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Karlos the Jackal
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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.00
Impact continues to frustrate me with a string of nothing matches -- worse, a string of nothing gimmick matches, like this week's two-minute tables match between the Nats and 3D.

Nats lost, causing Shane Douglas to declare the experiment over -- dirtsheet scuttlebutt sez that the Nats are done as a team in TNA, so this -- one week after the AMW implosion -- brings the number of TNA tag teams down to, what, four teams? LAX, 3D, VKM, Serotonin...I'm not sure I can count the Paparazzi or Diamonds in the Rough at this point. I love tag team wrestling, so I'm disturbed by this sudden and drastic winnowing of the tag ranks.

I kind of like the "Battle for Abyss' Soul" angle. I'm not sure it's going anywhere good for Abyss, but it's actually pretty interesting. I still like Tomko.

Main Event (Joe & Styles vs. Angle and Rhino) was fun enough -- although, of course, too short and too chaotic -- and I like insane Angle trying to humiliate Joe into giving him a rematch.

Move of the Night: Kazarian yakuza kicks Sting right in the face. Unfortunately, a totally random match; there was no prior beef between Raven and Sting, nor did this match lead to one.

Line of the Night: Don West: "It's just like LAX to interrupt Santa Claus!" Santa was actually Brother Runt, who got Border Tossed for his troubles. I assume this leads to an LAX vs. 3D match -- well, where else is there to go? LAX vs. VKM?

Foreign Object of the Night: Eric young brandishing the lamp from A Christmas Story.

Oh, you know what? When I was complaining about tag teams, I forgot about Hoyt & Killings. Killings rapped about Christmas while Hoyt "danced." I'm not sure this team is going anywhere -- maybe Killings should be pushed up the card (or maybe Russo will make him Robert Roode's "Virgil") and maybe Hoyt should permanently join the X Division (to reinforce the "no limits" concept).

Anyway. Some good points, overall pretty frustrating. I continue to watch because I'm still enjoying TNA's PPVs a lot, most of the time.

--K

*EDIT! Oh, hey, did they dump that new backstage interviewer already? Huh.

(edited by Karlos the Jackal on 22.12.06 0317)

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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.61
I caught bits and pieces, so the show felt somewhat disjointed to me... but I'm in agreement. There was too much stuff booked in the show - a sign to me that they'd benefit from a two-hour slot. Which they're nowhere close to getting just yet.

Wow, is Bubba Dudley ever getting fatter and fatter. Talk about a tag team that needs to be re-invented. I've never liked the Dudleys. Ever.

Serotonin is just fine. The angle looks to be this: these lost souls banded together to follow a demented mind in Raven. They'll lose every match until each one has been beaten with the stick. Raven shows them the light and transforms them into... guys who lose X-Division and tag team matches a little less than they're doing right now.

The clips of VKM at the WWE house show look... underwhelming. If those are the best clips, then what a wasted opportunity. I'm still not convinced BG James is the guy you want in this kind of angle. Kip hasn't exactly been a shining star either, but that's not news to anyone.

I'm not buying Petey Williams as an overnight face. Wouldn't it be more interesting and believable to have him attempt to win the trust of all the guys he's screwed in the past few years? And once he's won said trust, turns on them and proves they were fools to think he was a changed man. It'd be more believable than having him as a face, and nobody says boo about it.

Bring back Roderick Strong. My favorite period of TNA's existence was when Strong and Aries were shelling out some damn-strong wrestling/spot tag team and tornado matches against other X-division guys.

The main event didn't click. Joe got his win back against Angle, and all the haters from early on in that feud seem to have disappeared. I'm not liking the angle as it's too rushed. But then again, this isn't the UFC, where rematches happen usually a year apart from one another. It wouldn't mean a heckuva lot more if they waited several months between matches.

This show lost my interest, I found myself wandering off to do other things. God forbid it, but I actually miss Jarrett. He shouldn't ever be in the main event again for a long time, but damn... he brought something to the table that's lacking right now. The last thing we need is more devoid-of-charisma AJ Styles interviews where it's clear he memorized his lines.

And to think that because of some favorable reviews in the past, that somehow makes me a "TNA mark" around here. Whatever. The show was a 2/10 for me and was brought up to that thanks to Nash, Christian, and Tomko. The James Storm interview was fine for what it was. I'll watch more of that angle, even though it's happened once before.

(edited by chill on 22.12.06 0609)


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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.00
A lot of goodness.

- Killings does a rap with a cigarette talking about how hard it is to quit smoking.

- Fat guy in a thong on a pogo.

