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The W - Pro Wrestling - iMPACT! 12-27-07 "AJ's Dilemma"
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I am back from Portland but it is late and I've had a lengthy day; apologies for truncation.

AJ's dilemma is: who will he choose, Christian Cage or Kurt Angle? AJ says: he chooses...both! Tomko is exasperated.

Senshi vs. Judas Mesias: Surprisingly, not quite a squash, although Mesias wins fairly easily. I read that Senshi asked to be able to put people over on the way out -- good for him.

Cage lays down the law -- AJ has top decide tonight what he's going to do.

Angle is out, too -- he and Cage scuffle -- AJ tries to separate them and accidentally takes a belt shot from Cage -- Tomko is out to restore order.

Roode says that Booker T is a washed-up has-been. I still don't feel like Roode has any chance at all in this feud. He yells at Miss Brooks -- his #1 Fan is still in the crowd -- I wonder if the arrival of Booker somehow put the #1 Fan angle into a holding pattern...or maybe she'll help Roode finally beat Booker...?

There was going to be a Booker T vs. Robert Roode match here, but after Kurt Angle runs out, Booker suggests a tag match later in the show -- Roode & Angle vs. Booker and a Mystery Partner.

Jeremy Borash tries to talk AJ into joining the Angle Alliance.

AJ Styles and Tomko vs. Motorcity Machine Guns: This is non-title. AJ is selling his head injury (from the beltshot) on the way down the ramp -- Tomko looks really annoyed but then reaches out and gently puts his hand on AJ's head in an oddly touching gesture.

A few really sweet moves in this match but they decide that what we really want is Eric Young shenanigans. I'd love to see a feud between these two teams but we're far too busy being wacky. MMG win with both Sabin & Shelley pinning Styles at once -- WTF.

Team 3D doesn't want to compete in an Ultimate X match -- they are FAR too MUSCULAR to climb the ropes. Jim Cornette says sorry -- Ultimate X it is.

Gail Kim, Velvet Sky & Angelina Love vs. ODB, Roxxi Levaux & Jackie Moore: Actually not bad. Crowd is, again, RABID for ODB. Love hits a crossbody off the turnbuckle onto ODB, Moore, and Sky on the floor, leaving Roxxi and Gail alone -- Gail pins Roxxi with the Kryptonite Krunch. (To their credit, they haven't called it the "Happy Ending" since the one time they did it -- it seems to be conspicuously nameless at this point.)

Cornette is pissed off at Matt Morgan for Morgan's goofy booking las week, sure that they're both going to get canned. Morgan produces a "bonus check" for Cornette from the higher-ups. Cornette marvels that he's "never seen that signature in person before" -- I figure this means that Morgan forged the check, because really, who would say that?

Joe is in Cornette's office. He says he's not going to wrestle tonight. Cornette says he can either wrestle or he gets fired.

Sit-down interview between Tenay and Abyss and I skip it. Apparently it's all about calling Abyss "Chris" as many times as possible.

Samoa Joe vs. Elix Skipper: Joe is in street clothes. He CRUSHES Skipper. Musclebuster -- and Joe pulls him up! Tree of woe! Shoves the ref! There's the DQ but Joe is not done with Skipper yet -- Coquina Clutch and Skipper's mouth is bleeding.

Making "Joe's Gonna Kill You" a viable threat again is a good idea if it leads to something -- if it doesn't, it'll make Joe look like he's all talk and nothing to back it up.

Eric Young and AJ Styles are backstage -- Young is explaining how good he is at making decisions -- for instance, Frankenberry is better than Count Chocula because it has "berry" right there in the title, so it's more nutritious -- "that's science!" Young launches into a tirade on choosing a cell phone; Styles slowly gets up and walks away.

Scott Steiner and Petey Williams are backstage -- Steiner wants to trade title shots with Petey, taking the World Title shot and giving Petey the X Division shot. Steiner telling Petey that "little men" should stick with the "little men" belt is so startlingly wrong-headed that I am boggled. If they actually switch the shots back to "the way they should be" I'm going to be totally honked off.

Dustin Rhodes is out -- he'd like an apology from Kaz, since Kaz attacked him for no reason last week. (Rhodes has no idea what Black Reign is up to!) Kaz and Rhodes end up brawling -- Kaz slingshots over the bleacher railing and drops 15 feet or so onto Rhodes and a passel of security guys!

