The W
Views: 97640423
Main | FAQ | Search: Y! / G | Calendar | Color chart | Log in for more!
24.7.14 1245
The W - Pro Wrestling - How long will this brand extension last?
This thread has 8 referrals leading to it
Register and log in to post!
Pages: 1 2 Next(13231 newer) Next thread | Previous thread
User
Post (23 total)
cobrawolf
Weisswurst








Since: 9.2.02
From: O'Fallon, MO

Since last post: 4493 days
Last activity: 4489 days
#1 Posted on
I've got really mixed feelings about this brand extension angle, especially since it involves the breaking up of the Dudleys and the APA. This also means we may not get the long anticipated Benoit-RVD showdown. I've got to wonder how long the WWF will make this angle last. I'm only going to say until King of the Ring. Hopefully, by then, we'll have a match with Flair vs. McMahon, with the winner getting 100% control of the WWF. Special referee: Mick Foley. Depending on if Foley would agree, of course.
Promote this thread!
The Vile One
Chourico








Since: 3.1.02

Since last post: 4354 days
Last activity: 4231 days
#2 Posted on
Judging by about the last year's worth of WCW...er...WWF's booking, I'm going to have to guess about...a week. Seriously though. I think it will fail miserably, but WWF will do it for about 4-6 months. Am I open to this angle being well booked and successful? Sure, but what has WWF done lately to make me think that, other than maybe the Jericho vs. Rock feud.




"It is a strange fate that we suffer so much fear and doubt over so small a thing...such a little thing."
-Boromir
Enojado Viento
Potato korv








Since: 12.3.02
From: Your Grocer's Freezer, NC

Since last post: 630 days
Last activity: 48 days
#3 Posted on
I think given the *weird* way the belts have been split (the World champ is available to both shows, but individual titles can be divvied up?) and the sharing of a single World Champ will cause this to crash and burn because there won't be ANY way to generate interest in a world title feud on the main even level because the champ will be flitting back and forth between both shows while his opponents on either side stay.

Likewise, with trades STILL going on and Vince showing up on RAW Monday to try to get Austin for Smackdown, there won't be a real clear picture of 2 separate rosters for a long while and by that time, even the fans who watched out of curiosity will have given up.

In all honesty, I'm not sure a real split has happened at all.





-LS
"I fight alone, but at least I'm gonna die."
The Vile One
Chourico








Since: 3.1.02

Since last post: 4354 days
Last activity: 4231 days
#4 Posted on
It hasn't really. Vince is still really in total control of both feds or is the "safety net" as HHH says, meaning he is THE filter of the WWF and has final say on everything. Both shows are still booked by the same, single booking group. And the WWF isn't even calling it a split anymore, its a brand extension. So if WWF wants it to be a brand extension, shouldn't we call it as such.

And as for trades "STILL going". Has RAW or Smackdown made any trades yet? I don't think so.




"It is a strange fate that we suffer so much fear and doubt over so small a thing...such a little thing."
-Boromir
Freeway
Scrapple








Since: 3.1.02
From: Calgary

Since last post: 214 days
Last activity: 185 days
#5 Posted on
Give it 'til Survivor Series, boyos....Vince'll find a way to screw this up by then... Remember, the InVasion started about this time last year, and was over by November, so why not this?



Holden: Judging by the buzz, that movie's gonna make some serious bank.
Jay: What buzz?
Holden: The internet buzz.
Jay: What the f*ck is the internet?
[Holden (Ben Affleck) & Jay (Jason Mewes) in Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back]
tigershark
Loukanika








Since: 2.3.02
From: St. Louis, Missouri

Since last post: 4493 days
Last activity: 4519 days
#6 Posted on
I totally agree from the beginning. Yes, the inVasion angle may have "started" after WrestleMania. But, in all actuality, it really started like after King of the Ring. This "brand extension" won't make it till Survivor Series. I think it should be over by King of the Ring. Then, things could get back to normal, such as:

* Hogan turning on The Rock, and rejoining the nWo.
* RVD getting a major push, and maybe even up to main event status, depending on how he does with Benoit.
* Jericho and Jazz joining the nWo.
* X-Pac feuding with Tajiri (by the way, they've officially renamed the Light Heavyweight title; it's now known as the Cruiserweight title).
* A Big inVasion main event: Triple H, Stone Cold, The Rock, RVD, and Trish Stratus vs. nWo (Hogan, Hall, Nash, Jericho, and Jazz).

