I missed the first fifteen minutes -- looks like some hype stuff and the first half of the first match...
3D vs. LAX vs. AJ Styles and Christopher Daniels: This is for the Tag Titles as well as the slot in the Match of Champions at Victory Road (July 15th on Pay Per View!). the parts with LAX & S&D were really fun. Hernandez at one point hit a HUGE no hands dive over the top rope to the outside -- Don West claimed he cleared the top by three feet. It was more like one foot, but STILL -- impressive! And awesome!
Some really close nearfalls, to which almost had me believing that 3D might not win. But in the end, 3D hit the 3D on Daniels to put him away and secure their place in the Main Event at Victory Road!
It's a shame, since the Main Event suffers form this result, but I guess Angle and Joe beating 3D is "bigger" than beating S&D, who haven't teamed for months, or LAX, who has lost much of their luster.
Jeremy Borash is in back when he hears PORNO NOISES! Oh, it's Lance Hoyt and Christie Hemme making out! Hoyt cuts a promo on VKM about how he played them from the start. (Okay, now we know what the deal is with Hoyt's tank tops -- he and Hemme have been sharing clothes.) (Basham & Damaja are not mentioned.)
Mike Tenay has a sit-down with Rhino. Rhino talks about his alcohol addiction and how James Storm made him relive it by spitting beer in his face. Ech.
Gail Kim vs. Jackie Moore vs. Ms. Brooks is much better than I anticipated, with Brooks in particular taking several bumps, which I didn't expect. My favorite part: both Moore and Brooks, kneeling, have Kim in a single leg crab, and Brooks and Moore start slapping each other. Moore quits first and walks away; Brooks stats gloating because she won that fight. But Moore walks around behind her and BOOTS her in the back of the head, and Brooks just goes blank and slowly topples over onto her face. Kim wins by reversing a rollup, pinning Moore.
Moore and Brooks team up on Kim after the match; this brings Eric Young out, and he throws Moore and Brooks around before getting clobbered by Robert Roode. ROODE AND YOUNG WILL NEVER STOP FEUDING.
Sting says Abyss will speak next week! Boy, that could go wrong. WHOA Abyss is wearing STING PAINT. Yow. Huh.
Kurt Angle is out -- he's got the TNA belt AND the IWGP belt! He is wearing a suit and shades! He starts talking about how awesome he is until 3D come down to shut him -- they knock him down! Devon gets a table!
Samoa Joe runs out for the save (he had mentioned earlier in the show that he wanted Angle to stay healthy, because Joe wants to win ALL the gold in TNA) -- he wipes out BOTH Ray and Devon, sending them out of the ring -- but then Kurt Angle Angleslams him through the table! That egotistical bastard!
Pretty fun show -- I'm going to try and catch the replay for that tag match.
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The three team match was okay with the somewhat hot ending. I'm still impressed Brother Ray can move like that being as fat as he is now. I can't see this main event getting a lot of extra buys.
If I am running a one hour show once a week I'm not going to blow a whole segment with a woman's match featuring three girls no one cares about. This is bad filler for a 'D' show like Heat. TNA needs to use their time more wisely since they have so little of it. A random X Division match would have been a better idea than this.
Why is having a random X Division match that no one has any reason to care about better than having a women's match that did lead to the setup and promotion of an actual PPV match? (Granted, as part of a feud that probably should have been over long ago.)
The Bored are already here. Idle hands are the devil's workshop. And no... we won't kill dolphins. But koalas are fair game.
Strange that they didn't explain what the IWGP belt was or how Angle got it. Especially since they were shilling the Mean Jeremy Textline earlier in the show to find out about Angle vs. Lesnar. We, of course, know the connection, but they could have explained it a little bit for the less smarkish viewers they're presumably trying to attract.
The problem with the Victory Road main event, of course, is that there is absolutely no chance at all that either member of Team 3-D is going to win the World title or the X Division title. So there's the mystery of who gets the pin and the tag titles, but no suspense whatsoever about who wins. And to get there, we've already had to kill the Jay Lethal push and a bunch of related X division storylines, the build to the 3D/LAX tag title rematch, AND the Daniels makeover (although perhaps they can go back to that one).
