"Not to mention most WWE ppv's now are just basically glorified weekly tv shows with matches that aren't much longer, another sign of WWE's declining creativity. Once again, if any shells out over 30 dollars for a WWE PPV, but better be worth it and then some. And don't try to tell me that Vengeance was."
I liked Vengaence. It was worth my money. And the matches were LONGER than most tv matches. Period.
Yeah, that declining creativity that makes them want to push new superstars. Sucks doesn't it? Plus I can't honestly think of a bad match on Vengaence (Jericho/Cena wasn't great, but it wasn't bad). I think Vengaence and the week of tv before it were a real turning point. I just hope they don't shift gears three weeks from now and I'm saying the same thing about Summerslam. I don't think the creativity has declined. If anything it's been on the upswing. Bischoff has added life to the product. His onscreen character is great and he is very passionate in his work.
Here's to the return of Rey.
I got two blips on my Ha-dar. Shoot 'em down!
The next time I hear you say "glass ceiling" or you complain about someone being shoved down their throats, I'm gonna take that glass ceiling and shove it down your throat.
I commented on this in a prior thread, but I'll do it again here. Firstly, in my opinion the shows aren't competing in the same way that Raw/Nitro were competing back in the day. They aren't running them as two completely seperate promotions. They don't have two seperate owners. Vince is the owner of both shows. In his pursuit to make both shows more profitable and more exciting, he's named two GMs to run each show, but he's still the owner of the whole company.
ANYway....I just wanted to throw that out there saying that "the split" is a failure because "Smackdown has advertisements on Raw" or vice versa, and other such "cross-promotional" things so there's no sense of seperate companies. Vince is still the owner of both shows and he wants to make money for both shows, so he advertises on both shows. When it was owner Flair vs. owner Vince, that sort of thing didn't make sense, but now it does. Same goes with why there are Smackdown and Raw matches on the same PPV. It's not seperate companies running on the same show. It's the same company with different GMs running on Vince McMahon's PPV.
Regarding how the PPV commentary/match structure should be, my opinion is this. It makes sense to me to have Cole/Tazz announce the Smackdown matches and JR/King announce the Raw matches. Maybe two seperate announce tables or, like somebody said, Raw gets the first half of the PPV airing all their matches first and Smackdown gets the second with all their matches. I also like the idea of Raw and Smackdown eventually alternating PPVs, which leads to more time between each show's PPVs and more time to build them up. The brands should only come together for the "big 5" PPVs; Royal Rumble where people from both brands compete in the Rumble, WrestleMania with inter-show matches, KOTR like they did it this year with Raw v. Smackdown in the brackets, SummerSlam, and Survivor Series with Raw/Smackdown Survivor matches. Again, that makes it more special when they actually do interact with each other and they can make it an even bigger deal when there's Raw v. Smackdown matches.
Fab, I agree that they keeping Steph and Hunter together was a much more unusual and interesting thing than having her go with Angle. Hunter's feelings for Steph gave his charchter so much more depth, but the problem for me is that if they were gonna have her stay with Hunter it should have ended after she kicked Angle in the nuts at Unforgiven. To have it keep simmering implied that there was another big PPV macth in there somewhere. I think the angle needed that because it had been going on for moths and months, even if the outcome of that match was to have Steph stay with Hunter. I totally agree with your opinion that they need more developed storylines. My husband just has stopped watching recently because there was no plot. But then again he was a big fan of the corporation/ministry angle..eesh. But you know maybe what the WWF needs to pump some life back into it is a stable that could involve the midcard in some meaningful matches. (and a new stable not just some dumbass retread like the NWO or DX2 or the new Super Corporate Ministry!) I think that's the key difference between now and a few years ago: everyone had an angle so therefore everyone seemed important to the viewer. Workrate and good technical matches are important, but if you don't make them mean a damn thing then no one is going to care. Maybe they need a bit more soap-opera (that involves no McMahons of any type.)
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There was not one match on vengeance over 20 minutes. Not to mention they conducted one of those stupid RAW/Smackdown type interviews to eat up a lot of the show. Those simply do not belong on ppv. If I put down money for a PPV there better be no RAW interviews and tons of great wrestling on it. I mean why should I pay for a ppv when sometimes the WWE gives us better matches on TV?
Look Deonion. I don't have a problem with pushing new superstars. But these guys Orton and Cena are being pushed too hard too fast and they don't really have interesting characters or have had matches that are rather compelling. I'm not saying they shouldn't be pushed or on tv, but they need to be built up a bit more gradually.
"It is a strange fate that we suffer so much fear and doubt over so small a thing...such a little thing." -Boromir
I was in New York last week! It was really neat! And then I come back here and find that no one could bear to start an Impact thread without me! That's sweet, I guess! What, nobody had anything to say about the return of Judy Bagwell?