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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.00
    Originally posted by Lexus
    Between Identity Crisis, War Games, and the Rebirth story, it looks as if DC is trying to isolate Batman. After all, how can the most wanted man in Gotham turn around and go to the satellite to pal around with the world's greatest heroes? Ever notice how nobody ever goes with him to save Gotham either?

    The best Batman stories are just that. There usually aren't many tie ins with the rest of the DCU, and it really looks as if DC knows that.

It's definitely the way Batman should be. I read all of War Games after a long hiatus from Batman and comics in general, and it was insane the number of people they had jumping around Gotham. If he's such a loner, why the hell are all these kids and people such a part of his 'team'? I'm surprised they didn't bring back Team Batman.

As far as the JLA goes, breaking it up (for the 8 millionth time) is the LAST thing they should do. Obviously they're getting Batman out after he finds out about his mindwipe. But no one cares about a team full of 2nd stringers. The big seven are the Justice League. Bring in Plastic Man and a revolving chair if need be but damn it, I want to read about the seven of them saving the damn world. If it's so hard to think of new stories that don't involve disbanding the Justice League, then they need to just cancel the series. My god, they already have 3 JLA books! Stick the b-team in one of those! Like during the Death of Superman story, the "JLA" came in, and it was Guy Gardner, Ice, Blue Beetle, Booster Gold and Bloodwynd! WHO?!?! This was the Justice League? They finally get the team back together the right way in the current series and everyone's calling for them to disband again. THey even stuck Major Disaster, Faith and that other guy in there before booting them off to Elite. Ok I'm done with that.

Identity Crisis:

Bad ending to a great story. It's pretty much all they could do without pissing off the world by making the Atom the killer. I think it all worked well, but it was just very anti-climatic. The page at the end with Batman and Flash was done very nicely. But what about the Lex Luthor armor from #1?

Green Lantern Rebirth

I'm loving this with a passion. They're getting rid of all the BS that's been associated with the character and getting back to what people want. Plus the art is beautiful. Great comic.

Checking out Astonishing X-Men with the first tradepaperback in January. Should be nice.
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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.97
My first reaction after finishing "Identity Crisis" was "I paid 28 bucks for THAT?!" It was supposedly a much more human and realistic storyline. Sure, all down-to-earth stories involve someone shrinking down to microscopic size then burning the body with a confiscated gun from a supervillain.

My biggest complaint stems from the retconning of the JLA. Stick with me on this for awhile...

Pre-Crisis, it was established that pretty much everybody in the sateltie JLA knew all the other members' secret identities. For instance, there's an old "Brave & the Bold" where Bruce Wayne invites Barry and Iris Allen to Gotham City for a weekend of disco dancing. After the Crisis, it was established that things were..."fuzzy". Batman was portrayed as being more secretive, and not everybody in the old JLA knew who he was. You could retcon this and say "well, everybody in the old JLA knew Bruce was Batman" and I could handle that. But then we hit a problem with Tim Drake.

Obviously, Tim was NOT in the old JLA. Tim came onboard the Bat-family about 3 years after the Crisis, or roughly 1 year in comic time. The exact comic time may be fuzzy, but it's important to note that Tim WAS NOT Robin while Batman was a part of the satellite era JLA.

Also, Tim has not held a public profile of being playboy Bruce Wayne's "ward", like Dick Grayson was. Dick would often accompany Bruce to parties and was well-known around Gotham. I can't think of any public appearances where Bruce brought Tim along. Tim Drake is basically an unknown to Gotham's populace. Thus, it makes no sense why Atom, Elongated Man and all the other heroes would talk about "Tim's dad", as if they knew Tim Drake was Robin. Batman's been much more secretive since the mid 80's and it seems especially stupid that Batman would show up at a superhero picnic sometime in the last few years and say "oh yeah, ya' know that Robin kid I hang out with sometimes? His name's Tim Drake. Look him up!" Incredibly out of character for Bruce to jeopardize Tim's identity.

I thought that perhaps only the Calculator knew Tim's secret identity. I could buy that. But.. Ray Palmer and Jean Loring drop Tim's name in private, as if it's common knowledge between them.

Or...did I miss sometime really BIG recently? Did Robin unmask and announce to everybody that he's really Tim Drake? Am I being too ignorant? It seems retarded that a big plotpoint of a much-hyped series would have such a gaping hole in it. If the answer to this gripe is "ES, you douchebag...all will be revealed in Countdown and Rogue War: two new series that will re-define the DCU and everyone in it!!"..then you can imagine how pissed off I am.



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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.00
Well one big thing that you may have missed recently is everyone in the JLA revealing their identities to each other. So Kyle Rayner knows that Bruce Wayne is Batman and vice-versa and so forth.

So, if everyone knows that Bruce Wayne is Batman, it's safe to assume they were either told by Batman or Tim Drake that Tim and Robin are one and the same.

Soo, if the JLA (and I guess the reserves as well) all know that Bruce Wayne is Batman and Tim Drake is Robin, then they might tell their wives. Thus, Jean Loring would know that Jack Drake is Robin's father.

I'm assuming that Calculator just thought it was another job not related to the hero killings. And he must still assume this.