- Wacky sitdown interview with the stern Tenay and the drunk Cowboy.

- ~HOYT dancing.

- Konnan cuts a promo on Santa.

- Sting gets turned on again.

- VKM mocks WWE for having a dress code and a wellness policy. Yeah, WWE's lame. They drug test. Losers. TNA! TNA!

This show is comedy at its finest.

Am I the only one over seeing Joe and Angle brawl now?
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.40
    Originally posted by flairforthegold13
    Am I the only one over seeing Joe and Angle brawl now?

Certainly not. And it sort of goes towards a previous point brought up by chill I'd like to refute, which is the idea that it doesn't make a difference if they do the Joe/Angle matches now or take several months to build. A match or matches between the two should be a slow burn, rather than a RUSH RUSH RUSH to get thrown onto the next pay-per-view. If you build anticipation for a matchup over an extended period of time, it's going to get the fans much more anxious and excited to see it than if you just did segments over the course of three to four weeks on a show where everything is already rushed.

Joe and Angle are easily the most marketable individuals on the TNA roster (Sting would be if it were ten years ago) and the only two that can deliver that sort of "big fight" atmosphere that on the whole has been missing from pro wrestling over the past few years. They made it just another feud in TNA, which regardless of what slot it's given on the pay-per-view(s) is a blown opportunity. Because let's face it - if you have the rubber match on the third consecutive Pay-Per-View, then where do they go from there? If they decide to do Joe/Angle for the title down the line, then they run the risk of people being burned out on the feud and a great opportunity to generate a lot of interest and pop a huge buyrate (rather than a spike) is lost.

As for the brawling specifically, it's another thing that TNA has shown absolutely no restraint on. Prior to the first match it wasn't all that bad, because it provided great visuals and the physical contact was limited. Even the booking leading up to the second match made things interesting, in that even though the rematch was rushed they went out of their way to have Joe protect Angle so that nothing would happen before their rematch. Now we're over the two-month mark and it's sort of like "enough already, we've seen it." Ditto for the booking of Joe/Angle on opposite ends of a tag-team or Six-man Five-man free-for-all. In pro wrestling, you have to let a feud like that simmer so that when the two men are finally in the ring together, it seems like something special. In the past two months we've had two pay-per-view singles matches between these men, two TV main events with them involved, and too many segments to count. It's oversaturation, pure and simple.

    Originally posted by chill
    Wow, is Bubba Dudley ever getting fatter and fatter. Talk about a tag team that needs to be re-invented. I've never liked the Dudleys. Ever.

Right now they really are looking out of shape, old, and a tired act. I was one of those that kicked up a fuss when WWE released them, but maybe the company was onto something with that decision. I used to be a HUGE fan of the Dudleys, and in their current state I can't even force myself to care about them.

    Originally posted by chill
    Bring back Roderick Strong.

HELL. F'N. YES. Then again, I've always preferred him to Austin Aries, so maybe I'm just a weirdo.

One thing about Voodoo Kin Mafia - this sort of angle would be effective if it involved two guys that the fans it's being marketed towards felt were wrongly terminated by WWE and still have something to offer. Certainly not the case with B.G. James and Kip James. Especially the latter, whose release from WWE seemed to create more enthusiasm than regret. You know, it's nice that the fans in the "Impact Zone" are popping for this, but they seem to pop for everything and VKM just comes across as two losers who are bitter about not being invited to a party.

This certainly wasn't the worst Impact of the past couple months, but the improvements I saw last week seemed to have disappeared.



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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.61
    Originally posted by Deputy Marshall
      Originally posted by flairforthegold13
      Am I the only one over seeing Joe and Angle brawl now?

    Certainly not. And it sort of goes towards a previous point brought up by chill I'd like to refute, which is the idea that it doesn't make a difference if they do the Joe/Angle matches now or take several months to build. A match or matches between the two should be a slow burn, rather than a RUSH RUSH RUSH to get thrown onto the next pay-per-view. If you build anticipation for a matchup over an extended period of time, it's going to get the fans much more anxious and excited to see it than if you just did segments over the course of three to four weeks on a show where everything is already rushed.


I completely agree with you on this. Ideally, I'd like to have seen them wrestle a year from now. But we didn't get that. And now it just seems like they're completely blowing their load until there's nothing left. Unless they have the blinders on, there must be a reason why this is happening - something this is building to. I just see the top end of the card being a convoluted mess right now. And that's a mix of Russo booking, and having too many stars but not enough TV time.

