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Since: 24.3.02
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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.59
First time I've ever gotten a *real* virus. I know enough to not say yes to anything I don't recognize. This just happened without any notice. I found a link to what it must be. http://techrepublic.com.com/5100-6264-5440656.html . I got it from a pop-up ad. Avast Antivirus noticed it right away, but it immediately started overwriting system files (as well as the antivirus files themselves). I had to shut down my computer immediately in order to keep it from spreading. Now I just hope it found it all. Oh, the website says that SP2 isn't vulnerable, but that must be crap, because I have SP2 installed, and I still got it. I tell you Guru, Firefox is looking better all the time.



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Dont post the link!! We'll all get infected!!! WE'RE DOOMED!!

Seriously though, firefox is the way to go.
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While it's great to see all this love for Firefox, and it's even better to see a viable alternative to IE, who's to say that FireFox can't or won't get afflicted with these same problems? There can and will be exploitable flaws and holes in the programming, much like IE has.



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Yes, but isn't a theoretical risk less than an actual risk?



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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.87
    Originally posted by Guru Zim
    Yes, but isn't a theoretical risk less than an actual risk?
I dunno, my man...a risk is a risk either way. I have both FireFox and IE on my system. While I like FireFox, it slows my system down, so I'm using IE predominantly.

When thinking of risk, it could be like comparing skydiving to crossing the street; there's risk involved in either activity. One may seem to be of a lesser degree than the other, but it does exist.

Such is with IE and other browsers. I'm certain there are people out there who are trying to find flaws in FireFox's programming, and will exploit those. Now, how quickly the Mozilla people will respond...that's a good question.



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    Originally posted by SOK
    While it's great to see all this love for Firefox, and it's even better to see a viable alternative to IE, who's to say that FireFox can't or won't get afflicted with these same problems? There can and will be exploitable flaws and holes in the programming, much like IE has.


Yes. There already have been, in fact. But you'll notice that these flaws were all dealt with in a timely and public manner. Contrast this with Microsoft's more than occasional tendency to "sit on" information until someone outs the flaw publicly, either via public announcement and proof-of-concept code or, more insidiously, via an actual exploit.

Software is the product of human minds and tends to be imperfect. The Firefox team has never claimed that there are no holes in their software; they've only claimed that when holes are found they will be publicized and closed as soon as possible without regard for potential loss of market share. This is obviously an easy path to take when your market share is tiny, but thus far their record can speak for itself, especially in contrast to that of the competition.

In short, nobody can afford to be naive--expect there to be holes in your software no matter what you run. But maybe it makes some sense to choose your software not always on feature-set or compatibility but the mindset and goals of those who write and maintain it, i.e. those who won't sell your heart to the junkman for a buck (apologies to Tom Waits).

And always remember that the only truly secure computer is one that is locked in a bank vault, not connected to any other computers, and powered off.



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Since: 9.12.01
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Let's put it this way.

This weekend, a major site - TheRegister.com - was compromised and was serving viruses to IE users (So said Slashdot last night).

That site is linked off of Fark.com and Slashdot.org pretty regularly. The Register was supposedly compromised via the banner ad provider that it used.

That seems like a very bad thing to me. There are other exploits out right now which also affect XP SP2 and do not have a fix.

This is not a "struck by lightning" chance. It's more like russian roulette.

There are people trying to find the flaws in FireFox - but there are people who have found the flaws in IE. I'd rather use (and recommend the use of) the one that is not already seriously compromised.



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More info on the current issue:

http://isc.sans.org/diary.php?date=2004-11-20




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Since: 2.1.02
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.58
    Originally posted by SOK
      Originally posted by Guru Zim
      Yes, but isn't a theoretical risk less than an actual risk?
    When thinking of risk, it could be like comparing skydiving to crossing the street; there's risk involved in either activity. One may seem to be of a lesser degree than the other, but it does exist.

    Such is with IE and other browsers. I'm certain there are people out there who are trying to find flaws in FireFox's programming, and will exploit those. Now, how quickly the Mozilla people will respond...that's a good question.


Honestly I think your example is wrong. You're in the plane, you're going skydiving (going on the internet). You have a choice. You can choose between the parachute where the "known" holes are fairly substantial (and there may still be hidden flaws) or between a parachute where there are less "known" holes (but there still may be some hiding). Which are you going to choose?

Oh btw, the other thing is with the second choice, they'll tell you what the possible holes are: (mozilla.org) There have been enough reports with Microsoft knowing about bugs they haven't reported to make me leary of any list they publish (and honestly I haven't seen them provide a list).

Lastly, they are making improvements to the second parachute to make it more comfortable to sky-dive with. Name the last "feature" added to IE?

While we're on security, right now if you're running IE, you need to be certain you have SP2 (or have some form of adblocking) installed or you're endanger anytime you go to a site where there is advertising. Bad Banner Ads (lurhq.com)

Got beat to the last part of this. :)

(edited by SirBubNorm on 22.11.04 1502)


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Since: 11.12.01
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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.32

I'm still using the newer Netscape with Mozilla, has anyone heard any vulnerabilities there?




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Since: 2.1.02
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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.41

I also got a new variation of the W.32 virus over the weekend, which was infecting my email. I got a patch from symantec.



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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.58
    Originally posted by Eddie Famous
    I'm still using the newer Netscape with Mozilla, has anyone heard any vulnerabilities there?



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Blugh. Netscape is just as bad as Microsoft at hiding this stuff. This (wp.netscape.com) hardly looks like the same list of issues as above.

One other thing to keep in mind about Netscape is that it usually is a revision or two behind the main Mozilla branch, and does not follow the main Mozilla branch (Netscape 7.2 uses Mozilla 1.7x for it's main code base) after releasing. The reason this is important is that it means if there is a security issue, Netscape is usually slower about addressing it.



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Mr. Boffo
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Since: 24.3.02
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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.29
    Originally posted by thefraserman
    Dont post the link!! We'll all get infected!!! WE'RE DOOMED!!

    Seriously though, firefox is the way to go.

Mine was the same way as the link from Guru said. A banner ad that I could tell immediately was doing something inappropriate.

And just to show my nerdiness, I play Runescape. I don't know if anyone's heard of it. The site I was at was a tips site for it.



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