Styles seeks counsel from Kevin Nash; Nash gives him the surprisingly excellent advice to ask himself not who he can trust, but who will be the first to stab him in the back.

Kurt Angle & Robert Roode vs. Booker T & Christian Cage: Booker and Cage don't like each other, but they dislike Angle & Roode even more. I guess this is elevating Roode, but it really feels like he's just there to take the pin, which he does -- over-the-rope Axe Kick followed by the Unprettier. They are just dithering with Roode and have been for months.

Cage and Angle both demand that AJ Styles come down. He does -- Cage and Angle argue and play tug-o-war with Styles -- will Styles finally make a decision? -- he -- he -- oh, we're out of time.

Hm.

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I strongly question how many buys are being sold for a main event program built around who is going to run in and for whom.



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Is Christian supposed to be a face now? You'd think AJ would be making a choice between good and evil, but it seems more like evil vs evil and I'm not sure why it matters.

Tomko's at least been recently portrayed as a killer. AJ has recently been a guy who loses matches with comedy stipulations and has to dress up in costumes. I know he's actually talented and all, but he hasn't been treated like a difference maker, what difference which team he's on?



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I like that they're making Joe a killer again, but I don't like the REASON for it. If they made Joe a mega-badass because he's a really, really bad man, then that would be cool. But all this "OMFG, it's a SHOOT!1!" garbage just takes away all the cool factor. Can't the man kick ass for the sake of kicking ass?




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After spending an entire year making AJ a goofball comedy character and removing any semblance of "main event" status from him he might have had left, TNA spends an entire episode booked around him and his choice...and ends with a cliffhanger. This would be like WWE booking an entire episode of RAW around Trevor Murdoch and hoping people will tune in next week to find out what happens.

I know it's beating a dead horse at this point, but the pure ineptness of this company is truly shocking.



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What does the hand signal the Motor City Machine Guns do mean?
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
    Originally posted by geemoney
    What does the hand signal the Motor City Machine Guns do mean?




Apparently that's how school children where they're from are taught to find Detroit on a map.
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.55
    Originally posted by Deputy Marshall
    After spending an entire year making AJ a goofball comedy character and removing any semblance of "main event" status from him he might have had left, TNA spends an entire episode booked around him and his choice...and ends with a cliffhanger. This would be like WWE booking an entire episode of RAW around Trevor Murdoch and hoping people will tune in next week to find out what happens.

    I know it's beating a dead horse at this point, but the pure ineptness of this company is truly shocking.


I wouldn't go as far as comparing him to Trevor Murdoch, but I do see your point. Murdoch has wrestled on PPV what, two or three times this year? AJ has main evented 2-3 PPVs.

You might not like the direction his character has taken, but some fans have become interested in AJ for the first time because they actually took the time this year to establish a character for him. He has still been in high profile angles and matches, and still brings the goods in the ring every time. I think his casually correcting Christian that he is a 3 time World champion (a cool moment, IMO) is a hint that he will slowly remember who he is, and that he doesn't need Christian. Myself, I would prefer that they booked him like an early 90s Bret Hart, or even Chris Benoit (can I say that?) a few years ago. He does his talking in the ring. But oh well...




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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.00
    Originally posted by kentish
    I think his casually correcting Christian that he is a 3 time World champion (a cool moment, IMO) is a hint that he will slowly remember who he is, and that he doesn't need Christian.
Yeah. They've dropped a hint or two about how being around Cage (or Angle) drains AJ's confidence. What should happen next week is AJ makes his choice: "neither." Then he'll strike out on his own and prove to himself and to us that he doesn't need to be anyone's lackey.

I'm pretty confident that this is where this is going; I'm much less confident that this will lead anywhere good for AJ. With the infusion of WWEjects into the upper card, I feel like this angle will remove AJ from the main event scene rather than improve his standing in it.

I can't imagine, for instance, AJ coming anywhere near the World Title for the forseeable future, and that's just goofy for someone who's held it three times in the past.

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They've used two recent costume-gimmick matches to let AJ show his considerable stuff in the ring. But they continue to push him they way they pushed Eric Young into the main event: wackiness and almost cuddliness.

AJ has replaced Dutt as the show's MVP: He busts his ass, even hitting homers in the interminable backstage segments. His ringwork is astounding. He's flying and bumping like his job depends on it, and yet TNA wants to get him over for being funny.

