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Since: 4.1.02
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#21 Posted on
Whew. For a second there I thought the title of this thread was that Hogan HAS cancer.

And that would make me very, very sad, because I've been enjoying Hogan as of late.
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Since: 28.3.02
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#22 Posted on
Ugh! The pollution in here is terrible. Your brains have turned to mush. So Sean, the backrake is now the most electrifying move in sports entertainment, puh-leeze.

Hogan looks like he's getting beat up, huh? The guy can't sell moves. He's a slug. He needs talented opponents who know how to sell HIS moves to make him look good. Unfortunately McMahon always put him up against other slugs. Like John Tenta and King Kong Bundy. The Rock match was decent because Rock knows how to sell. If the Rock was, say, Kevin Nash or Scott Norton, it would have stank.

And freeway, if your childhood was based on Hulk Hogan then your childhood memories were damned long before I came along.

Yes, I unfortunately have seen Hogan's PPV matches. I'd like to forget them. And in regards to Hogan slamming Andre, "slam" is a great exaggeration of what Hogan did and anyone who has seen the tape damn well knows it. Anyone who says differently is either a WWF commentator or an idiot.





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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
Do you not know how big Andre was?.... It was probably all he could do to even attempt it... let alone go through it.... damn... andre was huge!



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#24 Posted on
I'll tell you what: A bodyslam requires BOTH guys working to make it look good, ESPECIALLY when the guy getting slammed is as big as Andre. Andre was dead weight and did not work with Hogan very well on that slam. Now, Andre's knees were absolute shit at this point and I think he deserves a lot of slack, but the fact remains, Hogan wasn't entirely to blame for the bad slam.





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Since: 4.1.02
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#25 Posted on
Snoot, you have some strong opinions but I don't think you should be damning us for having different ones.

Now I would like to forget your hatred for him for a second and try to discuss some things.

I agree. Hogan is not much of a wrestler.
But his over the top 80s superhero persona didn't call for that. The way his matches were built centered around the superhero vs supervillain idea.
The villain has the uperhand the hero comes back. It wasn't about moves. It was about the feel. And he was damn good in getting that vibe across, no matter if during the wrestling parts his enemy carried him or not.

Hogan's Hollywood persona was a total spoof of himself and he knew it. Hogan's WWF Hollywood persona even more.

Now that he is back to babyface Hogan I hope he gets his farewell tour and doesn't fuck up by milking it too much.

Backrake of doom the most electrifying move? Oh hell yeah!
But remember, until now that move was the people's elbow.
Something none of us consider a real wrestling move!
So to say that the newest 'damn this sucks as a wrestling move but we cheer anyways' hype is indeed the back rake.
In fact..its the only thing I always cheer about when I saw Hogan. It's the center of many myths created by me and my friends. It's the first move I do when I play wrestling games with Hogan.(while yelling Umph-chaa!)

Yes, Hogan has did many bad things but he was a big part of the popularity of wrestling in the last 2 decades.
Yes, Hogan looks out for himself and his friends and went too far. But that's what I would do too if given the chance.
As long as he didn't bring those buddies back again this time I can live with him being here.




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Since: 9.1.02
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#26 Posted on
I am amazed...I never thought I would see so many people *stick up* for Hulk freakin' Hogan.
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#27 Posted on
Hogan knows how to work a crowd, no question there, but the "best ever" at psychology? Please.

I know a lot of people who think the same way as the Prof, but I don't totally agree though I don't like Hogan's matches and never have--during the Hulkamania years I was just old enough to learn to appreciate wrestling ability and was a total Flair mark. I think a lot of fans who were kids back then have a critical blind spot when it comes to Hogan.

The 80s were a bizarro period, an abberation. Just about everything that was done with Hogan broke the rules of wrestling booking. I will agree that Hogan was bigger than wrestling. But that also meant that he wasn't really about wrestling at all. When they tried to recreate Hulkamania in the 90s, things were back to normal as far as those rules were concerned and it didn't work. Dominant face champions are bad for business--or at least, not as good as faces chasing heels for the gold.

