wrestlemania changed a lot of people's views of him. it did mine. his performance there seemed so genuine, which all of his wcw performances i've seen didn't. after the match he came off very humble, which is something i don't think i've ever seen him as.
It's just you against the group mind. I like weiners.
Actually, I daresay both men came off looking very humble after the match at WrestleMania.
Right after he lost to The Rock, Hogan looked more forlorn than I think I've ever seen him, right before he shook The Rock's hand. And you could tell he was getting a rush hearing the Hulkamaniacs again.
And as Rock and Hogan stood together on the stage, Hogan rose Rock's hand and pointed to him, saying “He's the man.” Rock shook his head-- how many times have we ever seen The Rock seem humble?
That match did a lot to raise my opinion of both men, in all honesty. As long as Hogan doesn't have creative control and he plays by the rules, I think having him in the WWF can only be a good thing. I challenge Van Snoot to find anyone who bought WrestleMania not looking forward to seeing The Rock vs. Hollywood Hogan. That's actually the match that bought the show for me, despite its “suck potential”.
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--Jules Winnfield (Samuel L. Jackson), Pulp Fiction
The only problem i ever had with hollywood hogan was the length of his interviews... his gimmick as hollywood was good, he was over with the crowds.... and sometimes he's just fun to watch. So my opinion didn't change... i just hope they dont ram him down our throats forever. I'm all for him having a farewell run.
I am the JOBBER TO THE STARS. You better remember that.
I've always thought of Hogan as someone who always made the other guy look great, I mean it, as a kid I always remember thinking "OH god the Hulkster is going to destroyed this time" He made every fat untalented guy look strong and an even match.
I dig Hollywood, the hendrix music, the feather boa. I think he pulls off old man trying to act young better then anyone brotherrrr.
The last month or so only 1 Triple H really entertained me and that is HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN and not hunter what's his name
Originally posted by Net Hack SlasherI've always thought of Hogan as someone who always made the other guy look great, I mean it, as a kid I always remember thinking "OH god the Hulkster is going to destroyed this time" He made every fat untalented guy look strong and an even match.
How much of that was because he knew he would get to win anyway in the end?
I will admit that Hogan has *apparently* changed his attitude. But I don't know how he could suddenly completely change his personality and put his ego aside. Watching him on Regis, he was funny and himble on the outside, but I can't help but think it is not because he really thinks the Rock is "the greatest," but because he knows his WCW shit won't fly anymore and he has to at least pretend to care about other wrestlers if he expects a good going away run at the top.
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Caring is the first step towards disappointment.
I've yet to see any reason to jump on the Hogan bandwagon. Nothing about him has improved except his opponets. He's still old, slow and I've yet to see him cut an interesting promo. If nothing else he's just clogging up the mainevent picture so the WWF can cash in on some much needed buy rates. He's done nothing different in his latest WWF stint. As a matter of fact I'm surprised that his act didn't just flop on arrival.