What's missing is the credible reason why Angle or Christian want Styles for their factions. It's unfortunately packaged that winning over Styles will merely embarrass the loser. It SHOULD be that Styles is such a credible threat that he can give the winning choice a fearsome associate; you want him on your team so he doesn't challenge you in the ring. Styles is purely a McGuffin when he should be a commodity.

And lost in the Angle/Christian/Styles/Tomko booking are both the tag and world belts.



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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.94
    Originally posted by geemoney
    What does the hand signal the Motor City Machine Guns do mean?


That is definitely a Michigan thing, pointing to where you're from on your hand.
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    Originally posted by Karlos the Jackal
      Originally posted by kentish
      I think his casually correcting Christian that he is a 3 time World champion (a cool moment, IMO) is a hint that he will slowly remember who he is, and that he doesn't need Christian.
    Yeah. They've dropped a hint or two about how being around Cage (or Angle) drains AJ's confidence. What should happen next week is AJ makes his choice: "neither." Then he'll strike out on his own and prove to himself and to us that he doesn't need to be anyone's lackey.

    I'm pretty confident that this is where this is going; I'm much less confident that this will lead anywhere good for AJ. With the infusion of WWEjects into the upper card, I feel like this angle will remove AJ from the main event scene rather than improve his standing in it.

    I can't imagine, for instance, AJ coming anywhere near the World Title for the forseeable future, and that's just goofy for someone who's held it three times in the past.

    --K


I agree that AJ probably won't get a run with the belt, but a PPV main event for the title against Angle would be enough for me. After watching AJ since 2002, that was a dream match in my mind when Kurt came to TNA, right up there with Angle-Joe.




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    Originally posted by kentish
    I agree that AJ probably won't get a run with the belt, but a PPV main event for the title against Angle would be enough for me. After watching AJ since 2002, that was a dream match in my mind when Kurt came to TNA, right up there with Angle-Joe.


And in TNA's infinite wisdom, that match has already happened. It was a throw-away main event in January; 8 minutes, clean finish.



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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.55
    Originally posted by Alex
      Originally posted by geemoney
      What does the hand signal the Motor City Machine Guns do mean?


    That is definitely a Michigan thing, pointing to where you're from on your hand.

I might find it a little more catchy if they didn't do it every five seconds.
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I'm not sure how A.J. having a funny character necessarily precludes him from being a world title contender. Mick Foley had established his reputation as a wrestler, had main evented quite a few pay per views...but he never got really, truly mega-over and started winning titles until Mr. Socko. Not necessarily the sock itself, but that added dose of wackiness to the Mankind character, the lovable goofball who can still tear you apart once he gets in the ring. To me, this angle is certainly elevating A.J. You don't have to make his character talk like a bad-ass: his ring work does that for him. Making him dim-witted but sweet has made him essentially a face who cheats and works for a heel faction for months now. To me, the inevitable moment when A.J. turns on them both should wait, until the pay per view. Honestly, the way it's been booked, A.J. special-reffing the main event seems a no-brainer. Then he can pull an Austin, take them both out, walk away, and we get a three-way dance for the title at the next PPV, with the fans having a clear-cut face to cheer for and for them to put the title on...so that Joe has someone to destroy later this year.

Didn't mean to get off into fantasy booking there. But the essential point is: I think this angle's pushing A.J. to the moon. Other than "When are they going to push Joe", he's become the primary topic of TNA discussion and a consistent highlight of the show. They'd be stupid not to push him...which hasn't stopped them before.

On a completely unrelated side note, when -are- they going to put the tag titles on the Machine Guns? Damn, those boys are good.



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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.55
    Originally posted by hansen9j
      Originally posted by kentish
      I agree that AJ probably won't get a run with the belt, but a PPV main event for the title against Angle would be enough for me. After watching AJ since 2002, that was a dream match in my mind when Kurt came to TNA, right up there with Angle-Joe.


    And in TNA's infinite wisdom, that match has already happened. It was a throw-away main event in January; 8 minutes, clean finish.


True, but that was well over a year ago, most fans don't remember and won't care. I can deal with a TV main event and a potential World Title match on PPV a year later. That doesn't bust the dream match bubble to me. WWE has done it many times, and often set up PPV matches with a match on Raw or SD between the 2 participants. Like Rey-Finley recently.

I like your fantasy booking GodEatGod, I was thinking the same thing about AJ as ref, and feeding him to a heel Joe down the line if he somehow won the belt.





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Right at the beginning of the show Tomko leans on something off camera which then rolls away and almost causes him to lose his balance. I watched that about 5 times.



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