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Zeruel
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Since: 2.1.02
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I was torn on putting this here or One Question, but I think this is more appropriate.

There is a new 8 on 8 indoor football team coming to DC and the tryouts are this Saturday. I'm seriously considering on trying out for the D line, but I have concerns.

While I have watched lots of college and pro ball, I've never played on any level. I got hurt getting tackled trying out for JV and took up wrestling and never looked back.

In this league, AIFA, there must be 3 DLs on a 3 or 4 point stance and must rush. They can not go into pass coverage. I think that position would give me the best chance of making the team because there would be less for them to teach me, if I have the skills, unless I'm wrong.

I'm 5'10, 315 lbs with a 395 lbs one rep max on the bench (I do 330 for my regular workouts) and I can squat 330 with no problem. I once tested my self at 225 bench presses and this summer I did a set of 25. I'm sure I could belt out a set of 30 to 35 if needed.

I think I'm fast for my size, but that's subjective. I hope I could do the 40 in 6 or 7 seconds. I don't have much of a vertical, but I can block a shot or two in my volleyball league. I have been told by my team mates that I'm the most nimble person they've played with. I wear pads and I put my body on the line with ever dive and slide to keep the ball off the court. For those who have played, my question is this: do you think it's worth my time and $65 to actually think I could make it as an indoor league D lineman with what info I've given?

I'm inching closer to 32 and I would love to play tackle football on some level before I'm way over the hill.




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I played in high school and now coach. I say go for it. $65 isn't that much money to try and chase a dream. If you had longer than a week between this post and the tryout to train, I'd recommend doing some Olympic lifting as your strength training as those lifts more accurately mimic the movements used in football. Since you seem to be a bit of an athlete anyway, you should do alright, but I'd expect the tryouts to be full of guys that played at the juco/lower level college that have experience. But it sounds like you've got pretty good size, and that's one thing you can't coach. At this level, you seem like you'd make a pretty decent nose tackle if you can hold your ground. I've got a few friends that play in a semi-pro adult league football through here (hometeamsonline.com) ( here, specifically (cvfl.org). If the eight man thing doesn't work out for you, something like that can always be an option for you as well.

//Also, should you make the team, you should totally play in some form of your Halloween facepaint.

(edited by Whitebacon on 23.11.08 2213)
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    Originally posted by Whitebacon
    At this level, you seem like you'd make a pretty decent nose tackle if you can hold your ground.


Agreed, due to your size and low center of gravity. Probably best suited for stopping the run up the middle and forcing everything to the outside, like a Casey Hampton or a Jamal Williams.

For 65 bucks, I say go for it. You'll love every minute of it. Good luck.

(edited by TwisterF5 on 24.11.08 0252)


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FOOTBALL HURTS.
Zeruel
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Thanks for the input guys. I just worry that because I didn't know what a "1-technique" was until Cooley posted it in his blog, with his junk, that I will be REALLY behind alot of people.

I was reading up on the open tryouts for the Baltimore team and 75 people showed up for 20 spots.

I don't want to give the wrong impression about my body type. My body is more like Mark Henry than a John Cena or HHH. I have a power lifter body, not a body builder one. But, I guess that would just reinforce that I should got for NT.

Oh, and coach Whitebacon. I wish I had longer time to prep too. I literally found out about this team Friday night on the radio. Here is the last heavy and light set from my last upper body workouts (yes, I am such a nerd that I record every set and rep I do)

I list it as reps x weight. With my light workout, I'm going rep heavy with low weights. With my heavy workout, I'm going heavy on the weight with trying to do a combined 16 reps.
Light workout (reps x weight). I rest 1.5 mins between sets and 3 mins between exercises. I do 2 light arms a week, going in this order day A and then reversing the order day B. The next week, I go heavy, and one day in that order, then the next I reverse it.
Biceps curls (preacher style): 17 x 50 lbs , 10 x 50, 8 x 50
Triceps extensions: 20 x 90, 15, x 90, 10 x 90
Seated military press: 16 x 100, 13 x 100, 12 x 100
Bench press: 20 x 180, 13 x 180, 10 x 180
Shoulder/neck shrugs: 20 x 180, 12 x 180, 10 x 180
Lat pulldowns: 12 x 180, 10 x 180, 7 x 180.
225 total reps, 30420 total lbs lifted

Heavy:
Biceps curls: 9 x 90, 5 x 90
Triceps extensions: 8 x 155, 7 x 155
Seated military press: 10 x 180, 10 x 180 (Last time I went over 200 lbs, I nearly tore my left shoulder)
Bench Press: 10 x 320, 5 x 340 (I'm working back up to 350 after not working out while in Vegas at the end of Sept and not working out for two weeks in Oct due to a nasty cold)
Shoulder/Neck shrugs: 8 x 355, 8 x 355
Lat pulldowns: 9 x 275, 6 x 275
95 total reps, 21570 lbs lifted.