My Thoughts on Hulk Hogan A post that could turn into mindless drivel at some point. By BobHollySTILLRules
Okay, I'm going to break it down for you. From 1991-1995 Hulk Hogan was the man. I didn't care what anyone did, what anyone said, Hogan could beat ANYBODY. I always thought that way, I just liked the guy, no matter what. Then something changed, there's not even a real reason, I just started not liking him (I can't say hate, because I didn't...yet). He got boring...then came the nWo turn, shocked me, suddenly he was enjoyable again. That lasted for about 3 months for me. Then I didn't like him again. Over the next few years I would begin to dislike Hogan more and more because I thought he was boring, I didn't care about his supposed backstage power (I wasn't there, so I'm not going to say he definitely had it) or anything else. He hit a new low for me when he turned into "FUNB" Terry Bollea. That was awful, flat-out horrible. Then came the Bash at the Beach, the one night that over time would change my opinion on Hulk Hogan once and for all. At first, I thought Jarrett lying down for him was great, hilarious, flat-out classic. But, over time, it became quite clear that it was also stupid as hell. I can't side with Vince Russo on this one. Sure, Hogan pulled his "creative control" card, but Russo turned around and embarrased him on national television (well, PPV). And guess what? No one cared. Let's look back at Bret Hart (circa 1997) he wouldn't job the belt in his home country all that nonsense. What was he doing (gasp) pulling creative control! So Vince went out and he took the title from him, but he didn't make it so obvious that you couldn't at least think it was part of the show. Russo pretty much did the exact same thing to Hogan, but he made it obvious as hell. And yet most people stick up for Hart and no one does for Hogan. And why? Because (allegedly) Bret Hart is a good guy and Hulk Hogan is the evil spawn of satan. But, if you look at it, Hart was trying not to drop his title (a move BAD for business) and Hogan was trying to win a title, which you can't really say would be bad for business. Jeff Jarrett couldn't carry that company (proven) and the fact is there is no way business would have gotten any worse with Hogan at the top instead of Jarrett and I will argue that it would have gotten better, not much better, but better. Anyway, the more I thought about this, the more I decided that Hogan wasn't in the wrong here, Russo was. I like Jeff Jarrett, but you can't aruge that he would have been a better champion that Hogan. It did lead to Booker getting the title, which was a good thing, but it still was wrong. Hogan then disappeared and, in my opinion, WAS humbled and he's come back with a new attitude, and even if it is false, who cares!? I mean the dude put Kane over for crying out loud, no one else would do that.
And I think you're fat. So how do you like me now?
But I don't know how he could suddenly completely change his personality and put his ego aside.
Perhaps dealing with a roster of guys he CAN put over as the future?
In the WCW, there were a couple of guys he could've/should've jobbed to - but none even remotely close to the level of a Rock, Steve Austin, Kurt Angle, or Triple H. No one. Scott Steiner could have benefitted from a win - but that's really about it.
In the WWF he has plenty of young, hungry guys who deserve that shot and Hogan probably is well aware of it.
I was frothing to go on and on about Hogan (completely original stance, I know) but BDL pretty much summed up what I wish was a more common opinion.
Hey, Rock SHOULDN'T be humble. He got over by "being cool" (yet not eating fruit), by being a dick, and by being, well, The Rock. He should be the shade of gray that drinks beers with Steve Austin (another reason to hate Hogan), yet still has the look in his eye when he passes him that he's going to be watching his back, looking out for a stunner. Right now, Rock is a big super-face playing second fiddle to his New Bestest Buddy, the one who TRIED TO KILL HIM.
Is that going to be a running joke by the WWF now? Guys who go out and fight other guys for titles, for the longing to win, to be the best- they should hate each other, right? But hey, if a guy goes to all the trouble of trying to kill you, you don't get mad- you just feel flattered! Fucking fuck.
My perspective on the WM match: it just plain sucked at worst, it sucked like the pre-main event on Raw matches suck at best. I'm certainly not going to deny that, decible-wise, it had some of the best heat that I've ever seen in a match. It was all misdirected, but that's another issue. (If ANYBODY should have gotten "face props that don't belong here" that night, it should have been the ones for God Of Canada Chris Jericho... ones that never came.)
It took, what, all of 2 crowds (the obvious and the next night's Raw) to ruin EVERYTHING the WWF most likely had planned with Hogan and Rock? ("Hey, he did try to murder Rock, but Canada LOVES him, so the two of them should stop fighting and start making out.") On the bright side, the match did give me all of 2 minutes to see some Rudo Dick Heel Rock, which was very cool, but totally not as enjoyable with my Urge To Kill Hosers: rising.
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Originally posted by UbermonkeysIt took, what, all of 2 crowds (the obvious and the next night's Raw) to ruin EVERYTHING the WWF most likely had planned with Hogan and Rock?
