My question is, where were these "human sheilds" when Sadaam was gassing the Kurds, or mowing down the Shiites with his attack helicopters? I guess it is expected that I would be "Anti-Anti War Folks." But I really am not. If you want to protest war, or something to that affect- great! My only qualm is "consistancy." I think, more than anything, the war protests that are going on of late are not-so-much anti-war, as anti-Bush. Protesting is nothing more than a fad anymore, and while they have the right to do it, there is no meaning left in it. These "human sheilds" are the same way. It just drives me nuts when these people pour out of the woodwork whenever the U.S. rattles its sabres, but when we are attacked by terrorists, or when Sadaam fires on our planes, or when some suicide bomber kills a bunch of Israeli children, these are the same people that start spouting how we need to "understand these people!" and how the murder of innocent civilians is "OK," but if we even so much as threaten to make war on a tyrant (we being more careful to target only MILITARY targets than any other nation on this planet) we are suddely the villians. At least Greenpeace, and similar organizations are consistant. These people are just doing this because it is fashionable to be "anti-American."
So if we bomb the hell out of Iraq, we can potentially kill a bunch of anti-American Communists? Sounds like a Win-Win scenario to me. The world should thank us if we help cleanse it of some of that Euro-trash
It's really not so much about being "anti-American" as it is about being "anti-Power." The knee-jerk reaction isn't "America=bad," it's "Power=bad." Of course, conversly, "no power=good." Now, America happens to be the big power in the world right now, so there you go. It also explains the anti-Israel bias.
It's perhaps a distinction of little practicality, but in terms of understanding these folks and there mentality, it's critical. As long as America has all the clout, they will think it's their duty to try and keep us in check as much as they can, not matter what we do. If Zimbabwe had all the clout, they'd protest Zimbabwe.
In short, they are more concerned with the distribution and exercise of world power than how this power is used. Strange to you and me perhaps, but it is a consistant (if misguided in my opinion) philosophy.
I think, more than anything, the war protests that are going on of late are not-so-much anti-war, as anti-Bush
I'm all for this, as I'm a lot more anti-Bush than anti-War. If this whole thing was actually an anti-Bush protest I'd be on the front lines.
Also, please tell me you are talking about the Europeans when you say it's "just a fad" to be "Anti-American." Because if you're talking about in the U.S. that's just ridiculous. And anyway, that's a really cheap argument. I mean, you don't see me saying "people are flying all these American flags for no other reason than because it's fashionable to be patriotic right now," even though that's a whole lot closer to the mark than college kids going to "fashionable" anti-war rallies. If you disagree with these people and their ideas and stances, fine, but saying "they're only doing it to be cool" is just a cheap way of getting out of having to back up your refutations of their ideas and stances.
And the whole Human Shields thing as "just a fad?" I've never seen anyone travel to a desolate foreign country at their own expense and risk their life in order to be able to wear hip-huggers. Give these guys a little credit that they do what they do out of conviction and concience, even if you happen to think it's silly. I give credit to people who risk their lives by joining the Armed Forces credit that they are doing so out of conviction and concience. I don't dismiss their decision as "a fad," even if I happen to think it's a bad decision (which I don't).
It is possible to disagree with you and take action on it without being brainwashed by Alec Baldwin you know.
(edited by MoeGates on 21.1.03 1800)
(edited by MoeGates on 21.1.03 1807) It seems that I am - in no particular order - Zack Morris, John Adams, a Siren, Aphrodite, Cletus the Slack Jawed Yokel, Amy-Wynn Pastor, Hydrogen, Spider-Man, and Boston.
So, no thread? Is this the start of the mass war that ISIS has promised? Is France and Russia really doing all the heavy lifting to knock these guys out? How long until we have an attack on our shores?