Well, here it is, gang -- the last TNA show "B.H" -- Before Hogan. Now, Hulk definitely has a presence here -- he gets hype screens throughout, announcers Mike Tenay and Taz talk about him during the entire show, and the last eight minutes or so are clips from the Hogan press conference. But he makes no appearance in the Impact Zone, the wrestlers are as of yet unaware of his impending arrival, and Hogan has yet to start bringing in his buddies. Let's enjoy it while we can.
We start with Desmond Wolfe coming to the ring with a mic. (Here's a great example of something the likes of which will probably not happen again for a long, long time.) He says that Kurt Angle's not such a tough guy after all -- he must've gotten his Olympic gold medal because the judges felt sorry for him!
Angle comes out and once again puts over Styles, Morgan, and Young, saying that they've earned his respect -- but Desmond, he hasn't earned a thing. And Angle's going to kick Wolfe's ass in a streetfight tonight to prove it!
Awesome Kong is backstage destroying a dressing room because without her handler, she's just a savage, untamed beast. That's racist!
Lauren is with AJ Styles in the back. Styles doesn't know who attacked him last week. Samoa Joe shows up and suggests it was Daniels -- that Daniels is jealous and wants some of AJ's glory for himself.
Alissa Flash vs. Tara: Flash shows no fear, going right after Tara, but Tara locks in a tarantula and then hits a slingshot somersault legdrop. They trade some nearfalls until Flash gets a VICIOUS curb stomp. Tara mostly shakes it off immediately (!) and, a little woozy, barely gets Flash up for a Fireman's carry into a spinning sidewalk slam -- that's the "Spider's Web" and it's good enough for the pin.
Kong comes out and DROPS Tara with a boot to the sternum. Kong picks Tara up and Implant Busters her -- ON TOP of the still-supine Alissa Flash!
During this match, Tenay points out that this episode has already been taped, so it takes place before Hogan came in -- but he says this while he's "at ringside" during this very show, which means that he's announcing FROM THE FUTURE or something. It's really weird.
Rhino talks to Team 3D in the back -- they think Rhino's paranoid, but Rhino's sure that they're all being forced out by TNA management. Somehow the idea that TNA management is trying to get rid of the old veterans in favor of the young guys is...kind of funny, this week. Ha. Ha.
Team 3D vs. Motor City Machine Guns: This is the match where Chris Sabin got a Stinger, prompting Kevin Nash to go off script during a promo later in the show, blasting TNA management for not stopping the match.
The Guns target Devon's knee, apparently injured at Bound for Glory. Bubba comes in and gives Sabin an Uranage -- RIGHT on the back of his head and neck.
We get multiple replays of that while Bubba apparently tags out and Devon lifts Sabin up for a press slam -- Alex Shelley knocks Devon's knee out from under him and goes back to his corner to get the tag from Sabin -- Chris makes it, but it's the gentlest, saddest tag ever.
Sabin doesn't even go out to the apron, lying prone in the ring until the EMTs come out to check on him. Shelley continues by himself, finally getting Devon in a single leg crab -- the bad leg. Devon pounds the mat once -- ref Jamie Tucker figures that's a tap-out and calls for the bell. Taz and Tenay agree that the call is "controversial."
Reportedly, Sabin suffered a stinger and was pretty badly shaken up, but is basically okay now. Whew -- that looked really awful.
Lauren is with Scott Steiner and she tells him that Bobby Lashley expects an apology for hitting on Bobby's wife Kristal. Scott says he is sorry -- sorry that Kristal's never been with a real man!
Quick clip of Hermie's Hotseat with Amazing Red and Don West -- huh, Red's got a pretty heavy accent. West says that Red's the kind of wrestler that kids can look up to and parents can be proud of.
Eric Young vs. Bobby Lashley: This is for the Legends Title. Kristal Lashley is in the front row. Scott Steiner comes out almost immediately and is sporting a t-shirt with an airbrushed caricature of Rhianna on it. No, wait, it's a picture of Kristal -- okay, that makes more sense. Lashley is distracted but Young can't even take advantage of that -- he's totally ineffective here. Lashley gets an over-the-shoulder tummybuster and the dragon sleeper -- Steiner attacks with a chair and that's the DQ. Young retains.
The rest of the World Elite is out in matching white track suits with green trim -- ludicrous! -- except for Homicide, who's in his standard gear, unfortunately. Brutus Magnus says that the British Invasion is being suspended without pay for their attack on the referee during their match last week -- but who cares? They screwed Beer Money out of all future titles shots, and it's not a suspension, it's a vacation!
Eric Young takes the mic and announces that he's retiring the Legends Title for good (well, if Booker T can just make it up, I guess any wrestler can do what they want to it) and he's replacing it with the TNA GLOBAL TITLE. The Global Title has two rules -- Young will never defend it on American soil, and he will never defend it against an American wrestler. I kind of like this, although it probably means that Rikishi will win it.
Kevin Nash comes out and complains that Young broke his word, and Beer Money attack the WE from behind. I assume we'll be getting Beer Money & Nash vs. Young & Bashir & Kiyoshi in the future, which sounds like a Nash face turn to me.
