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Since: 8.1.02
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#41 Posted on
Actually, Stacy did a much better job then she did sitting at the announcing table at Smackdown last week and playing a zombie from Resident Evil.

Ok, here's my official comments. The minute I heard what Stacy said as she opened the card, I knew that what spf predicted in the earlier thread came true. And I agree that this was an awesome move for the WWE and a huge uplift to the womens division which deserves this and which a growing number of fans *do* care about! First off, after watching Linda more closely last night, I have to admit that she flat out did deserve that contract. She worked so naturally in the ring and had the most natural talent and she was a shoe in. She could use a little more work on her promos and her look, but I think she will make a good heel, just because everyone finds her so damn annoying.

When it came down to Jackie, Jake, or Kenny, believe it or not but the most talented person who remained *was* Jackie! Sure, the huge fizzies didn't hurt her either, but Jake still seemed pretty green in the ring, and his promo ability SUCKED. Kenny looked better in the ring, but his promos sucked too, he didn't have that great of a look, and I agree that he did seem to lack some kind of intangible. So to me, Jackie was a natural choice, and an excellent one at that. You can tell that girl has a big heart and a lot of natural talent, especially in the acting department. (Sure she messed around on her boyfriend, but at least she felt really bad about it afterwards.) So I am now an official Jackie mark. It just waits to see if she will turn into a deer in the headlights when shes in the ring in front of a huge crowd, but I trust she won't.

One more thing: I absolutely no not agree that these women cannot be used in some meaningful way! Heres how I would do it: Put Linda on Smackdown. Make Ivory a face. Have Linda get into a "we repsect eachother so lets see what you have" match with Ivory, only to get vicious with Ivory during the match and become a hated heel. This would make a decent mini feud for awhile. You could do a lot more with Jackie, I think. Put her on RAW, have her get befriended by Trish and then have Jackie turn on Trish to join up with Molly or someone else who will help show her the ropes and help her take out Trish. OR have Jackie presented as another big baby face that TRISH gets jealous of and turns on, and we get a return of heel Trish vs. Jackie. Jackie gives her a run for her money but does not win the title.

In the end, this was a great move by the WWE and at least SHOWS us that they are perhaps trying to still be serious about the womens wrestling division. Whether or not they do follow through on this is another issue.

DMC





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Since: 27.2.02
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#42 Posted on

    Originally posted by Parts Unknown
    Then she asks if the winner is correct. I think she was trying to be her usual heelish secretary character when she asked, but I don't think the audience (me included) caught it immediately. I think she was trying to say, "Ugh...these chicks are gonna give me competition!" in character but it came off like "Are you sure? McMahon wants both of them and not Jake or Kenny?" She's an idiot.


I'm pretty sure all of that was scripted. They weren't trying to get over Stacy's character, they were trying to get over the drama of the situation-- how Jackie, the one who wanted it the most, (other than the Danimal, damn them!) was sure that she had lost, but--surprise!--we picked two women this time.

That's certainly the reason they announced the winners in the order they did... Unless the contestants were told the results ahead of time and were just acting, faking out Jackie like that for the sake of some cheap drama was an awfully mean thing to do. Oh, well, they're bound to run into worse once they're actually in the business; they may as well start developing thick skins.

As far as "Chisel" and Kenny go, they'd be fools to piss off Vince by jumping to some upstart promotion that probably won't go anywhere, anyway. There's no guarantee that a finalist won't reach the big show sooner than a winner. It seems likely we'll see Chris Harvard called up to the big time long before we'll ever see Nidia. They probably decided not to specifically state that one of the winners would be male and one female this time around because they would have preferred to have picked two of the guys last year.

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#43 Posted on

    Originally posted by asteroidboy
    (Nidia) was speaking with some sort of weird accent on the season finale... did she get a new nationality or something?
I was wondering about that too. That, and the fact that she said she did her first DIVA shoot, makes me wonder if they're getting ready bring her up...and put her in a program as Guerrerro's new girl.
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Since: 8.1.02
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#44 Posted on
Either that or make her some kind of jungle girl character who goes around biting people. She looks pretty trippy--how on earth did she win the first TE?

