I doubt I've thought about LOST much at all since 2010, but apparently a lot of other folks have. (Not here so much...I checked.) Still...I'd be interested in hearing your reaction to what's supposed to be one more "Breaking Bad" piece (so SPOILERS if somehow you still haven't watched it and care about that) but turned into one last (he says) piece about the "Lost" finale.
Lost was one of those shows that I missed the boat on early and never caught up. Was the finale THAT bad? I am sure it was not M*A*S*H or Newhart great, but was it as bad as Seinfeld or as unsatisfying as The Sopranos?
The finale wasn't THAT bad but the ABC promos kept saying they were going to answer major questions which they didn't bother to do and kind of prove people's theories that they just made it up as they went along. I was watching a lot of Damon Lindelof's videos about how the last season was completely planned and will be great and stuff, then instead of answering questions they just went somewhere else with the afterlife and flash sideways storyline. And then ABC decided to show footage of the wreckage on the beach with no cast members during the end credits and my co-workers all thought they were all dead the whole time even though I told them they weren't...everything up to Jack dying happened. I recently rewatched the first 3 episodes and it had so much potential but finding out the real answers to the noises in the jungle and why there was a polar bear on the island was pretty dissatisfying.
The Lost finale wasn't any worse than anything else from the last few seasons.
The biggest gripe was that one of the most prevalent fan theories guessed they were all in some sort of metaphysical state of purgatory. The creators said NO NO NO for years, and then that's what it ends up being.
It points toward the creators not really having a solid plan from the stat and making things up as they went. This, in itself, is not bad, but pretending there is a big plan and then either not sticking to it or not being truthful about that is quite disingenuous.
My memories of the finale include cheering for victories and survivals and crying for the revelation of their realities, the reunion, and Jack's fate. It moved me and closed the story in a satisfying way. No fist pumping, no high fives. Lost wasn't that kinda show for me.
There are some folks who will never be able to reconcile their perception of a story and the parallel version they envisioned. That's who bitches at Lindelof. Frustrated armchair quarterbacks.
"To be the man, you gotta beat demands." -- The Lovely Mrs. Tracker
Lost's finale was a satisfying conclusion to the sixth season, but not to the series as a whole since the sixth year itself went off the rails. The whole "flash-sideways" alternate reality proved to be pretty much a waste of time, and the on-Island story had a lot of filler as well.
All this being said, I wouldn't immediately think of Lost when I think of a "bad" or "unsatisfying" final episode. I think Dexter has sewn that title up for all eternity.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." --- Bart Giamatti, on baseball
I have nothing to say about the LOST finale that I haven't said before.
This letter from Lindeloff is supposed to be him asking for mercy, but instead it comes across as one of those "I'm quitting this message board" type posts. I'm sure it was good for Damon to get that off his chest but people are still going to associate him with a botched landing and he will never hear the end of it. This just adds fuel to the fire. He needs to just write and not do any sorts of media for a good decade before resurfacing. I think Cuse moved on to Bates Motel and he seems to be rebuilding his career. Lindeloff can't avoid jumping into the limelight and making himself a target. He's right to want to stop, but this post shows he doesn't know how to do that.
I think the reason why people were so mad at the LOST finale was because the show had so many moments of brilliance (the entire first season, the season two premiere, the season three finale, and all of season five) that when we got to the end and they chose sentimentality over brilliance (and answers to mysteries!) which went against a lot of what was set up before it.
Season Five was so well done and had answered more questions than people give it credit for (a lot of the time traveling wound up causing a lot of the mysteries they were trying to solve, which was AWESOME). Then we get to Season Six and it's such a horrible thing for the Man in Black to leave the island, yet we never get to find out why, the Island is incredibly important but we never really know how it's important, and the deepest we go is some cork in the middle of the earth that harnesses magic after so much of the show was "grounded" (at least, as grounded as a show can get with magic smoke monsters).
So yeah, never gonna be off the hook for that one. Lost had a pattern of paying the mysteries off until they decided not to.
(I do still like a lot of the Jack/Jack's Dad stuff in the finale, though. I always felt that's what the show was about, the daddy issues moreso than anything else, so he did pay that off. Even if it wasn't in the smartest way.)