OK, maybe that last one might sound a little bit far off, but, hey, I'll be glad when this "angle" is over. The WWF is going to fall flat on their faces if they do this for the long term. It could be the death of the WWF. I sincerely hope not.
dskillz
Landjager








Since: 2.1.02
From: Houston Texas

Since last post: 3109 days
Last activity: 2813 days
#7 Posted on
I am going to give it a shot. This has never been done and we don't know if it will work or not. I think it will work. It will make both shows must see TV since you only get to see your favorite stars once a week now. I am happy that the weekend shows are supposedly going to be more wrestling-based. So Heat will continue with good matches and I assume Excess will have more wrestling on the show as well.



January 4th 1999 - The day WCW injected itself with 10 gallons of Liquid Anthrax...AKA...The day Hogan "Defeated" Nash to win the WCW title in front of 40,000.
The Vile One
Chourico








Since: 3.1.02

Since last post: 4354 days
Last activity: 4231 days
#8 Posted on
As for Excess and the weekend shows becoming more wrestling based. I think if they were ever going to do that, they would have done it by now. And how are both shows must see TV? There is almost no one I want to see at all on RAW right now except for maybe RVD. RAW might get Stone Cold, but it is still an incredibly weak roster.




"It is a strange fate that we suffer so much fear and doubt over so small a thing...such a little thing."
-Boromir
cobrawolf
Weisswurst








Since: 9.2.02
From: O'Fallon, MO

Since last post: 4493 days
Last activity: 4489 days
#9 Posted on
I thought the booking year was supposed to begin at WrestleMania. This year, at WrestleMania, it felt like the booking year ended. That's why the WWF is going this route. They're going to fall flat on their faces. The WWF is supposed to be "a man's nighttime soap opera." That means what happens next is supposed to keep people on the edge of their seats. This is going to be ten times worse than the inVasion angle.
Notorious F.A.B.
Pepperoni








Since: 4.2.02
From: Dudleyville's Gay Ghetto

Since last post: 3935 days
Last activity: 3921 days
AIM:  
#10 Posted on
it's within reason to look at how the wwf handled the invasion and think they'll do an equally shitty job with the brand extension but i think you guys are forgetting one thing.

this is the last "high concept" angle the wwf has available to them. if they botch this, the only thing they have left is a deep, dark mirror to look into as the federation falls back to the level of the original raw broadcast and its one point something rating.

they have to make this work.

what's more, this has been planned much longer than the invasion was. and for the love people, it's too much of a cop out over-simplification to say "bad booking" ruined invasion, if for no other reason than saying that excuses the talent from any blame.

how is benoit / rvd "the long awaited feud"? maybe for the two guys who posted it but certainly not for the majority of the viewing audience. $5 says they haven't even thought of it.



It's just you against the group mind.
I like weiners.
A Fan
Liverwurst








Since: 3.1.02

Since last post: 3466 days
Last activity: 3466 days
#11 Posted on
I think we have to give this some more time than being given here, say a day. The WWF has done in my opinion a great job with the draft and splitting the company up, so far. I know the draft was a bomb on the internet and honestly, I don't know why. Maybe its because CRZ or the other net community thought it was boring. I thought it ruled. Actually, since Wrestlemania, the WWF has been doing a great job with storylines.

If you look at Raw, so called weak federation, you have Austin, Taker, Kane, RVD, NWO, Maven. Booker T and almost all the ECW/WCW guys. I expect a Booker T face turn soon or join the NWO to allow another mid-carder to jump ahead. I would also think, Raw will be the show where there will be more wrestling and less Sports Entertainment.

Smackdown will be sports entertainment, but will do more focus more on storylines. While, Smackdown may have the superstars, Raw should have be able to move guys up the ladder.

