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Angelina Sky vs. ODB: ODB is dominant, but she is outnumbered by Velvet Sky and "Cute" Kip at ringside. After Sky spits some liquid courage in ODB's face, Love hits the Lights Out (Flatliner) for the pin.

After the match, ODB tells "Knockout Law" Traci Brooks that she wants a match with both the Beautiful People. Brooks tells her to get a partner -- but Taylor Wilde, Awesome Kong, and Roxxi are off limits due to their upcoming match at Bound for Glory. What other faces are there?

Jeff Jarrett is out to address the comments Kurt Angle made in a recent interview. (He doesn't say anything about the "gimmick matches" comment, which supports my suspicion that these were "shoot comments" -- since Angle's said similar things before -- that are being used in an angle, rather than vice versa.)

JJ quotes Angle as saying that's he's "considering his options" when his contract runs out, and quotes Angle kissing up to Vince McMahon. Jarrett says that he'll beat Angle so bad at Bound for Glory that Vince won't take him back.

Awesome! So TNA's #1 guy wants to go to WWE, and the only way TNA can keep him is if Vince rejects him 'cause he's too beaten down. Best angle ever!

Motor City Machine Guns vs. LAX: Winner gets into the Monster's Ball match at Bound for Glory. LAX wins when Hernandez kills Sabin with a sitout powerbomb.

MMG got in some good shots, and it's hard to begrudge LAX their push, but I dunno. I was excited around the time of the X Cup because MMG were doing really well and winning matches but now it seems like they've dropped off the radar again. I can't imagine that either of them are going to stick around when their contracts are up; in fact, I wonder if they've made that clear and that's why they're an afterthought -- at best -- these days.

Abdul Bashir vs. Jimmy Rave vs. Eric Young: A couple of good moves, I guess, and then Bashir wins with the WMD, which is a DDT where the opponent starts off kneeling -- so it seems like it would be weaker than a standard DDT, but I'm not the expert. Who cares, anyway, after Bashir jobbed to Morgan last week? They've made it clear that the X title is far below the notice of any random midcarder.

Shane Sewell is too slow to raise Bashir's hand afterward, and Bashir pretends to punch him -- two for flinching! -- but that's as far as that goes.

Booker T & Team 3D vs. Christian Cage, AJ Styles, and Jay Lethal: Fun little match! Jay plays the face-in-peril but still comes off as able to hang. AJ accidentally clocks Cage, allowing Booker to roll up Cage for the pin. They're doing this tension thing between Cage and Styles, but I wish they could explore it without resorting to the hackneyed "hit him by accident" ploy.

Beer Money is out -- has James Storm converted his belt into a beer bandoleer? -- and they challenge any tag team in the world. This brings out LAX, Morgan & Abyss, and Team 3D, all participants in the Monster's Ball match -- and Cornette comes out as well, and declares that the Monster's Ball will now be a FOUR-way, and for the titles to boot! That could be a fun match.

The Beautiful People vs. ODB and...wait for it...wait...it's...Rhaka Khan! Wait, whut? Weird. Don West says, "everyone hates the Beautiful People!" Okay! Rhaka uses her long legs kinda like, West points out, Booker T -- axe kick, boot chokes -- well, that's more like a Stacy Keibler thing but still.

Rhaka Khan even gets the pin on Love with a FINISHER -- which I think Big Show used to use and called the "hog log" -- where she holds Love like Roll of the Dice and then swings her leg over and leg drops her. (She should call it the "3-2-1 Khantact.")

West and Tenay were pushing her as a new force to be reckoned with, but she's pretty awkward and not very good.

MICK FOLEY is out and talks about how nice it is to be here blah blah. He thanks Vince McMahon (man, he's sure coming up a lot tonight -- does he have a match at Bound for Glory or something?) for giving him opportunities and also for making Foley's decision to leave an easy one.

Kurt Angle is out and is mad. Foley tells him that he didn't carry TNA on his back, that it was guys like Styles and Samoa Joe. This "old vs. young" feud is very nice, especially since the young guys have an old guy to speak up for them!

Foley says that he got to call some great matches while announcing in WWE, and name-drops Edge and Undertaker and Cena and HHH and others (uh, why?). But Angle beat them all, and Foley wants to be as close to Angle as he sat to those other guys and see for himself if Angle is the best ever. So he's going to be the SPECIAL ENFORCER for the Jarret vs. Angle match at Bound for Glory! Angle is super pissed although I'm not totally sure why.

I will note that I think West and Tenay's mics were turned off for that whole segment -- a nice change.

So there it is.

--K

(edited by Karlos the Jackal on 3.10.08 0212)

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I thought Mick was above taking potshots at the company who did so much for him. I guess Vince yelling in one's ear invalidates everything else the 'E helped him accomplish.



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I thought that Angle's line about him not being "the only one to lose a wife" was kinda too soon ... but I'm sure Jarrett signed off on it.
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Mick's promo was a lot of what's wrong with TNA. He's trying to build up his brewing feud with Angle by name dropping guys that Kurt's beaten - you know, important guys from the WWE, because the guys in TNA are nobodies. Shit, this is not the way to make your company seem like a big deal. It's like they're actively playing second fiddle. "Do you like the WWE? Well, we're almost exactly like WWE, and soon we'll have enough of their cast-offs that you won't be able to tell the difference!"
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This young vs. old feud would be more interesting if the main guys on the young side weren't....Jeff Jarrett and Mick Foley.
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Didn't Melina also used to use the "splits" legdrop as a finisher?

