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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.73
I didn't see the entire show as I was flipping back and forth between Impact and the the Rangers-Flames game. What I saw on Impact wasn't too good due to all the time spent on the non wrestlers and the lack of actual wrestling,



The opening segment was interminable. TNA has done a good job cutting the opening talk segments to ten minutes the past few months, but tonight's show it lasted a half an hour. It was very much like last years Impact after BFG. Dixie making Sting the authority figure makes sense from the perspective that he got her back the company. We can only hope that we won't be seeing Dixie on TV anymore and that Sting is just the authority figure and wrestles a lot less. I dunno what's worse about Dixie her choice of clothing or music or her promos. I would go with her promos. The highlight of the opening segment was Angle telling Storm not to drink on the job. That is hilarious for obvious reasons.



I know the fans went crazy for his face turn at the PPV, but Hogan's turn made no sense. There was no issues teased between Hogan and Bischoff and in fact just a few weeks ago TNA showed a hidden video of Hogan and Bischoff mocking the fans and saying they're gonna con the fans into buying into his retirement and buy his merchandise.



The only feud I couldn't care less about than Hogan-Bischoff is Bischoff feuding with his son. What a waste of time and it's sad that so many talented wrestlers can't get any tv time while Bischoff is all over the show and I'd bet TNA is building to a Bischoff-Bischoff match that will make no money. I wonder if they'll be wearing Matching karate outfits.



Another feud I don't care for is the Jarrett-Hardy feud. I didn't care for it in '04 and I sure as heck don't care about it in 2011. I'd rather see a stronger heel like Bully Ray feud with Hardy.




Good to see Gail Kim returning as her time in the WWE was a total waste, and I hope she can breathe live back into the Knockouts division. I question bringing her back as a heel, but there are MORE interesting matches for her as a heel vs Mickie James, Tara and Velvet. Personally I would turn Mickie James heel as she feels very stale and has been mailing it in and go with Gail as the top face instead and hope Mickie gets new life as a heel. I hope Gail comes out on top of this feud cause she's a far superior worker, but I could see Velvet getting a 3-4 month title reign and go over Gail a few times.



I really like James Storm. I think he's one of the more charismatic wrestlers in the world and I'm happy for him that he's gotten the world title as he's very deserving, but boy did Roode get screwed. I was hoping that Roode would win the title at BFG after all that build which would lead to a jealousy storyline and a Storm heel turn. It would have made all the sense in the world considering Angle ended up costing him a match against Roode a few weeks ago, and Storm could stew and finally lose it and turn on Roode and the match if built correctly and not rushed could have been money.





The biggest question is Why spent two months building up Roode for two months and then give Storm the title instead? The plan for six months had been for Roode to get a big push , so why didn't Hogan step up and nix it then? That way they could have built up Storm up instead. TNA can go with Roode as the jealous partner who turns heel, but he comes out of BFG damaged and looking like a bit of a loser because he couldn't beat a beat up Angle in fifteen minutes,and it only takes Storm a few minutes to beat Angle.I understand that Angle is badly hurt and that's why it was a short match. That is another reason he should have dropped the title at BFG. You do have to wonder why they didn't push the match back a day so they could build to it this week and pop a rating next week.



It's gonna be tough to turn Roode heel as he's such a sympathetic figure as he got screwed by a incompetent ref and now the added provision in the contract for his match vs Angle that only gave him one title shot vs Angle. He does have a reason to be bitter and angry at Storm for jumping at the oppurnity that Roode lost.I really don't believe that TNA will take the time to tell a story and have Roode and Storm face-off on a PPV 4-6 months from now. I'd bet they'll rush through and have Storm dropping the title in a few months. It will continue to be a bitter pill for the fans that went into the story that they were telling with Roode and for him to lose out at BFG and for him likely to be back in the mid card in a few months.



I do think that Storm has more potential than Roode as a face, but Roode was really starting to connect big time and showed high upside as a top face. You could have always kept Storm a face and turn Roode halfway through his title reign due to desperation to keep his title. I really doubt he gets the title now or maybe just a transitional reign just to drop it to Hardy. They dropped the ball on Roode and I'd bet on them dropping the ball on Storm's title reign.



One more thing my goodness was that a terrible call by Tenay when Storm won the title. Nobody is worse at making a call on the big moment than him. He was prattling about what this means for Immortal rather than what it means to Storm.



All in all not a strong start to Bruce Prichard's reign as head of creative. I'm hoping we get more wrestling on next weeks show.





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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.25
I haven't seen an Impact Zone crowd pop and react like that in a long while, so they must've done something right. I agree with all of graves's points about the main event and the title switch, so no point repeating.