AJ and Daniels are backstage. AJ doesn't proclaim Daniels' innocence quickly enough and Daniels is peeved (prematurely, I feel).
The Beautiful People vs. ODB, Hamada, and Christy Hemme: Eh, kind of a mess. Lacey Von Erich tags in for, literally, eight seconds before coming in again at the very end to pin Hemme after hitting the most awkward chokeslam I have ever seen. Wow -- I mean -- it looked REALLY bad. Lacey is worse than Rhaka Khan. Seriously. And judging by the eight-second tag-in, TNA knows it.
Kong is back out -- but Tara attacks from behind! Security breaks it up -- hey, does that count as man-on-woman violence? TNA needs some Security Ladies!
Abyss vs. Dr. Stevie: This was supposed to be a handicap match but Daff's not here, man. Predictably, the match is all Abyss, and after some hardcore-lite he wins with the Shock Treatment.
Afterward, Stevie starts choking Abyss with a kendo stick, but out comes Mick Foley -- oh, huh, swerve. Foley takes out Stevie. Amazing.
JB catches up with Foley but Foley has "no comment."
Rhino vs. Matt Morgan: They trade standard licks until Morgan wins with the Carbon Footprint. Not much here.
Afterward, Rhino gores Morgan and is set to do it again until Hernandez comes out and chases Rhino away.
Daniels and Samoa Joe meet up in a hallway -- Joe plants some more doubt seeds by telling Daniels how AJ rolled his eyes when Joe suggested Daniels attacked AJ -- that means that AJ doesn't think that Daniels is even capable of taking him out -- that Daniels isn't "in the same league."
Don West pitches the TNA house shows but Homicide interrupts and bullies West into giving him an X Division title shot at Turning Point. Homicide takes Don West's Driver's License (and cash) as insurance -- huh.
AJ has been attacked backstage -- he's being attended to by an EMT (with blood on his gloves) -- there's Terry Taylor and Simon Diamond, too -- AJ gets taken away in an ambulance.
Desmond Wolfe vs. Kurt Angle: This doesn't seem like a "streetfight" at all -- it's just a reg'lar match. Angle owns the first half, but when Wolfe comes back, he comes back hard -- he wrings Angles arm and JERKS him to the mat. He goes for a clothesline where he first pivots backwards on the second rope -- I guess it's meant to look like he's gaining momentum but I think it just looks silly. Angle hits THREE German suplexes and then pulls down the straps and poses -- but Desmond's right back up again and he kills -- and I mean just KILLS -- Angle with a clothesline. Angle is OUT. Hebner tries to call off Wolfe -- he tells him that Angle "can't move" -- but Wolfe intimidates Hebner into the corner. He stands over Angle and tells him that he's going to end his career!
Angle ends up getting stretchered out. Amazing booking of Desmond these two weeks -- week one he lays out Angle TWICE, and then he gets the opening promo this week before knocking Angle out in the main event. It will be really interesting to see what happens to his momentum starting next week.
And then there's the Hogan Press conference to round out the show. There's Eric Bischoff. He introduces Hulk, who in turn introduces his new "business partner," Dixie Carter. (Is it my imagination, or does Hogan's voice drip with disdain when he says "business partner"?) TNA's great and all, Hulk says, but they need Hulk Hogan to give them the momentum to make something of themselves. Whatcha gonna do?
And so yeah.
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The Joe promo with Daniels showed why Joe is where he is. Daniels was so wooden while Joe was very casual and came off very real. I am looking forward to the triple threat match even though it will be overshadowed by Hogan coming in. Flash is going to be a star if given time while Lacey is just terrible. I am not sure what Nash's problem was with 3D. The match seemed to be over fairly quick once Chris got hurt. I am liking the idea that there is someone out there taking out the veterans, I wonder if they are going to make it Hogan? Speaking of Hogan, the more we see of this, the less hopefully I am. I do hope they can keep a leash on him, but with all the rumors circulating about the booking and power withing TNA, I just don't know.
Originally posted by lotjxThe Joe promo with Daniels showed why Joe is where he is. Daniels was so wooden while Joe was very casual and came off very real. I am looking forward to the triple threat match even though it will be overshadowed by Hogan coming in. Flash is going to be a star if given time while Lacey is just terrible. I am not sure what Nash's problem was with 3D. The match seemed to be over fairly quick once Chris got hurt. I am liking the idea that there is someone out there taking out the veterans, I wonder if they are going to make it Hogan? Speaking of Hogan, the more we see of this, the less hopefully I am. I do hope they can keep a leash on him, but with all the rumors circulating about the booking and power withing TNA, I just don't know.
According to Powell at prowrestling.net there is a rather large chunk of the 3D/MCMG match that was edited out in post. He was apparently in the ring a longer period of time post-injury than was shown last night on tv.
Loathe as I am to use a comparative argument, I've never known WWE to spend an entire show hyping a new signing and delivering nothing but a video package. TNA has got to break that habit - pimping Hogan's pretaped press conference as the most important event on the show, when they had already acknowledged his signing multiple times, just makes the promotion look small and Hogan look big.