Lost was full of wonderful ideas that I don't think the creators ever planned on answering, and maybe they shouldn't have. Their problems really seemed to start when they listened to everything the Internet was saying about the show and they seemed to want to please everyone.
There was a point in the show where I realized that they had no idea where they were going and this probably wasn't going to be a satisfying ending. X-Files was the same way. Sometimes it's tough to have really big ideas and conspiracy theories with satisfying answers. The meaning of life might not be found on a TV show.
Lost had good actors and excellent character development though. If Walking Dead had half the actors and character depth Lost gave it's people it would be a lot more interesting.
My biggest gripe with Lost isn't the finale, but Mr Eko leaving the show way to early.
Originally posted by oudomAnd then ABC decided to show footage of the wreckage on the beach with no cast members during the end credits and my co-workers all thought they were all dead the whole time even though I told them they weren't...everything up to Jack dying happened. I recently rewatched the first 3 episodes and it had so much potential but finding out the real answers to the noises in the jungle and why there was a polar bear on the island was pretty dissatisfying.
I only watched the finale once and walked away, but can someone put explain the confusion here, because he mentioned it too and I only remember purgatory.
Originally posted by BigDaddyLocoI only watched the finale once and walked away, but can someone put explain the confusion here, because he mentioned it too and I only remember purgatory.
The confusion is that the wreckage shot made some people believe it meant they were dead the whole time and the island was purgatory when that wasn't the case at all. Everything on the island happened and all the stuff when Jack and the others left the island happened. The only bit that was actually a purgatory deal was that alternate reality where Sawyer has a cop. That was supposed to be some sort of temporary holding zone that they all were waiting in until all of them died so they could go to the afterlife together.
I never understood why there was any confusion at all. As much as Lost liked to bring questions without answers, in the church in the last episode, Jack's dad flat out tells him what was real and what wasn't. The events on the island were so important to their lives that it tied them all together, which is why their souls were all waiting for the entire group before heading to the afterlife.
Breaking Bad was one of those shows that *I* didn't really latch into in the beginning, & never caught up to. Although I've always thought that one day I'd get around to. So I can't really say if there was more Breaking Bad homage in Lindelof's piece than appears on the surface.
What I can say is that after the BB finale, Lindelof retweeted (twitter.com) about 20 different tweets vehemently conveying the theme of "fuck you Damon Lindelof". And that's just the ones that he retweeted. Some people hated the ending of Lost, I was fine with it. (No, it wasn't all purgatory!!!) So Lindelof is having a nice day watching a great ending to a great show (So I hear.), & gets deluged with hate for his work from 3 years ago?
If any given person hated it, that's fine & totally their perogative. But really, is that the first thing they think of when they see something completely different that they enjoy? On one hand ... "Let it go!" On the other hand, the fact that they're *still* so irate about it is a testament to how deeply emotionally involved with Lost many people were.
Is it appropriate that Lindelof used this opportunity to make his statement? I think it's fine. What he'd say about BB is the same "it was really good" as everybody else is saying -- he included that in his piece. Was he going to provide an insider, in-depth analysis of *why* it was good? I'm not sure that would be appropriate. But he did say how it affected him, which is a perfectly sound thing to do in an op-ed piece.
And, I did appreciate his insight:
Originally posted by LindelofAll story is reflective, designed to illuminate its own characters and the themes surrounding them. When a show is as brilliant as Breaking Bad, it's not just about the people we're watching, it's about those watching them. About us. In other words, the better the show, the deeper it forces you to look at yourself.
Lindelof also says,
Originally posted by LindelofI am Walter White. Arrogant. Conceited. Selfish. Entitled. Looking for ways to blame everything and everyone but myself, even though it is perfectly clear the situation I find myself in is of my own making. And here's the worst part: I'm still naive enough to believe I can attain some level of redemption.
So the question to those who watched BB: Is he Walter White?
The biggest issue with LOST's finale? It spent a season setting up a syrupy "it was about the love you all shared" afterlife scene that could have been tacked on to literally any major longrunning show ever. It was an excuse to get the core cast (except for baffling omissions like Michael) into one room for one last dewy-eyed moment to send the housewives home happy. It was cheap crap.
I bought the newest MST3K set right after work and am in the middle of one of the extras on one of the disks. Can't wait to watch Master Ninja 1 and Master Ninja 2, mostly because they are held in high regard by most MSTies and I have never seen it.