I'm a big James Storm fan, so I'm happy for him, and hopefully he'll be booked as a strong champion. The money feud with Roode is right there, and Storm can easily have good matches with anyone in Fortune, if they decide to go that way.

Without that main event and that moment, this would've been one of the worst TNA Impacts of recent times. That show was TERRIBLE for an hour and 45 minutes. I think I counted about six minutes total of wrestling on the show, and that is truly unacceptable.

Gail Kim's return was meh. I liked Velvet's act until Karen Jarrett interrupted with her poor-man's-Vickie-Guerrero act that is incredibly irritating, and not in a good way. Unfortunately, the talent levels in the Knockouts have dwindled, and I'm not sure how Gail Kim is going to be able to elevate that entire division on her own.

D'Lo Brown and Al Snow's little showdown got a better reaction from the Impact Zone than the entire Hardy/Jarrett brawl. I do like Jarrett calling Hardy "Nero," I think it is something that he has done before.

Here's to James Storm, new TNA World Heavyweight Champion. Sorry about your damn luck!
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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.73
    Originally posted by used2bcool
    I'm a big James Storm fan, so I'm happy for him, and hopefully he'll be booked as a strong champion. The money feud with Roode is right there, and Storm can easily have good matches with anyone in Fortune, if they decide to go that way.

    Without that main event and that moment, this would've been one of the worst TNA Impacts of recent times. That show was TERRIBLE for an hour and 45 minutes. I think I counted about six minutes total of wrestling on the show, and that is truly unacceptable.

    Gail Kim's return was meh. I liked Velvet's act until Karen Jarrett interrupted with her poor-man's-Vickie-Guerrero act that is incredibly irritating, and not in a good way. Unfortunately, the talent levels in the Knockouts have dwindled, and I'm not sure how Gail Kim is going to be able to elevate that entire division on her own.


    Here's to James Storm, new TNA World Heavyweight Champion. Sorry about your damn luck!
Glad to have you back, it's been a while. I agree on how bad the vast majority of the show was. TNA had put together six really strong weeks of Impact together before the last two weeks. This week way worse than last obviously. I don't get why they pretty much had a rerun of the Jarrett-Hardy show down they had at BFG. I used to like Karen but she's gotten on my last nerve lately.



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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.53
    Originally posted by used2bcool
    I do like Jarrett calling Hardy "Nero," I think it is something that he has done before.


Yes it is. Unfortunately, it sounds like just a ignorant redneck saying another word just like it, but without a 'g' in the middle. Interesting.

I've been boycotting TNA for a while now, but after seeing the spoilers for this show, I felt I needed to see it. That was the damned longest promo I've ever seen, to start the show. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the last time Dixie and Sting were on camera together, wasn't Sting choking her against a wall? And why the hell do they keep putting her on camera? Linda McMahon has more 'character' than Dixie Carter. She's terrible.

James Storm is very deserving of the title, but not in the way he won it. I'm torn here cause I'm certainly glad they finally got it off Kurt Angle and I hope Kurt goes and gets himself straightened out, but this is such a terrible way to give someone the belt with no build to it what so ever.



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    Originally posted by Cerebus
      Originally posted by used2bcool
      I do like Jarrett calling Hardy "Nero," I think it is something that he has done before.


    That was the damned longest promo I've ever seen, to start the show.




With commercials, that clocked around 40 freaking minutes of the show. It could've been quicker...way quicker. I liked the WWE walkout better than that opening.





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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.11
As much as I like the idea of James Storm, champion, how we got there made no sense. James just happened to be the guy standing next to Bobby when he went off on Kurt. James didn't go through the BFG series and then face off against the rosters best wrestlers for a month, he just happened to be at the right place at the right time. It just screams to me their decision made by Hogan was a mistake and this is the make-up call yet at the same time screwing over Bobby. Bobby/Storm could happen with Bobby being heel and the champ, its like building up Shawn for WMXII having him lose to Bret and Marty Jannetty wins the belt on Raw. I like Storm, but he is a tag team specialist and a good singles worker at best. I am also not too crazy how he won it either.

Gail coming back is great, but they have to remove Karen which they won't. Which leads to the major problem with TNA and in wrestling in general, nepotism. Too many family members who are related to the bookers getting screen time while actually wrestlers who need paychecks get nothing. I know this has existed in wrestling before and will continue, but god damn does it make for some shitty TV.