I think it started with the Chicago crowd, where the feud started. The crowd there was divided between the "Hogan" and "Rocky" chants, and some even cheered on Hogan during the first attack on The Rock (going as far as to counting "1-2-3" for the faux pin Hogan had on The Rock afterwards)! Don't forget the Raw before WM, where Hogan cleanly beat The Rock with the big boot/leg drop. The crowd went batshit over that. Remember, The Rock cut a promo prior to the match, saying to Hogan that half were going to cheer for him and half were going to cheer for The Rock. Of course it turned out to be a partisan Hogan crowd, but the WWF seemed to realize that Hogan was getting some strong face heat well before Toronto and Montreal. The post-match storyline was too calculated to be a last-minute ad-lib. Besides, what's wrong with the fans deciding the direction of a storyline?
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"Say 'what' again. SAY 'WHAT' AGAIN! I dare you, I double dare you, motherf--ker! Say 'what' one more goddamn time!" -- Samuel L. Jackson, Pulp Fiction (1994)
Originally posted by BobHollySTILLRulesLet's look back at Bret Hart (circa 1997) he wouldn't job the belt in his home country all that nonsense. What was he doing (gasp) pulling creative control! So Vince went out and he took the title from him, but he didn't make it so obvious that you couldn't at least think it was part of the show. Russo pretty much did the exact same thing to Hogan, but he made it obvious as hell. And yet most people stick up for Hart and no one does for Hogan. And why? Because (allegedly) Bret Hart is a good guy and Hulk Hogan is the evil spawn of satan. But, if you look at it, Hart was trying not to drop his title (a move BAD for business) and Hogan was trying to win a title, which you can't really say would be bad for business.
I've always said (to myself) that Vince and Bret were both to blame for the infamous Montreal PPV.
Bret should have dropped the title as he was asked to. Regardless of whether he didn't like HBK or not. And Vince should have been honest to him.
Yen, you're totally right about the face heat being there for Hogan before Canada. That said, while I don't like it, I'd be a lot more comfortable with a fairly even 50/50 split crowd for a Hogan/Rock feud than the shit north of the border.
It still makes the fans a bunch of shitty shit shitheads. (IMO.)
As for the fans deciding the direction of a storyline, hey, that's fine... WHEN THERE'S NOT AN ATTEMPTED MURDER INVOLVED.
It wasn't like there was a situation where Joe Average could look at things and see things as normal. Guy A tried to kill Guy B. Guy B is immensely loved by fans everywhere. So it makes Guy A not just popular, but popular enough to totally eclipse Guy B... and THEN have them become buddies, all because the fans are fucking MORONS? Fuck that. The WWF could have gone with Hogan as a face, but it was a stupid, dumbass move to make him pals with Rock.
Everyone blames the WWF for it's lack of continuity, well- WHOSE fault was it THIS time?
As for the Vehicular Manslaughter angle itself, the majority of people (excluding myself) watching seemed to really like it. It was "new" and "exciting" and other overused adjectives. I thought it was pretty damn cheesy, but for that moment, it took the NWO from Worthless And Annoying to just Annoying, since they were actually, you know, DOING SOMETHING. They're admittedly weak in the ring, especially compared to the group that WAS main eventing, but hey, if they were going to try to kill people, it lets them look stronger without actually wrestling, which is a good thing. Instead, they look like total bitches, and instead of murder, they're right back to the spraypaint.
Last thing- from a strictly business point of view, Hogan as a heel would be worth so much more to them. When the NWO talk first started, way before they came in, it seemed to me like part of the reasoning was that they were really lacking in strong heels. So they bring them in, and what do we have now? Hall and Nash look even more weak than they started, Hogan is now the (pretty much) top face in the company (which is doing damage, other than storyline-wise), and he's been replaced by X-Pac. (Write your own comment.)
Granted, the face turn and the draft got them away from the predictable Guy Leaves NWO, Guy Feuds With NWO, Rejoins In Two Months path of least resistance, but it leaves the NWO looking like total saps, because now they're going to feud with... Kane? When Austin joins the Raw roster, his money feud with Hogan has magically disappeared, and if he's going to fight them, he's only got feuds left with Nash (who is seemingly totally meaningless now) and X-Pac, and neither of those will do anything for him OR the WWF.