What MIGHT work is a run with Hogan chasing the gold, and winning it in his final match. But an extended run as a face champion I think would be a stupid move...unless things got all screwy again, as they were in the 80s, and as they seemed to be for a brief moment at Wrestlemania.



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Since: 9.1.02
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#28 Posted on
I dont agree with all the Hogan bashing. Sorry, I just cant get on board. Ive said this before, the 10 year old kid inside me wont let me hate Hogan. The fact is you can hate Hogan all you want, not one thing is going to change. Hogan will go down as possibly the greatest of all time. The man who made wrestling what it is today. No matter how much some smarks hate it, Hogan is a legend, period. You can get as mad as you want, and curse loudly and write angry posts on this board and it wont change one damn thing. The only thing that matters is how loud the arena pops when Hogan enters. God forbid they go back to using "Real American" THAT will be the loudest pop you and I will EVER hear. So feel free to spend your life hating Hogan, Im just trying get my mom to mail me my "Wrestling Album"



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Since: 1.2.02
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#29 Posted on

    Originally posted by EastCoastAvenger
    Andre was dead weight and did not work with Hogan very well on that slam.

Too true. There was no way Hogan could have pressed Andre over his head (which Hogan sadly insists he DID) without Andre helping out a little. Getting the big guy up to shoulder height was pretty impressive.

But you know what this thread reminded me of? Lex Luger getting the nWo Giant (now Big Show) up in The Rack. Now THAT was impressive.
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Since: 4.1.02
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#30 Posted on
It's kind of intimidating when you actually study the mechanics and timing required for a "simple" bodyslam. Yeah, if you're strong enough you can just yank the guy up with no co-operation, but do it enough times and you're guaranteed to have a short career. You want a REALLY tough move to master? any variation of the Huracanrana. The first few times I tried that, I damn near broke my neck. Everyone else said I was nuts to even try one (I'm 6'5", 290) but I did, and I eventually got it right, even though it's still kinda ugly.



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#31 Posted on

Damn. My lower back went into spasms just thinking about it. The torque must be a bitch.
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Since: 4.1.02
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#32 Posted on
The torque from the slam or the rana? Yeah, it hurts like hell, and you don't make that mistake again. Well, I never did, at any rate. Ranas are evil for three reasons:

1)the initial jump: you miss this, and you've just earned the ECW "you fucked up!" chant because there is no hope for salvaging the spot. But overall, it's not too bad because you just fall on your ass and embarass yourself!

2)the backward swing, which has to be well timed, or you are in mortal danger. I'll let you imagine what can go wrong at this point. It's NEVER pretty, and it ALWAYS hurts. Scratch that: It hurts only if you remain conscious!

3)the all important participation from your "victim", aka the forward roll: If you're partner doesn't roll at the right time: Always ugly and potentially dangerous.

I'm being as general as possible so I don't take up too much space, but you get the idea. Mick was right, don't try these moves at home! Go to a reputable wrestling school and learn from an expert, and your chances of injury (while still present) are greatly reduced. Don't get me started on the mechanics of the bodyslam's cousin, the Gorilla/Military press! I think we've all seen at least one of these go wrong (Remember Mr. Ass almost killing Benoit by dropping him on his head? Or the time he dropped Hardcore Holly to the concrete floor?)



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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.87
There was no way Hogan could have pressed Andre over his head (which Hogan sadly insists he DID)

If you're referring to RAW where he said he did, you missed the Over The Top nature of the interview. Apparently Andre was 700 pounds as well.

I've never heard him state he slammed Andre over his head aside from that.




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#34 Posted on

    Originally posted by cfgb
    There was no way Hogan could have pressed Andre over his head (which Hogan sadly insists he DID)

    If you're referring to RAW where he said he did, you missed the Over The Top nature of the interview. Apparently Andre was 700 pounds as well.

    I've never heard him state he slammed Andre over his head aside from that.




Hogan has said before, that he pressed Andre above his head, in that "Off the Record" interview on ESPN. The same one where he all but announced that he was going back to WWF. He also said in that interview that when he slammed Andre he ripped all the muscles in his back. LOL... I think its kind of cool that he embellishes the story. Thats how legends grow.