TNA shot themselves on Sunday and put a band aid on a wound if not treated will get infected. James could be a great champ and I hope he is a great champ, but I have no faith they can do it right. They fucked up 3-4 months worth of storyline, because an old wrestler who time has passed by said he didn't have it. Its bonehead decisions like that lead to WCW being bought out for piggy bank money.

(edited by lotjx on 21.10.11 0721)


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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.23
I saw some of the show, and most of it sat pretty well with me.

I don't like Jeff Jarrett at all. AT ALL. But this feud with Hardy seems like a great combo of styles, and I like Hardy's perception of Jeff's animosity because -- for me -- it's true: Jarrett can never be more than a midcarder who yearns to be perceived as a legit main eventer. This is exactly the right kind of kayfabe/reality mix I want in an angle, and I don't think it's coincidence that Hardy gets a chance to drop Punk-like pipebombs given Jeff's last angle in the WWE.

I liked the idea that Abyss has once again become the Monster. I likedd Gunnar's panic backstage with Immortal. I liked their reaction.

I don't like Karen Angle and kinda doubt a lot that she can make the Vickie progression into someone who can work the crowd.

I don't care for the Bischoff feud, but they played it right. I'm kinda curious about junior's ability.

And the Storm win ... At first blush, it's sudden. Too sudden. But then it works if we consider the influence of MMA. Storm got in his sure shot -- the hit he was looking for -- and it paid off. In that context, this was good. Credible even. But as a wrestling match we're accustomed to seeing it? Not so much. Then again, how often have we complained about telegraphing the ending of a match? It was an in-ring transfer done with as little fuss as possible save a roll-up at the post-bell handshake. It makes me wonder if Angle is injured.

What I saw was done right, and I want to tune in to see where it goes.



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    Originally posted by lotjx
    As much as I like the idea of James Storm, champion, how we got there made no sense. James just happened to be the guy standing next to Bobby when he went off on Kurt. James didn't go through the BFG series and then face off against the rosters best wrestlers for a month, he just happened to be at the right place at the right time. It just screams to me their decision made by Hogan was a mistake and this is the make-up call yet at the same time screwing over Bobby. Bobby/Storm could happen with Bobby being heel and the champ, its like building up Shawn for WMXII having him lose to Bret and Marty Jannetty wins the belt on Raw. I like Storm, but he is a tag team specialist and a good singles worker at best. I am also not too crazy how he won it either.


It also makes no sense since they said at BFG that the winner of Joe/Morgan/Crimson would be the number one contender.

Then again, I'm beyond caring anymore. If Angle was so hurt that he had to drop the belt in 15 seconds (or whatever it was) to Storm on Impact, then there's no reason he couldn't have lost on a PPV *when it actually mattered*.

Why invest all that time into making the audience care about Bobby Roode with the wins during the tournament and the personal type videos only to have him lose and give the belt to the partner that we're not invested in.
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.55
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    It makes me wonder if Angle is injured.



I just happened to catch this match while flipping around trying to find something to watch since our main Thursday night lineup had the week off.

I haven't seen Kurt Angle wrestle in years - but MAN... he looks awful. As in, he looks physically unwell and I'd worry for his well being if he continues to wrestle. I'm guessing he's looked this way for a while, but was shocking to see the Kurt Angle of today as compared with the Kurt Angle of my memory/YouTube.
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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.64
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    It makes me wonder if Angle is injured.


Good call.

    Originally posted by this week's WON
    Angle suffered a hamstring injury to the point he couldn’t even do an autograph session the day before the show. Several who saw him before the match noted to us they couldn’t believe, based on how badly he was moving and how hurt he was, that he could even do a match. Of course, it’s Angle, and when he got in the ring, while he wasn’t the best Kurt Angle, they were having a very good match, really the best on the show, until the finish killed it. Angle was hurting badly after, as once he got through the curtain, he had to be helped to his locker room and the description of his condition after was “very scary.” Angle insisted he wasn’t hurt worse, but would be back in a week. Then, two days later, he had to drop the title to Storm.


Though someone really should make a list of all the times Angle's been reported half dead in a locker room.



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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.83
Just makes the Roode call even more ridiculous.
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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.62
I only saw the last 10 minutes, but it sounds like I didn’t miss much. but what I saw, I really liked. Having watched Storm since the formation of AMW, the guy has really grown by leaps and bounds. He is the very definition of home grown talent. Not sure where it goes from here, but it has my attention, and that is something I cannot say about Raw right now.

It’s funny, this show sounds like the opposite of BfG. Sucks for 90% of the show, but the ending saved it. Most of what I heard about BfG is that the ending ruined what was a solid show.