I really, really hope Nigel's push survives the oncoming changes. Is Angle being written out here? Isn't his contract up soon?
Originally posted by Amos CochranLoathe as I am to use a comparative argument, I've never known WWE to spend an entire show hyping a new signing and delivering nothing but a video package.
In a kinda sorta parallel occurrence, SmackDown recently hyped the hell out of a special message from the Undertaker and it was a pre-taped backstage monologue. I get what you're saying, but the WWE has, even recently, pushed an out-of-ring experience by a top name.
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Originally posted by Amos CochranLoathe as I am to use a comparative argument, I've never known WWE to spend an entire show hyping a new signing and delivering nothing but a video package. TNA has got to break that habit - pimping Hogan's pretaped press conference as the most important event on the show, when they had already acknowledged his signing multiple times, just makes the promotion look small and Hogan look big.
What else could they have done? The Hogan deal is the most anyone has talked about TNA for a while and they'd have looked stupid for not hyping it. And on the off chance that some new viewers tuned in just to check out Hogan, they made the smart move by putting the press conference at the end so those viewers (assuming they exist, and TNA has to assume that they exist) would stick around for the whole show and hopefully get hooked by the rest of the product. Also, TNA is small and Hogan is big and there's not really any way to disguise that.
Due to the fact that the show was pre-taped, this was really the best they could do. By your logic they either shouldn't have mentioned Hogan at all or they should have acquired a time machine so they could hype the new signing and deliver more than just a video package.
Originally posted by Karlos the JackalHe (Wolfe) goes for a clothesline where he first pivots backwards on the second rope -- I guess it's meant to look like he's gaining momentum but I think it just looks silly.
I agree with this 100%. When ROH came to Orlando a few months ago, I went without having seen any of their tapes, so I didn't know any of the wrestlers except for Jerry Lynn and D Lo Brown. McGuinness kept doing that move several times during his match and I couldn't figure out why he kept almost falling out of the ring.
The first time it looked like D Lo nearly knocked him out of the ring but he recovered and countered with a clothesline, so it was kind of neat, but then he just kept doing it and it got annoying. Later on a friend that watched a lot of ROH explained it to me, but that still didn't make it look less stupid.
Or they could've gone for option c), putting the press conference video package at the beginning of the second hour, or even just before the Angle/Wolfe match. As it was, Angle's stretcher job was a complete non-event.
Also Matt, I'm pretty sure WWE have never delivered a pre-taped Undertaker vignette as a main event.
Originally posted by Karlos the Jackal He goes for a clothesline where he first pivots backwards on the second rope -- I guess it's meant to look like he's gaining momentum but I think it just looks silly.
About 50% of Wolfe's moves revolve around either a European uppercut or a lariat, so when he does his finisher he has to have a little bit of style to it. Gives the fans something to oooOOOOOOOOO!!!!! over. Last year, Nigel and Tyler Black had what I thought was the match of the year at Take No Prisoners which was basically Black dodging the jawbreaker lariat for about 30 mins.
Originally posted by Amos CochranOr they could've gone for option c), putting the press conference video package at the beginning of the second hour, or even just before the Angle/Wolfe match. As it was, Angle's stretcher job was a complete non-event.
Also Matt, I'm pretty sure WWE have never delivered a pre-taped Undertaker vignette as a main event.
You're still ignoring the fact that the press conference had to be last to keep any extra viewers that came just to see Hogan. If the video rolled before Angle/Wolfe then maybe they would have left. With the video after the match, maybe they really liked what they saw and will come back next week.
Now, I've got no problem if you don't think news of a press conference brought in any extra viewers. I personally doubt that Impact had a significantly larger audience this week than it would without the Hogan signing. But if you're TNA and you have no choice but to assume a lot of new viewers and structure the show to get the maximum advantage of them. You'd do everything you can to keep them tuned into your show until the credits roll otherwise you've wasted the opportunity.
That was a pretty good last show before Hogan. MCMG get a win over Team 3D, even if it was controversial. British Invasion cut a pretty good promo. I like the Global Title idea. AJ/Joe/Daniels was good and Nigel was excellent. I guess now we just have to see how much Hogan changes.
I'm not usually in favor of one competitor coming out and squashing multiple wrestlers, but the Beautiful People are so awful now TNA should have just fed them to Kong to put over the fact that she's flipped out. The six woman tag was just worthless and it ended up being more about Tara/Kong anyway.
Is Hogan a partner in the company, a booker, or is he wrestling? Or all of the above? I have yet to hear what his role will actually be. It seems like a lot of people are quick to crap on this idea before anything has really happened. Hogan is unable to wrestle on a regular basis, so I don't think we have to worry about that. But a few big name matches with Foley, Angle, etc might stir up some business, and that's not a bad thing. Now if he is in on the booking, that's a different story. But I fall into the "Wait and see" camp on this one.
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There is a pretty big ECW fanbase on this board. I'm wondering if any of you have any PPV's or taped TNN shows that you turn to, as an alternative to WWE. I know that I'm one person who does. Heatwave `98 is probably the best overall PPV I've ever seen....