Basically, the fans shot the WWF in the foot, and instead of doing what's logical (my damage control would be Hogan as a tweener), they tried to be fan friendly, and what has it got them? A damaged Rock, no strong (or noteworthy) heels, and an apparent whole heap of trouble with the guy who brought them up and above what WCW was doing, enough to eventually put them out of business.
"Giving in to what fan heat demands" is not a substitute for "continutity". Although, I don't know what we expected from the WWF. I mean, at Survivor Series 2000, Triple H was almost killed by Steve Austin with a forklift, and 6 months later they were tag team champioms together. I guess this is a new pattern for the WWF.
Also, I never stood up for Bret Hart in the Montreal situation. He was an asshole, and Vince did what had to be done. Hogan's situation with Russo/Jarrett never got the coverage that Montreal did, but if Hogan refused to lose there, than he got what he deserved too.
I've never been a fan of Hogan. Back in the 80's my first exposure to wresting was a Hulk Hogan match. I found the whole thing incredibly stupid and I wondered who that idiot was who thought he was all that with his stupid posing. So I never watched the WWF (or the NWA) back then finding wrestling stupid and fake. I didn't start watching wrestling till 1996, and didn't watch with any regularity until 1998 when the Austin/McMahon feud hooked me.
With that said I have no problem with Hogan's role in the WWF at this time. If the fans are popping him, push him. Too often in the last year the WWF has gone against the wishes of the fan, and if the WWF wants to have the rating s they were getting back in 2000 then they better give the fans what they want. And judging from the ratings from the last 2 weeks they want Hogan & The Rock. So give them that...of course with the split I wouldn't be surprised to see Raw's ratings drop this monday without Hogan or Rock around.
Originally posted by Ubermonkeysthey tried to be fan friendly, and what has it got them? A damaged Rock
how the FUCK is rock damaged?
and for your "attempted murder" diatribe... the way i see it, rock brought hogan back to the side of light, justice and apple pie. in the storyline, hogan tried to take rock out and couldn't. then rock came back a week later and said - among other things - just bring it. his smackdown promo got to hogan, so he went against rock at mania without the nwo. when he was beaten, he realised that he wasn't the end all, be all and gave rock mad props. (right here, dwayne johnson broke character and had a "moment".) at raw, rock pointed out that the nwo were a bunch of dicks and hogan didn't need them and hulk agreed.
so basically, hogan realized he was wrong and became a good guy again. the crowd still likes it and they aren't canadian.
It's just you against the group mind. I like weiners.
Not everybody on here is completely against the way hogan is going at the moment. Now if they overexpose him in the next month then i might be calling for his head! Hogan in sm. doses is good... hogan all the time is bad.
I am the JOBBER TO THE STARS. You better remember that.
Once again , I am not a Hogan fan , but I'm definitely not a fan of people that are FULL OF SHIT like you Von Snoot !
You orginally posted this in the thread " Hogan at Owen Hart's Funeral etc "....
Originally posted by Professor Von Snoot Hulk Hogan had the audacity to show up at Owen Hart's funeral in costume whereas every other wrestler who attended dressed like normal people who were paying their last respects.
NO , HE DID NOT !
More images from Owen's funeral can be found here....http://www.gerweck.net/owensfuneral.htm to futher prove he did NOT show up at Owens funeral in costume .
Then people were calling for you to provide a source for this information , you came back with.....
Originally posted by Professor Von SnootYou want a source for the Owen Hart funeral data? The Wrestling Observer for one. But even more so, even before I read it there, I saw it myself, personally, on the news.
YOU SAW IT YOURSELF ON THE NEWS ?! Once again Von SNOOT... YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT !!!
Originally posted by Professor Von SnootOkay, so there are some intelligent people in here who see the light. You're not all stupid marks, thank God.
I think you are the only one looking like a stupid mark !
"Damnit Peggy , here I am trying to contain an outbreak and you're driving the monkey to the airport. " - Hank Hill
I'd say that it's (still) too soon to call it an abject failure. If nothing else, they got Matthews out of the deal, who, with some seasoning on Velocity, is the next Mike Tenay, for whatever that's worth to people who aren't me.