DMC



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Since: 1.2.02
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#45 Posted on

    Originally posted by DMC
    (re: Nidia) --how on earth did she win the first TE?

    DMC



and the follow-up question:

How on earth did Linda win THIS season?

Linda has an obnoxious personality, is broke-down ugly, and can't wrestle to point where she's a constant threat to hurt someone.

How the hell does that translate into first place?

Which proves that these days Tough Enough is played out for maximum dramatic effect ONLY and has nothing at all to do with wrestling. Maybe it did last year (and yes, the WWF did get lucky with Maven), but that was then and this is now.

Don't forget, MTV producers had a hand in both picking the cast and editing the show. That wasn't the case with the first season.

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Since: 23.1.02
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#46 Posted on
Wha? What do you mean MTV didn't have a hand in picking the cast and editing the show during the first season?? Now I'm confused.

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#47 Posted on
Interview with Al Snow from WWE.com:

WWE.com: Why was Linda chosen?
Snow: She has the personality, she has the drive, sheís obviously got the physicality to do it, and most importantly she has the passion.

WWE.com: What about Jackie?
Snow: She has all of those great strengths, but I think her heart stands out the most. Without heart and without passion for this business, you can have all the talent, the skill, the charisma, the physical athletic ability, but it wonít mean (anything). If you donít have heart, you donít have the passion, the drive, the desire that you absolutely have to do this, donít do it.

WWE.com: So how about two women winning? Most people didnít expect that, did they?
Snow: I donít think a lot of people did. I donít think that Jackie or Linda expected that two women were going to win. I know Jake and Kenny were definitely surprised. We go with what we see. In the future, Kenny and Jake can still pursue this. Just because it wasnít their time tonight doesnít mean it will never be their time. I encourage them to keep after it, pursue it, chase that dream and donít give up on it just because tonight wasnít their night.



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Since: 22.1.02
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#48 Posted on

    Originally posted by shea

      Originally posted by DMC
      (re: Nidia) --how on earth did she win the first TE?

      DMC



    and the follow-up question:

    How on earth did Linda win THIS season?

    Linda has an obnoxious personality, is broke-down ugly, and can't wrestle to point where she's a constant threat to hurt someone.

    How the hell does that translate into first place?

    Which proves that these days Tough Enough is played out for maximum dramatic effect ONLY and has nothing at all to do with wrestling. Maybe it did last year (and yes, the WWF did get lucky with Maven), but that was then and this is now.

    Don't forget, MTV producers had a hand in both picking the cast and editing the show. That wasn't the case with the first season.




I couldn't disagree more. Linda is hot and she seemed as comfortable in the ring as any of the others. But her arms seemed noticably bigger during the live feed at The World. She needs to stay away from having a bodybuilder's physique.

What are they planning to do with Nidia?? Can she be considered a bust at this point?
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Since: 2.1.02
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#49 Posted on
    Originally posted by Parts Unknown
    Stacy Keibler is a dumbass. First, she says Pete and Jackie had sex, making everyone in the place uncomfortable. Then she asks if the winner is correct. I think she was trying to be her usual heelish secretary character when she asked, but I don't think the audience (me included) caught it immediately. I think she was trying to say, "Ugh...these chicks are gonna give me competition!" in character but it came off like "Are you sure? McMahon wants both of them and not Jake or Kenny?" She's an idiot.
Stacy Keibler is a piece of ass, not a Spokesmodel (remember that category on Star Search?). I thought it was fairly obvious that she was reading a teleprompter off to her right. I severely doubt the WWE would put her out and expect her to improvise. She didn't say anything they didn't want her to say.

    Originally posted by asteroidboy
    What are they planning to do with Nidia?? Can she be considered a bust at this point?

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Since: 22.1.02
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#50 Posted on
I don't know why everyone is pissed at Stacey. All of her lines were obviously scripted to reinforce her bratty heel character.

... which come to think of it, she IS getting on my nerves. Typical WCW import. All flash, no substance. Except for that delightful Lance Storm.
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Since: 1.2.02
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#51 Posted on

    Originally posted by asteroidboy
    Linda is hot and she seemed as comfortable in the ring as any of the others.


Hot? Comfortable?

We must have been watching two different shows, dude, because the version of TE2 on my TV showed a girl who looked like Lavar Burton's brother and who NONE of the other contestants wanted to work with.