Is there anything I should change/modify this week? Yes, I take weight lifters vitamins, Creatine, L-Arginine, L-glutamine, and I switched from Muscle Milk to Isopure because of the carbs. I'm pretty close to Type II diabetes, which started this whole diet and exercise thing. I might switch back because I don't feel like I'm getting the workouts I had before.


(edited by Zeruel on 24.11.08 1414)

(edited by Zeruel on 24.11.08 1415)

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    Originally posted by SEADAWG
    FOOTBALL HURTS.


This is true. I likely tore my labrum my sophomore year in high school and didn't have surgery on it until after my junior year. Plus a couple of concussions and the normal bangs and bruises that accumulate.

As far as your workout goes Z, I'd stick with your normal stuff. If you go further, I'd work in some hang cleans, power cleans, push jerk, snatches, overhead squats, things like those that train explosiveness as well.

(edited by Whitebacon on 24.11.08 2147)
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Hell, I played in a TOUCH football league a few years ago, and promptly suffered what was probably the first concussion of my life. It took weeks before I didn't get a bit dizzy in the shower every morning. I learned my lesson real quick.



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I can't find anything specific on what the DC Armor will be testing for, but in other AIFA tryouts they evaluated:

* 40-Yard Dash
* 20-Yard Shuttle
* Broad Jump
* Position Drills
* One-on-Ones
* Evaluations based on offensive and defensive sides of the ball

I would go in and have fun with it as it's not every day you get to go through a combine setting. At the very least you will be able to work off some turkey!
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Zeruel: is that the order you usually do your exercises in? If so, I'd very strongly recommend putting your compound exercises before your isolation exercises. Always do bench presses before tricep extensions, and lat pulldowns before bicep curls. The bench and lat pulldowns work the chest and back, respectively, and you want to be completely fresh for those, as you'll gain more from those exercises than you will from the bicep curls and tricep extensions.
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Thanks to everyone who chimed in. I really appreciated all the help. I didn't make the cut, but I wasn't surprised

They were 30 mins late opening up RFK and registration didn't finish until almost 11. We did about 30 mins of stretching and about 110 of us were split into 4 groups for 4 stations. It was about...35 degress this morning?

Around here, we were told by the LB coach that they already had in invitation only tryout a few weeks ago and they pretty much got what they need at all the skill positions and needed LBs and linemen, desperately. Also, skuttlebutt was that Coach was at Baltimore last year and brought some of his best players down here. League rules state that 9 players have to be within 150 miles of the club. Baltimore is just 30 or so miles away.

I started at the L Drill. The cones are in a L shape. Run to the corner, back to start, and around the corner, do a figure 8 around the end cone and back to start. I did about a 7.3. The fast guys were pulling 4.5s.

Around this time we noticed former Redskin PR/KR/HB/and some time passer Bryan Mitchell on the field watching things. There had been some cameras filming the tryouts. We all guess we'll be on ComcastSportsnet tonight. I am the Asian guy. Also, the only man with long hair. There was one Hispanic guy and 3 white dudes too.

The next station was a shuttle. I think it was a 10 yard shuttle because I did it in 5.3. Start at the middle cone, run to one side, run to the other end, and back to middle.

Next was the 40 yard dash and I was happy with my best time of 6.3. I think 2 guys made 4.5.

Last was the standing long jump. For 315, 6.5 feet ain't too bad.

At this time, we were split up into QBs, Receivers (including HBs), LBs, DBs, and linemen. There were 4 OL, and 10 DL.

The coach made it clear, the linemen were playing both ways, so there were 14 players going for 3 starting jobs.

The OL/DL one-on-ones were Guards vs DEs and I had to show an outside rush. I was crushed by this 6'3 400 lb dude who needs to trim his nails because I have 3 chunks of skin missing from my right shoulder and a layer of skin missing on the tat on my left. Everyone got about 3 chances to show what they had and I just got pushed around like it was Batista vs Hornswaggle.

In the end, he kept 5 people and sent the rest of us home at 2. He kept around 4 of each position so it was trimmed down from 110 or so to about 25-30. Coach said to keep an eye out on the website to see if any of us are invited back because he doesn't need a final roster until 2/23.

It was SO cool to stand right next to Bryan Mitchell and be on the field at RFK, the home stadium of the Skins for so long. I saw a Nats and DC United game near the front row, but being on the grass was so worth the $65 alone.

I was surprised about one DL that got cut. He was built like a 5'10 Bobby Lashley but like me, he had zero experience at the position. He wanted to play LB but was told he wasn't big enough. I think he could do a few reps at 500lbs because he had biceps and triceps that put Hulk Hogans to shame.

Oh well, I'll just check the site and see if they get desperate. I knew my inexperience would be the death of me. I couldn't rip, swim, or break that block at all. And, no, there was no inside pass rushing because only one LB can blitz in this league and they have to do it between 2 OL so if you rush wide, you open a gap for them to run through.

There's always the flag football league I was invited to join...




-- 2006 Time magazine Person of the Year --

"...Oh, the band is out on the field!! He's gonna go into the end zone! He's gone into the end zone!!
-- Joe Starkey -- November 20, 1982 -- The Play --
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