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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.52
I gave the show a shot, but they didn't seem to want to do anything but talk. This show was seemingly based off the South Park wrestling episode. I finally just tuned out. I always seem to miss the wrestling heavy shows and always catch the bad soap opera ones.
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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.73
    Originally posted by lotjx
    its like building up Shawn for WMXII having him lose to Bret and Marty Jannetty wins the belt on Raw. I like Storm, but he is a tag team specialist and a good singles worker at best. I am also not too crazy how he won it either.


    (edited by lotjx on 21.10.11 0721)
Man that's a terrible comp, imo. Jannetty by 1996 was a low card guy going nowhere. Storm is a guy that was in the top four in the BFG series, and lost by Dq to Bully Ray due to ref incompetence. He also had Angle beat a month or so ago and stood in there with Roode in a match and only lost because Angle attacked him during the match.



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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.11
    Originally posted by graves9
      Originally posted by lotjx
      its like building up Shawn for WMXII having him lose to Bret and Marty Jannetty wins the belt on Raw. I like Storm, but he is a tag team specialist and a good singles worker at best. I am also not too crazy how he won it either.


      (edited by lotjx on 21.10.11 0721)
    Man that's a terrible comp, imo. Jannetty by 1996 was a low card guy going nowhere. Storm is a guy that was in the top four in the BFG series, and lost by Dq to Bully Ray due to ref incompetence. He also had Angle beat a month or so ago and stood in there with Roode in a match and only lost because Angle attacked him during the match.


Ok, make it Diesel or Razor or whoever, its pretty much the same thing ie Shawn's friend.



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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.51
I thought the talking segments at the beginning of the show were well placed. It was the first episode of a new era, so a lot had to be addressed.

Gail Kim's debut was a nice surprise. I had figured that WWE still hadn't let her out of her contract, so her arrival was unexpected. Throughout that segment though, I kept wondering why Sting was letting Karen keep control of the knockouts.

I was sad to see Kurt lose the title, but the story to be told from this is intriguing so far.
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You know, as awful as TNA booking is, they did a decent job of tying up everything Sting as done since Hogan came in in a way that was pretty consistant. 45 minutes to do all this was a bit much, but I hope it is planting some seeds that will do a lot to help TNA. No more Dixie on TV. Sting in a non-wrestling role. And MAYBE they will go ahead and have Hogan legdrop Bischoff off TV.

I like anytime someone calls out Jarrett, but why did it have to be Hardy. I will never root for the guy as a face, so this did nothing for me.

Karen Angle is horrible and until she's off TV the KO division will not flurish, even with Kim back.

Storm winning was a good swerve, but had horrible execution. Storm should have got his ass kicked for 20 minutes only to guy out the win. The 5 minutes match and quick pin just make him look like a fluke.

If TNA wants to do something unpredictable, have Storm DEMAND Roode take a title shot and do a face vs face. You'd still get a great match and it wouldn't follow the jealous partner angle we've seen a million times.
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Most of Impact was not to my liking at all. The opening promo was HHH level overkill. As long as Hogan, Bischoff and Jeff Jarrett are involved things will continue to go badly overall. But Dixie admitting that things need to be turned around is good in both reality and kayfabe.

The tag team match was pretty good with Winter's strong style dominating most of it.'ll give credit where it's due, Brooke's flying crossbody into a pin was well done. Angelina really showed she can go too.

Karen Jarrett ruining Velvet's promo was actually good too as KJ is sooo despicable. Gail Kim being back is a step in the right direction. I like Gail as a heel as it lets her show alot of character. Hopefully the changes in booking will further allow the Knockouts to show they have wrestling talent.

I like giving Storm the title as I think it's Angle's time to slow down. Storm is one of the better promo guys and hopefully this is a sign that Fortune is getting back on track.



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...and another thing, since Sting is in charge and essentially Kurt Angle's boss, why didn't he just tell Angle to give Roode another match or he'll be stripped of the title? It really makes NO SENSE, storyline wise, why Roode wasn't given another shot. That contract stipulation crap is stupid when the owner of the company and the person in control are both RIGHT THERE IN THE RING.



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    Originally posted by Cerebus
    ...and another thing, since Sting is in charge and essentially Kurt Angle's boss, why didn't he just tell Angle to give Roode another match or he'll be stripped of the title? It really makes NO SENSE, storyline wise, why Roode wasn't given another shot. That contract stipulation crap is stupid when the owner of the company and the person in control are both RIGHT THERE IN THE RING.


Unless it was a situation where Sting couldn't do anything because everything had been signed and sealed before the show. Didn't watch, so I don't know exactly how it went down, but it wouldn't be the first time wrestling's made rules up on the fly.





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