I'm just confused about where things are going right now. And not in the "I can't wait to see where this goes" way. Years from now, TNA may end up being remembered as being "ahead of their time," if that makes any sense. The TV time may come too late, after the damage has been done.

The problem I have with VKM is that their reason for having a "beef" with WWE doesn't make much sense. The whole premise is flawed. And as a result, this is barely even 5% as effective as when DX invaded Monday Night Nitro.

As for Joe & Angle, I missed most of the shows back when Angle was debuting on Impact and having his showdowns with Joe. But I wanted to see that stuff and went out of my way to find it on YouTube. Now, when I'm actually watching Impact, I change the channel when they come on. Yes, I'm ALREADY burned out on their "feud", which doesn't even feel like it's taken off or has a real reason for happening.

Feuds that happen but don't make sense or aren't really explained... that reeks of Vince Russo. He can come up with a premise for an angle, but he sure can't write them.

(edited by chill on 22.12.06 1034)


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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.56
    Originally posted by chill
    I'm not liking the angle as it's too rushed.


That's a valid reason not to like the angle, but don't forget Kurt was let go by the WWE for a reason. If TNA wants to get all their money matches out of Kurt, they need to move quick before the guy uses himself up. That doesn't excuse the poor quality of the booking, but I at least understand their pacing here.
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.46
I understand the logic, but they may have made these second and third money matches not so money based on how they've built to them.
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.00
I assume that some of the reasoning here is not just "how much time does Angle have left?" but also "how much time does TNA have left?"

I have no idea what the inner workings of TNA are or what their dealings with Spike TV or the Panda company are like, but they simply don't have the luxuries that WWE has -- that is, the luxury of doing slow burns. WWE can do that because they're not going anywhere; they know and we know that they'll be around a year from now.

TNA may feel the need to rush the whole shebang right now because they feel pressured (internally, and by Panda and by Spike) to get the ratings up right now and get the buyrates up right now. If they do that, they can get themselves in a more stable relationship with everyone involved.

I'd like to think (hyperactive Russo booking aside) that the thinking is: yeah, they blow all the Joe/Angle stuff now, but in doing so, they position themselves to attract more marquee names over the next year, with whom they then can set up long, slow-burning, "dream" feuds (RVD/Styles! Benoit/Joe! Mysterio/Homicide!). This is better for them in the long run than holding off on the, apparently, one hot matchup that they currently have until who knows when.

--K



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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.00
I can understand that idea. But I don't think they've made Joe/Angle compelling to the casual base (whatever that is).

RVD I would expect to jump b/c he's a fuckup and pothead. Simple enough.

Benoit I wouldn't. He has a few years left and must know he has an agent/WWE Hall of Fame gig waiting for him and a good 10 years at least hanging with Malenko in the back. Same with Mysterio. They've always been smart guys (which is why they cashed thoe fat WCW paychecks for all those years).
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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.00
Sorry, yeah -- I wasn't trying to start rumors or anything, just tossing out random names that would hypothetically get the kids excited (Snitsky/Hoyt!).

--K

(edited by Karlos the Jackal on 22.12.06 2201)


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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.19
    Originally posted by flairforthegold13
    >- Fat guy in a thong on a pogo.



Again, I wonder just how removed the VKM/Nash material are from each other. As VKM rails against DX for stupidity in skits, such as a fat guy in a thong, the PCS skits give us ... a fat guy in a thong. While VKM tries to use backstage information to fuel their angle, they're expecting us also to forget Nash's connection to the DX duo. And we get VKM and PCS at seeming odds over legacies and propriety.

I hope this leads to a Papparazzi/VKM fight, an angle that
a) naturally grows from VKM's current attitude;
b) gives both teams some ring time;
c) diverts VKM from advertising WWE; and
d) provides the old-school feud of used-to-bes vs. wannabes.

The show wasn't bad with judicious use of the FF button. I skipped Truth's rap and Shane's declaration. I don't quite see the point of building up Seratonin for a month only for them to lose so quickly to one guy -- one older guy who, with a bit of tweaking, could join them in a Dimmsdale-esque self-flagellation for their shortcomings.

They are nicely building to the moment when Abyss slams the crap out of Mitchell, and that's good, simple writing.In fact the title angle is good all around, especially with Christian playing the schemer.



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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.00
The title angle would be good if it weren't for the exceptionally stupid SHOCKING PAST OF THE MONSTER CHRISABYSS thing they're doing with Tomko. We already know Abyss has wallowed in the darkside in the past - his TNA career mostly consists of him throwing tiny men into piles of thumbtacks, after all. There's no need to use the Katie Vick Template to try and make him even nastier.



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