I like the idea of doing more with the women, but they need to do it differently from the WWE: i.e. don't make your women's division consist of valets with obvious boob jobs who aren't trained to wrestle. OK, two of the three TNA women are actually pretty good in the ring, although that's somewhat offset by the fact that two of the three have the most ridiculous overdone boob jobs I've ever seen outside of porn. But either do a *different* sort of women's division built around standalone personalities that can really work, or don't do one at all. And certainly don't use the women's division to try to generate interest in Roode Vs. Young Episode 176,932: After The Obvious Blowoff.
And, yeesh, now is NOT the time to be doing a worked shoot angle about a wrestler's struggles with addiction, especially one that mentions that it cost that wrestler his wife and child. Is that not obvious?
After all of that bitching, though, this is two weeks in a row that we've gotten an entertaining LONG match instead of the three-minute specials they'd been serving up. If this continues now that the set-up-Victory-Road angle is over, I'll still be watching despite whatever other qualms I have about the product. Good matches cover a multitude of sins.
I think TNA is far enough under the radar that they don't have to worry about the Rhyno angle, but maybe they wanted something "ripped from today's headlines'. Benoit notwithstanding, it's not a bad angle, and it gives two talented, underutilized guys something to do. Is Rhyno really an alcoholic?
I liked this show, just like last week due to at least getting 1 decent, longer match. I think they should go the route of pushing 2-3 matches for the PPVs, and then just have them be longer and throw in some filler matches. Similar to ECW back in the day with their limited air time. They have the talent to at least make filler matches interesting.
Dean! Have you been shooting dope into your scrotum? You can tell me! I'm hip!
Originally posted by Peter The HegemonAnd to get there, we've already had to kill the Jay Lethal push and a bunch of related X division storylines, the build to the 3D/LAX tag title rematch, AND the Daniels makeover (although perhaps they can go back to that one).
A. First people say to make the X Division more important, they say to make it as important as the World Title. Then people complain that Lethal lost the title too soon. You can't have it both ways. Let's be honest the X Title isn't going to be important around the waist of a Macho Man impersonator. Maybe with the proper build-up Jay Lethal CAN be a star, but he isn't now. What TNA did was put the belt on the most popular guy in the company AND put it in the main event of the next PPV. That is what people wanted and now they are angry. It's just stupid to argue this was a bad thing.
Second, what X Division storylines did this ruin? The only storylines going are that Lethal and Sonjay are impersonating old wrestlers and Nash has seemed to take Shelley/Sabin's side of the apparent feud with Lethal/Sonjay. I don't see how the main event has any affect on either.
B. I'd love to see an LAX/Dudleys rematch where LAX looks strong and even wins the titles but this PPV main event didn't ruin that, it wouldn't have happened no matter what the current storyline is. That is why Konnan is gone, which makes the chances of LAX looking strong even worse.
C. The Daniels makeover being dropped is a GOOD thing. Daniels is one of my favorites. He had an awesome feud with Styles and Joe, he had an awesome run in the tag division with Styles then he got the makeover and everything he has done since then has been awful. Ditch the makeover and put Daniels back in the X Division or Tag Division.
Yes, I'd rather see Daniels and AJ in the main event at the PPV but the bottom line is Angle and the Dudleys ARE their most well known wrestlers, Joe is their most popular wrestler, these guys can have a very good match and the tag titles and X Division Title are raised to the level of the World Title. This match makes a lot of sense and is probably the last thing in TNA anybody should be complaining about. Is which team is going to win going to be suspenseful? No. But really how many matches are? Most matches in TNA, WWE, and every other wrestling promotion are extremely predictable, that's just the nature of the business. It will be interesting to find out if Joe or Angle wins and who they choose as their tag team partner though, so there is still plenty to be interested in.