A Fan- Do not be to quick to judge when there is nothing to be judged.
Notorious F.A.B.
Pepperoni








Since: 4.2.02
From: Dudleyville's Gay Ghetto

Since last post: 3935 days
Last activity: 3921 days
AIM:  
#12 Posted on

    Originally posted by A Fan
    A Fan- Do not be to quick to judge when there is nothing to be judged.


amen, brother!

something else i think needs mentioning - flair has nearly all the titles. vince has the tag and cruiserweight belts. the world and women's champs are available to him, but he doesn't control those titles.

if a "balance of power" storyline surfaces, flair has a definite leg up on vince.



It's just you against the group mind.
I like weiners.
Y2Disco
Mettwurst








Since: 2.1.02
From: Pennsburg, PA

Since last post: 3720 days
Last activity: 3474 days
AIM:  
#13 Posted on
The way I see it, the rosters for the two shows are really just a foundation. Guys will move from show to show. They could easily move Benoit or RVD to the other show, and give you your "long awaited feud." All the split is really doing is giving more wrestlers more TV time to establish themselves.

The 'split' is a good idea. It's not going to kill the WWF.
That's Stephie's job.



"If you like to fight girls so much, why don't you meet me in the ring?"
-Jeff Hardy
EastCoastAvenger
Bockwurst








Since: 4.1.02
From: Clearwater, FL

Since last post: 1901 days
Last activity: 5 hours
#14 Posted on

    Originally posted by dskillz
    I am going to give it a shot. This has never been done and we don't know if it will work or not.



Remember the WBF? THe XFL? Those had never been done before either. Yeah, I'll give it a chance, like I've given them a chance with everything else, butI'm not too optimistic about this one. Then again, I'm a cynical S.O.B and Vince will probably make this work just to make all us cynics look like assholes. What the fluck, give it a couple months, if it doesn't meet our standards, boycott the WWF and invest in tapes of Japanese wrestling!



There are no facts-only observational postulates in an endlessly regenerative hodgepodge of predictions. Consensus reality requires a fixed frame of reference. In a multilevel, infinite universe, there can be no fixity; thus, no absolute consensus reality. In a relativistic universe, it appears impossible to test the reliability of any expert by requiring him to agree with another expert. Both can be correct, each in his own inertial system.

-Bene Gesserit Azhar Book
The Vile One
Chourico








Since: 3.1.02

Since last post: 4354 days
Last activity: 4231 days
#15 Posted on
Tigershark, Jericho weasled out of joining the NWO a few years ago, why would he join them now?

You know Notorius FAB, you say the WWF has to make this angle work. Well you know what, a lot of people were saying the same thing after the XFL with the upcoming "invasion" angle. And you know what? It didn't work. WWF tried everything they thought they needed to do, but it just didn't work. Maybe if they tried to give it a direction or a goal, or waited longer when they were actually ready to do it, it would've worked. But the angle people said Vince could never screw up, he screwed up. I once got heat on this board for bashing the Invasion a couple months in, I wonder what the people that bashed me thought a few months later.

A fan. I would hardly consider guys like Austin, Taker, Kane, the NWO, Maven, and Booker T that strong of a roster. I'll grant Maven might have some potential. But so far I've seen him do nothing but crap. Austin, I really don't think he has too much time left. And how often do we see Austin do a clean job to someone? Taker? Taker should've retired a long time ago. I'm sorry, because the guy just comes out and beats the crap out of some random opponent and whines about his yard or being undefeated at Mania or something. Taker doesn't really have a purpose anymore. If he would put over some talent other than himself he could have a reason to be there. And don't call his joke of a feud with Maven elevation, because it wasn't.

(edited by The Vile One on 31.3.02 2216)
"It is a strange fate that we suffer so much fear and doubt over so small a thing...such a little thing." -Boromir
Saruman
Salami








Since: 25.1.02
From: Kirksville, MO

Since last post: 4364 days
Last activity: 4335 days
AIM:  
#16 Posted on
Actually, the XFL had been done before: remember the USFL?
Anyway, I give the brand thinggy a week or so.
And, why couldn't they call them divisions, or federations, or something? The "brand extension" sounds SOOOO much like it's a simple marketing ploy (which it mostly is).