Nice to see Mick again, even if I don't know what the hell they're going to do with him.



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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.14
    Originally posted by Mayhem

    I thought that Angle's line about him not being "the only one to lose a wife" was kinda too soon ... but I'm sure Jarrett signed off on it.


Doesn't that make it even tackier?
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I didn't see the show, so can someone explain to me what the POINT of Angle's line was? Did he say anything other than (paraphrasing) "I'm not the only one who's lost a wife?" Because if not, I don't really get it. It's not really an insult or an attack. It's not like he blamed Jeff for causing Jill's death, or made light of the situation. He just referred to it. An uncomfortable reference, possibly, but nothing more.

At least when WWE exploits someone's death, they know how to do it right. "Eddie's down there, in Hell" made Rey Mysterio mad. "Eddie Guerrero is dead" would have merely been a statement of fact that you might not like to think about but you can't really argue with.



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    Originally posted by KJames199
    I didn't see the show, so can someone explain to me what the POINT of Angle's line was? Did he say anything other than (paraphrasing) "I'm not the only one who's lost a wife?" Because if not, I don't really get it. It's not really an insult or an attack. It's not like he blamed Jeff for causing Jill's death, or made light of the situation. He just referred to it. An uncomfortable reference, possibly, but nothing more.

    At least when WWE exploits someone's death, they know how to do it right. "Eddie's down there, in Hell" made Rey Mysterio mad. "Eddie Guerrero is dead" would have merely been a statement of fact that you might not like to think about but you can't really argue with.


I would think it would simply be to piss Jarrett off. Don't Piss Him Off, though.



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    Originally posted by KJames199
    I didn't see the show, so can someone explain to me what the POINT of Angle's line was? Did he say anything other than (paraphrasing) "I'm not the only one who's lost a wife?" Because if not, I don't really get it. It's not really an insult or an attack. It's not like he blamed Jeff for causing Jill's death, or made light of the situation. He just referred to it. An uncomfortable reference, possibly, but nothing more.

Jarrett cut a promo last week talking about how Angle had lost everything (the TNA title, his gold medals, his wife...) so Angle retaliated this week by saying that Jarrett was right but he (Angle) isn't the only one who's lost a wife. It was basically Angle being a prick because he knew everything Jarrett said was true and he wanted revenge. I absolutely loved the crowd reaction to it. All the way through Angle's promo the fans were starting up the whole "What?" chant between every pause, and when Angle finally got to the aformentioned line the crowd was like "Whaaatoooooooooohhh!!!".



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    Originally posted by CTX
    Jarrett cut a promo last week talking about how Angle had lost everything (the TNA title, his gold medals, his wife...) so Angle retaliated this week by saying that Jarrett was right but he (Angle) isn't the only one who's lost a wife. It was basically Angle being a prick because he knew everything Jarrett said was true and he wanted revenge.
That's some pretty sad revenge. They look tasteless by bringing up the dead wife as part of the storyline, but they didn't actually have Angle say anything that should make Jarrett mad. If they had to go there (and they didn't, but whatever), at least TRY - insult the dead wife, accuse Jarrett of causing it, whatever. "Your wife is dead" is not an insult if it is a statement of fact.



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They should've just stolen a page from Arrested Development's book.

Angle: And second-of-ly, I know you're the big marriage expert. Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot. Your wife is dead!.......I'm sorry. That was 100% inappropriate, and I do apologize profusely. I'm ... oh.



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    Originally posted by KJames199
      Originally posted by CTX
      Jarrett cut a promo last week talking about how Angle had lost everything (the TNA title, his gold medals, his wife...) so Angle retaliated this week by saying that Jarrett was right but he (Angle) isn't the only one who's lost a wife. It was basically Angle being a prick because he knew everything Jarrett said was true and he wanted revenge.
    That's some pretty sad revenge. They look tasteless by bringing up the dead wife as part of the storyline, but they didn't actually have Angle say anything that should make Jarrett mad. If they had to go there (and they didn't, but whatever), at least TRY - insult the dead wife, accuse Jarrett of causing it, whatever. "Your wife is dead" is not an insult if it is a statement of fact.


he CROSSED THE LINE, dude.



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    Originally posted by KJames199
      Originally posted by CTX
      Jarrett cut a promo last week talking about how Angle had lost everything (the TNA title, his gold medals, his wife...) so Angle retaliated this week by saying that Jarrett was right but he (Angle) isn't the only one who's lost a wife. It was basically Angle being a prick because he knew everything Jarrett said was true and he wanted revenge.
    That's some pretty sad revenge. They look tasteless by bringing up the dead wife as part of the storyline, but they didn't actually have Angle say anything that should make Jarrett mad. If they had to go there (and they didn't, but whatever), at least TRY - insult the dead wife, accuse Jarrett of causing it, whatever. "Your wife is dead" is not an insult if it is a statement of fact.

I appreciated the subtlety. I don't think it was intended to make Jarrett mad, more to hurt him by even bringing it up. It's why I didn't have a problem with the line as it's totally something that would be said in real life if two people who hated each other had the very same argument.

On the flip side I hated (but wasn't offended by) the Randy Orton "Eddie's in hell" line because it wasn't retaliation to anything and wasn't something anyone would actually say to someone they were mad at. Orton may as well have tied Mysterio's kids to a train line and twirled his moustache and it would have had the same pantomime villain effect.



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I posted about this awhile back, but wasn't able to find any replay information. Well, today the documentary is being replayed every few hours at least until 1am EST. Basically, it looks into the connection between wrestling and real life violence.
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