So, that's my take on things. The revelations in the JLA took place a while ago, not sure what issues, but I think it was after Ra's Al Ghul got Batman's plans on how to take down the league and used them against the JLA. This made everyone not trust Batman so they just told each other their names. I think that's how it went down anyways. I'll have to pick up that trade paperback.
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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.99
    Originally posted by bradbice
    Well one big thing that you may have missed recently is everyone in the JLA revealing their identities to each other. So Kyle Rayner knows that Bruce Wayne is Batman and vice-versa and so forth.

    So, if everyone knows that Bruce Wayne is Batman, it's safe to assume they were either told by Batman or Tim Drake that Tim and Robin are one and the same.

    Soo, if the JLA (and I guess the reserves as well) all know that Bruce Wayne is Batman and Tim Drake is Robin, then they might tell their wives. Thus, Jean Loring would know that Jack Drake is Robin's father.

    I'm assuming that Calculator just thought it was another job not related to the hero killings. And he must still assume this.

Nope..I ain't buying it. I read the JLA story arc where Batman and the JLA all revealed their ID's to each other in the Batcave (Mark Waid's run..circa JLA #50 I think). But that's not my gripe. I could understand using the transitive property to figure out Dick Grayson's ID.. but not Tim Drake's. Again, during his Robin days, Dick was almost as high profile as Bruce Wayne. Tim isn't. Nobody knows Tim from Random DCU High School Kid.

It took a huge act (Ra's screwing the JLA and digging up Thomas and Martha Wayne's grave) to get Batman to break down and reveal all to his League colleagues. Considering Batman's secrecy and his guilt over Jason Todd, I really can't buy him jeopardizing the lives of Tim and Jack Drake's. Especially since Tim lost his mother when he first signed on as Robin.

I really cant' buy Batman giving the okay to spread his ID to the reserves. Let alone Ray Palmer's estranged ex-wife.

BUT...I didn't follow Young Justice or the current Teen Titans mag. Did Tim spill the beans about his ID in one of those titles?! Revealing your ID is cardinal sin #2 for a Bat-Family member (#1 would be killing someone, I'd imagine. See: Huntress and Azrael).

(edited by estragand on 20.12.04 2112)


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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.30
    Originally posted by estragand
      Originally posted by bradbice
      Well one big thing that you may have missed recently is everyone in the JLA revealing their identities to each other. So Kyle Rayner knows that Bruce Wayne is Batman and vice-versa and so forth.

      So, if everyone knows that Bruce Wayne is Batman, it's safe to assume they were either told by Batman or Tim Drake that Tim and Robin are one and the same.

      Soo, if the JLA (and I guess the reserves as well) all know that Bruce Wayne is Batman and Tim Drake is Robin, then they might tell their wives. Thus, Jean Loring would know that Jack Drake is Robin's father.

      I'm assuming that Calculator just thought it was another job not related to the hero killings. And he must still assume this.

    Nope..I ain't buying it. I read the JLA story arc where Batman and the JLA all revealed their ID's to each other in the Batcave (Mark Waid's run..circa JLA #50 I think). But that's not my gripe. I could understand using the transitive property to figure out Dick Grayson's ID.. but not Tim Drake's. Again, during his Robin days, Dick was almost as high profile as Bruce Wayne. Tim isn't. Nobody knows Tim from Random DCU High School Kid.

    It took a huge act (Ra's screwing the JLA and digging up Thomas and Martha Wayne's grave) to get Batman to break down and reveal all to his League colleagues. Considering Batman's secrecy and his guilt over Jason Todd, I really can't buy him jeopardizing the lives of Tim and Jack Drake's. Especially since Tim lost his mother when he first signed on as Robin.

    I really cant' buy Batman giving the okay to spread his ID to the reserves. Let alone Ray Palmer's estranged ex-wife.

    BUT...I didn't follow Young Justice or the current Teen Titans mag. Did Tim spill the beans about his ID in one of those titles?! Revealing your ID is cardinal sin #2 for a Bat-Family member (#1 would be killing someone, I'd imagine. See: Huntress and Azrael).

    (edited by estragand on 20.12.04 2112)


Exactly. Batman & Superman know each others IDs because they've saved each others asses for years. Wonder Woman, too. I can buy The Flash & Green Lantern knowing because Barry Allen (Silver Age Flash) & Hal Jordan (Silver Age GL) were also saving their asses, and the same courtesy would've been extended. Heck, Wally West (current Flash) was Kid Flash before Barry died. But the rest? Aquaman & Martian Manhunter skirt by via telepathy. Why the hell would anybody else know?



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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.28
I totally agree with your comments about how Batman letting these identities be known is totally out of character. Hell, I thought that the big upshot of IC would be that the JLA would have all knowledge of the others' identities be mindwiped away by Zatanna to prevent anything like this from happening again. Then again, in the DC Universe, people can't recognize Clark Kent when he takes off his glasses.



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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.99
    Originally posted by Big Bad
    Then again, in the DC Universe, people can't recognize Clark Kent when he takes off his glasses.

Heh. That's always a fun joke. However, with his different mannerisms, Christopher Reeve pulled off the dual identity trick with no problem. Also, DC once stated that Superman actually condenses his spine when he's Clark, making Clark appear a good 4-5 inches shorter than Supes.

To swing it back to ID Crisis...when did Dr. Light get de-powered and revert to his old costume? I remember seeing the "new and improved" Underworld Unleashed Dr. Light as recently as 2002 in "Harley Quinn". Oh yeah..and the current Black Spider was still a white guy.

Dontcha' love it when random fanboy "fan-fictions" see print?!



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