Insert clever comment.
Notorious F.A.B.
Pepperoni








Since: 4.2.02
From: Dudleyville's Gay Ghetto

Since last post: 3935 days
Last activity: 3921 days
AIM:  
#17 Posted on
the split isn't comperable with the invasion. the split is vince cleaving his own creation in two and the invasion was vince integrating someone else's creation into his own.

it certainly isn't comperable with the WBF or the XFL. this isn't starting another company and it isn't branching out beyond the company's area of expertise.

at this point, the only things i see working against it is raw's (perceived) weak roster and certain big names not working with one another.



It's just you against the group mind.
I like weiners.
The Vile One
Chourico








Since: 3.1.02

Since last post: 4354 days
Last activity: 4231 days
#18 Posted on
C'mon we all know Vince isn't cleaving anything. And even if it was, would you be contradicting yourself saying Vince isn't starting another company?




"It is a strange fate that we suffer so much fear and doubt over so small a thing...such a little thing."
-Boromir
Quezzy
Knackwurst








Since: 6.1.02
From: The Moon

Since last post: 2 days
Last activity: 2 days
AIM:  
#19 Posted on

    Originally posted by The Vile One
    As for Excess and the weekend shows becoming more wrestling based. I think if they were ever going to do that, they would have done it by now. And how are both shows must see TV? There is almost no one I want to see at all on RAW right now except for maybe RVD. RAW might get Stone Cold, but it is still an incredibly weak roster.


Oh that's right, EVERY wrestling fan likes all the same people as you so NOBODY will watch Raw.

I like the Smackdown roster better myself, but i'm willing to bet the marks like the Raw roster just as much. They have the nWo, Flair, Kane, RVD, Big Show who all get huge pops. Stone Cold will end up there, Eddy could be there tonight. Plus there is still Rey and possibly Steiner to put there too.


As for the wrestler with the World Title switching back and forth and not being able to feud with the same person all the time, that's not necessarily true, just because the World Title holder can be on both shows doesn't mean he will be on every show. He can feud with someone on Raw for one month and only be on once a week like everyone else, then the next month switch to someone on Smackdown. He doesn't have to be on EVERY Raw and EVERY Smackdown.

As for Tigershark's predictions after this angle doesn't work, this angle IS RVD's big push. This is guys like RVD, Storm, Raven, Benoit, Kane chance of getting more tv time and a good push. IF this whole thing does fail and they do go back to one program RVD will be way down the food chain once again and the push will be over.

I don't know what everyone is complaining about, when this whole brand extension rumor started everyone and their grandmother were saying they should split it up, one show sports entertainment and one show wrestling. And that's exactly what they've done. They put the interviewers (Stone Cold, nWo, Flair, possibly Raven) and the high spotters (Hardys, RVD) and the garbage hardcore wrestlers (Kane, Raven again, Dreamer) on Raw. And the technical wrestlers (Benoit, Storm, Christian, Helms) and the interviewers who can also wrestle (The Rock and Angle) on Smackdown. So the whole thing looks fine to me. So i'm not going to say it's doomed until I see for sure.



Lance's Response:

THAT IS AWESOME!
The Vile One
Chourico








Since: 3.1.02

Since last post: 4354 days
Last activity: 4231 days
#20 Posted on
Doesn't my opinion count at all to the WWF?(No, probably not.) You yourself say that Smackdown has a better roster. And a lot of the wrestlers you name on RAW might all get huge pops, but they still suck.




"It is a strange fate that we suffer so much fear and doubt over so small a thing...such a little thing."
-Boromir
Pages: 1 2 Next
Pages: 1 2 NextThread ahead: The best news EVER!
Next thread: A positive look at the future of Raw
Previous thread: Oh man.
(13231 newer) Next thread | Previous thread
I about woke my wife up from laughing so hard after I clicked that link. Speaking of whom, the comment I got from her when Kidman came out was "Is he wearing a codpiece under those trunks?"
- Mr Heel II, Kidman's Red Panties (2002)
The W - Pro Wrestling - How long will this brand extension last?Register and log in to post!

The W™ message board

ZimBoard
©2001-2014 Brothers Zim

This old hunk of junk rendered your page in 0.722 seconds.