King was pretty good in ROH & he put in his work here, but as has been said, RVD is losing steps fast.



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It's False
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.04
    Originally posted by OndaGrande
    I love Madison Rayne & she did her best to save the match, but VelVel is the Kelly Kelly of TNA.


I'd give that title to Tessmacher, who actually adopted the stinkface and screaming headscissors into her moveset.

Seriously, when did Kelly Kelly become the patron saint of women's wrestling? And do I want to live in that world?



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Since: 1.5.03
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.42

believe me False, when I compare someone to K2 it's not a good thing, she's more of a "whipping boy" to me. and like I said, I have nothing against Jamie Szantyr the person ( or for that matter Barbara Blank ) but I only like Velvet Sky when she's a heel.
As far as Patron Saints of Women's Wrestling, my votes go to Gail Kim, Portia Perez, Rain, Allison Danger & Sara Del Rey ;)



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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.90
I liked the show this week. Bobby Roode's show opening promos are always enjoyable. I am starting to get a kick out of his "dammit" catchphrase. The AJ, Bad Influences, and Hogan/Ray segments were great.

When Kurt reached into his locker to give Aces and Eights a drink, I was hoping for him to pull out Daniels' appletini.

I miss Winter. I miss Sarita. I miss Ric Flair getting iced.
miknight
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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.22
Kind of a belated side-note, i'm thinking that D-Lo might be the Bane/VP of Aces and Eights.

Al Snow misses his spot in the deliberation of Wes Briscoe's Gutcheck, because D-Lo drugged him to make sure that the third vote was solidified for Wes.

This gets Wes a contract and foreshadow's D-Lo quite nicely. Giving them 2-3 guys 'on the inside', assuming Garrett is also a member.

Plus, he fits the size of Bane pretty well after seeing him standing amongst the Aces crew this week.

Just a thought.



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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.04
    Originally posted by Cerebus
    Joseph Park in OVW is good shit.

    Kurt Angle shilling 5 Hour Energy is NOT good shit. It's depressing, actually. It's like when everyone was 'icing' Ric Flair last year.(edited by Cerebus on 14.12.12 0652)
Maybe next week we'll see Clint Bowyer too?

Sponsorship in wrestling is necessary sometimes, but not if it's awkward like that.



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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.45
    Originally posted by Oliver
      Originally posted by Cerebus
      Joseph Park in OVW is good shit.

      Kurt Angle shilling 5 Hour Energy is NOT good shit. It's depressing, actually. It's like when everyone was 'icing' Ric Flair last year.(edited by Cerebus on 14.12.12 0652)
    Maybe next week we'll see Clint Bowyer too?

    Sponsorship in wrestling is necessary sometimes, but not if it's awkward like that.


I'd rather them just do like UFC and slap some logos on the mat and turnbuckles.
Cerebus
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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.39
    Originally posted by Scottyflamingo
      Originally posted by Oliver
      Sponsorship in wrestling is necessary sometimes, but not if it's awkward like that.


    I'd rather them just do like UFC and slap some logos on the mat and turnbuckles.


Why not have each wrestler have a sponsor or two. Like how NASCAR does it. Put some company logos on the wrestlers wring gear or something?



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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.28
    Originally posted by Scottyflamingo
    I'd rather them just do like UFC and slap some logos on the mat and turnbuckles.


It's probably because they have Kurt Angle doing a commercial for it, and not simply a logo on screen somewhere, that they're getting paid whatever they're getting paid by the sponsor. They don't really get to choose, unless they're choosing how much (or if) they get paid.

ALSO: the general sentiment would be to freak out if there were advertisements everywhere. (I know this because CMLL had advertisements everywhere, and the first impression everyone has is to freak out.) People would get used to them over time but there's the other problem...

    Originally posted by Cerebus
    Why not have each wrestler have a sponsor or two. Like how NASCAR does it. Put some company logos on the wrestlers wring gear or something?


Original poster (Oliver) was against sponsors that make the wrestlers look low rent. If that's the best they can do, then 'each wrestler have a sponsor or two' means someone's repping Chico's Bail Bonds, assuming the unlikely event they could even drum up enough sponsors for everyone.

UFC and other MMA fighters are easier to sponsor because
- the vast majority of MMA fighters aren't getting much money off those sponsors. mid/upper UFC guys probably are, but TNA isn't near them.
- you're paying for a single fight, where you know the exact level of exposure, instead of guy who may or may not be on TV every week and may or may be an important role depending on the people in charge
- there's little danger in a MMA fighter turning into despicable heel. On the odd chance he does, you can drop sponsoring him (and look good for it.) Half the wrestlers are going to be heel - and in TNA, the other half is about to be - and not all of them are lovable like Daniels and Kazarian.
- TNA doesn't exist outside of 2 hours on Spike (and pirated streams once a month.) People might talk about your sponsored MMA fighter beyond their shows.



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