PS to Parts Unknown: I hope you weren't posting those Al Snow comments as any kind of insight into the truth of what went down in choosing the winners. His comments are a work to get the winners over, as in IT'S ALL BULLSH-- .....

oops .... got carried away ...
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#52 Posted on

    Originally posted by asteroidboy
    I don't know why everyone is pissed at Stacey. All of her lines were obviously scripted to reinforce her bratty heel character.

I'm not "pissed" at Stacy Keibler. I was just pointing out that, thought she might not be able to act, she didn't write her own lines or improvise her bit. I think Trish would have been a better choice, since she's a little better on the mic, but, oh well.

I don't really like the live format they've used to announce the winners. I think it would be a lot more polished if they taped it. I understand why they do it. They don't want Smarky McSmartfan to read it in the dirtsheets, but I think that if they just taped it 2-3 hours earlier, did a quickie edit job and broadcast the final show at it's regular time in a nice, cleaned-up format, it would look a lot nicer.



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Since: 22.1.02
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#53 Posted on

    Originally posted by shea

      Originally posted by asteroidboy
      Linda is hot and she seemed as comfortable in the ring as any of the others.


    Hot? Comfortable?

    We must have been watching two different shows, dude, because the version of TE2 on my TV showed a girl who looked like Lavar Burton's brother and who NONE of the other contestants wanted to work with.




Ha ha!! Lavar Burton's brother!! I don't agree, but that is gold.
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#54 Posted on

    Originally posted by asteroidboy
    Ha ha!! Lavar Burton's brother!! I don't agree, but that is gold.


feel free to use it .... my gift to you

By the way, do you find it odd that the show is called TOUGH Enough, yet the brats are pretty much spoiled rotten for 3 months?

They get to live in these huge houses, get to drive nice cars, take free trips to resorts ... free food, the best medical attention .... give me a friggin' break ....
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#55 Posted on
Which brings up the point that Jackie is probably going to need to be babied a little through the whole experience in order to get the maximum effect out of her. (GASP! special treatment!) She seems more genuinely into it than Linda does, but it still seems like she has a little bit of apprehension that she may not like doing this wrestling thing in the end. So I think she would need more extra encouragement. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if one of the girls drops out of the biz after just a few months.

Which brings me to Nidia--did anyone else get the feeling after watching her interview that she absolutely has NO desire to be in the wrestling business, and was basically some MTV viewer they grabbed off the street and told to pretend like she's a developing WWE talent? It helps make me wonder if any of these girls are ever going to make it.

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#56 Posted on
My feelings... Jake didn't get the TE duke because the trainers thought he'd be good enough to make it into the WWF on his own without the TE rub. And if that's the case, then they're right.

Just because the ladies won the contest officially doesn't mean the guys are through. I think all four of them are gonna get signed up.

I do agree with whoever said that Jackie's headed to Smackdown to be Vince's latest trophy, though...



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#57 Posted on
NWA may not last long, but right now the TE guys are as 'hot' as they're going to be, and would.. I imagine... not cost much money at all to sign. Throw them in tag matches with vets to hide their weaknesses but get their faces on the show, seems like a no-brainer. I mean, who else is out there for Jarret to sign?

A couple people started dissing women's wrestling... Must.. respect..opinions...contain...fury!

Like somebody said, Kudoh was the shit. So is Akira Hokuto. American women's wrestling is a joke, but it doesn't have to be. McMahon has the fans trained to see the women as breast support systems, and it will take awhile and some really good performances by the talent to 'deprogram' the fans, but it seems to slowly be working.

As far as the WW..E... signing Jake and Kenny.. Doesn't that make the Tough Enough competition a complete farce? I mean, all 4 finalists get contracts. All the drama of the final show would be for nothing.

PS Chris Harvard got some delicious heel heat last night, huh?
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#58 Posted on
Despite my dissapointment, I can see why the WWE chose both women. As many people have pointed out, the Women's Division is lacking. The WWE is hoping to build up the Women's Division and make it more respectable.



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#59 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.22
According to the advertisements, WWE Confidential will have an "expose" on the TE2 finals. This really makes me think that WWE worked the finals.

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