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#1 Posted on
Holy shit, would you look at all those buildings going up in smoke!

And, they say that this isnt "full throttle" yet.

Please Saddam, for everybody's sake, if you are still alive, surrender or run to Bahrain and take asylum.

You dont want the FULL THROTTLE effect raining down on your head.
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How much longer do we have to keep pretending that we're doing everything in our power not to kill innocent civilians? It's gotta be hard for Rumsfeld to say that with a straight face, huh?



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Be realistic. Carpet bombing the entire city into rubble would be going after civilians. That ain't happening.

Look, I realize that you are against the war, and that you don't like Bush. We'll all grant you that.

Just please try to not make stuff up that isn't happening.

Look, they still have power there. I'm sorry, but you lose power in a stiff wind in some parts of this country. If you really think we are being all that reckless and wanton, explain to me how the power lines, let alone the power plants are still standing.

Get real.



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Despite my fervent anti-war stance, I have to agree with what Guru said. It looks like they are trying as best they can, at least where the cameras are able to see things, to avoid civilian casualties. I worry about what's going to happen when the ground force gets there though.



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Its really amazing to me how we can bring so much force with so much precision. It almost unfair that we have so much power. But war is war, and we have to win decisively.

And OFB I wish I could convey to you what great steps and pains the military planners are taking to reduce civilian casualty and hardship, even while we pound Baghdad. They dont want civilians harmed, not because its a political thing or because it doenst look good on tv. They do because its the right thing to do, Soldiers dont want to kill civilians. Yes there will be some innocents killed, in the bombing and all the upcoming ground battles. But thats almost unavoidable. But Our soldiers arent a bloodthirsty horde rolling across the desert. They are carrying just as much food, medicine and diapers as they are bombs and bullets.

I have a friend in the 82nd Airborne, his wife just sent him a package that she hopes hell be able to get when the fighting is over. You know whats in it? He asked for candy because he wants to be able to hand it out to Iraqi kids like they did in WWII.
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#6 Posted on
Too much of the world has access to the images of Baghdad for them not to be taking every single precaution to ensure they are not hitting civilian targets.

I suspect the Iraqi plan would be to bring the forces deeper into the country and then conduct a guerilla war and bog them down.



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#7 Posted on

    Originally posted by rockdotcom_2.0
    Its really amazing to me how we can bring so much force with so much precision. It almost unfair that we have so much power. But war is war, and we have to win decisively.


Well I guess when the United Nations tell them to disarm and they had to get rid of a lot of their weapons of mass destruction (or defense), it sure makes it easier pickings for a country to independently roll all over them, doesn't it?

Let's see if any other country falls for THAT one again.





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Don't think Iraq "fell for it" (sarcasm off). They sure came up with some Scud missiles pretty damned fast- If you recall, they signed a document saying that they destroyed ALL of them.

Considering that the whole reason we are attacking Iraq stems from the fact that they REFUSED to disarm... Nothing like blindly ignoring the facts of the matter, and completely ignoring the reason they were required to disarm in the first place...




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#9 Posted on

    Well I guess when the United Nations tell them to disarm and they had to get rid of a lot of their weapons of mass destruction (or defense), it sure makes it easier pickings for a country to independently roll all over them, doesn't it?

    Let's see if any other country falls for THAT one again.




Well, they DIDNT get rid of them, thats part of the reason we are there right now.

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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.29

    Originally posted by OlFuzzyBastard
    How much longer do we have to keep pretending that we're doing everything in our power not to kill innocent civilians? It's gotta be hard for Rumsfeld to say that with a straight face, huh?

Guru got this one right. If we were trying to kill inocent civilians the entire place would look like Dresden. Instead, only military targets are being decimated.

The problem that peaceniks don't want to address in blaming the US for civilian deaths is the fact that Iraq is using civilians as human shields.



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#11 Posted on

    Originally posted by Grimis

      Originally posted by OlFuzzyBastard
      How much longer do we have to keep pretending that we're doing everything in our power not to kill innocent civilians? It's gotta be hard for Rumsfeld to say that with a straight face, huh?

    Guru got this one right. If we were trying to kill inocent civilians the entire place would look like Dresden. Instead, only military targets are being decimated.

    The problem that peaceniks don't want to address in blaming the US for civilian deaths is the fact that Iraq is using civilians as human shields.






This is where I completely disagree with the strategy for this war. Iraqi TV should have been blown off the air on night 1. Baghdad should be pitch black. All of this 'we really don't want to hurt you' crap only puts our soldiers in more danger. Use the bombs away strategy and show the Iraqi military we are fighting to win, and perhaps the coup happens even quicker. Half measures always lead to disaster.



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I agree with ya on that part. If you cut power to the people, the people realize that it's the regieme's fault that they have no power or water and they revolt. By cutting off the flow of everything, they'd get civilians to either revolt or leave...and presumably return after the war. I mean...you can't be used as a human shield if you're not in the country.



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#13 Posted on

    Originally posted by Freeway420
    I agree with ya on that part. If you cut power to the people, the people realize that it's the regieme's fault that they have no power or water and they revolt. By cutting off the flow of everything, they'd get civilians to either revolt or leave...and presumably return after the war. I mean...you can't be used as a human shield if you're not in the country.




Well you have to realize, whatever we destroy in Iraq in regards to infrastructure will have to be rebuilt later by us. So we cant decimate the entire country. We just want Saddam and his cronies. Plus you probably wont see the civilians revolt anyway. They are just too afraid of Saddam. If anybody is going to revolt it has to be the military and senior leadership.
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