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#35 Posted on
You think Hoagns intial slam on Anre was bad. Throughout the years i always thought it was good. He gets him all the way up int he air and brings him down raelly well. It wasnt as bad as any of Luers slams on Yokozuna's which were more like hip toss's like heenen put it at the time. AShmed Johnson's slams on Yoko were not really that good but i rember the one at Survivor Series 9 being not bad.



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#36 Posted on

    Originally posted by WTF13
    Hogan knows how to work a crowd, no question there, but the "best ever" at psychology? Please.

    I know a lot of people who think the same way as the Prof, but I don't totally agree though I don't like Hogan's matches and never have--during the Hulkamania years I was just old enough to learn to appreciate wrestling ability and was a total Flair mark. I think a lot of fans who were kids back then have a critical blind spot when it comes to Hogan.

    The 80s were a bizarro period, an abberation. Just about everything that was done with Hogan broke the rules of wrestling booking. I will agree that Hogan was bigger than wrestling. But that also meant that he wasn't really about wrestling at all. When they tried to recreate Hulkamania in the 90s, things were back to normal as far as those rules were concerned and it didn't work. Dominant face champions are bad for business--or at least, not as good as faces chasing heels for the gold.

    What MIGHT work is a run with Hogan chasing the gold, and winning it in his final match. But an extended run as a face champion I think would be a stupid move...unless things got all screwy again, as they were in the 80s, and as they seemed to be for a brief moment at Wrestlemania.



I don't know how true it is to say that a dominant (by which I assume you mean reign-length) babyface champion is an aberration of wrestling. I could be wrong, but I don't recall Bruno Sammartino being a heel, and he had a near 10-year run with the title. Bob Backlund's run was almost 5 years. I would say that the current trend...of which I mean the last decade or so...is to have no dominant title reigns by either faces or heels. Sure there are a handful of exceptions of extended title runs that last almost year, but its a mix now...a few months of face chasing heel, a few months of face fending off heels.

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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.42
I think now you can't look at things in terms of reign-length. Triple H's longest reign with the belt (early January to late April 2000) was shorter than Jericho's, but Triple H was one of the most dominant heels since Hogan's early heel days. A better way to look at it is that Triple H dominated the title scene with 4 shorter reigns for almost a year.

And things are different now then they were in the days of Samartino or even Hogan and Backlund. With weekly title matches now on television for the world to see, a face champion would get quite repeptitive. Heels have infinitew things they can do to get heat, but babyfaces are all about sticking to a formula. Back when Bruno S. was champ, this was fine because we didn't have everyone watching a title match every monday, it was only when a WW(W)F house show came to town. And Hogan had the advantage of never defending the belt, so it was the same situation really. Champions today must face the challenge of finding new things to do each week to avoid growing stale or predictable.



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#38 Posted on
Bruno Sammartino was like Captain America back then...everyone loved him, so he kept the belt for a long time. Now, with more choices, people vary their love. I mean, Trips was a dominant heel champ, Jericho was a chickenshit heel champ, Stone Cold was the badass face champ, Rock was the Captain America face champ... It's all about the situations.



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#39 Posted on

    Originally posted by Mr Shh
    I am amazed...I never thought I would see so many people *stick up* for Hulk freakin' Hogan.


me too! I'm amazed that there are people who hated him in WCW, but now like him?....That is simply amazing...

To quote Scott Christ: in wrestling, he is "the biggest bastard to ever live".



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#40 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.42

    Originally posted by Addy

      Originally posted by Mr Shh
      I am amazed...I never thought I would see so many people *stick up* for Hulk freakin' Hogan.


    me too! I'm amazed that there are people who hated him in WCW, but now like him?....That is simply amazing...

    To quote Scott Christ: in wrestling, he is "the biggest bastard to ever live".



I am amazed that people who hated him when he came to the WWF last month who now seem to love him. This board's opinion of Hulk Hogan has done a 180.



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