Plus, if Daniels and AJ aren't in this match then that means we'll possibly get two other good matches with them in it. I'd love to see an Angle/Joe vs. Daniels/Styles match but then you're using almost all of your best talent for one match, and in the past when they use all their talent in one match, like the War Games and KotM matches, the undercard usually stinks. Hopefully we'll get to see the main event, a Christian match, a Daniels match, an AJ match and some kind of X Division match and for once they'll have a well-rounded card.
Originally posted by QuezzyA. First people say to make the X Division more important, they say to make it as important as the World Title. Then people complain that Lethal lost the title too soon. You can't have it both ways. Let's be honest the X Title isn't going to be important around the waist of a Macho Man impersonator. Maybe with the proper build-up Jay Lethal CAN be a star, but he isn't now. What TNA did was put the belt on the most popular guy in the company AND put it in the main event of the next PPV. That is what people wanted and now they are angry. It's just stupid to argue this was a bad thing.
This is the logic that says "look, you want to make the world title mean something, but Chris Jericho isn't important enough to wear it yet. So him being squashed by HHH is the right thing. Look at the pop that he got on his return!"
You know how you make the X Division important? You raise people like Jay Lethal, Sabin, Sonjay et al up to the level of Joe and friends. Instead of effectively killing the division by putting the belt on Joe, you put Lethal et al in competitive matches with those higher up the card. This is wrestling 101 stuff, not rocket science. And shit, it's not like TNA ratings and buyrates are gonna bottom out any further - why not put Lethal in the PPV main event and make some effort with him instead of killing him stone dead?
Also, I have never heard anyone say that the X title should be as important as the world belt.
To those who say people wouldn't look; they wouldn't be interested; they're too complacent, indifferent and insulated, I can only reply: There is, in one reporter's opinion, considerable evidence against that contention. But even if they are right, what have they got to lose? Because if they are right, and this instrument is good for nothing but to entertain, amuse and insulate, then the tube is flickering now and we will soon see that the whole struggle is lost. This instrument can teach, it can illuminate; yes, and it can even inspire. But it can do so only to the extent that humans are determined to use it to those ends. Otherwise it is merely wires, and lights, in a box.-Edward R. Murrow
Originally posted by ges7184Why is having a random X Division match that no one has any reason to care about better than having a women's match that did lead to the setup and promotion of an actual PPV match? (Granted, as part of a feud that probably should have been over long ago.)
Maybe my opinion might be jaded because I am not into women's wrestling or any three of these women. Then again maybe I want to see something different than what the other guys are doing. I know there is probably some great Japanese woman's wrestling that I am missing, but I am also sure that there is some great WNBA action that I am missing as well ... I still don't care. Women don't draw a lick in the ring. They can be a valuable asset in wrestling, but it's not in the ring.
So, if I am running a one hour show once a week I'm doing everything I can to put my best performers out there to showcase the product and prove that it is something different than what you can get from the WWE. Trotting Miss Jackie out there isn't going to get anyone to give you a longer show where you can bring in more advertising revenue.
Then again maybe TNA isn't ever going to be that something different and that is why I get so down on them. I guess I can eventually learn to get used to a WWE 'B' product in a six sided ring, but I won't go out of my way to watch it every week either.
Originally posted by QuezzyC. The Daniels makeover being dropped is a GOOD thing. Daniels is one of my favorites. He had an awesome feud with Styles and Joe, he had an awesome run in the tag division with Styles then he got the makeover and everything he has done since then has been awful. Ditch the makeover and put Daniels back in the X Division or Tag Division.
Haven't there been some rumblings about reuniting Triple X? Anyone else heard that one?
You wanted the best, you got... Out of Context Quote of the Week.
"Yep....and was it really necessary having the woman keep glancing down at his penis?" (Kevintripod)
Originally posted by kentishIs Prime Time still with the company? I would definitely "settle" for Daniels and Lo-Ki. The Senshi run has been quite disappointing, and I was so looking forward to his return.
Nein. He got released a while back, as did David Young.
Strange, I rememeber hating the inVasion angle as it happened, but I went back and watched the Best of 2001 tape, and I actually got really caught up in the Survivor Series match that ended the angle once and for all...