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Liz
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I'm watching the match between WCW [Arn Anderson, Ric Flair, Lex Luger and THE MYSTERIOUS FOURTH PARTNER~!] and nWo [Hogan, Nash, Hall and THEIR MYSTERIOUS FOURTH PARTNER~!] and the commentators are calling it a War Games match. There are two rings set up in a steel cage and one man joins every two minutes. Unfortunately, I don't have the entire match and it ends just as WCW 4 LYFE STING!!11! walks out on his team.

My question is how exactly does it work? What purpose does the second ring serve? I thought perhaps one was a WCW ring and one was an nWo ring, but I think they're both marked with the WCW logo.

...also, who wins?

Thanks in advance.

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Random comment #2: Dusty was, too, but in that "Oh, my god, is he even trying to make sense? I think he's just rambling" way.

Random comment #3: Hogan possibly throws the most fucking horrible punches ever.

Random comment #4: Did Sting ever do anything besides the Stinger Splash? And his.. bulldog.. type.. thing was kind of weird.

Edited because grammar is our friend.

(edited by Liz on 7.2.05 1520)


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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.46
"What purpose does the second ring serve?"

Eventually you're going to have 8-10 guys in the match at the same time (there aren't eliminations and the match can't end until everyone's in), and you couldn't work spots with any kind of coherence in one ring, so you need extra room.

"...also, who wins?"

I think NWO Sting makes Luger submit to the NWO Scorpion Death Lock.
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Just to add to that, the idea behind War Games was to get one member to "submit or surrender" once everyone's in the ring. I don't think it had much to do with WCW or nWo, as the match always had a double-ring, well before there even WAS an nWo. Or WCW, for that matter....



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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.42
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    "What purpose does the second ring serve?"

    Eventually you're going to have 8-10 guys in the match at the same time (there aren't eliminations and the match can't end until everyone's in), and you couldn't work spots with any kind of coherence in one ring, so you need extra room.

    "...also, who wins?"

    I think NWO Sting makes Luger submit to the NWO Scorpion Death Lock.


On an unrelated note, for someone who wasn't watching WCW at the time, can you explain NWO Sting to me? Is that just referring to Sting as an NWO member or was it some fake Sting the NWO recruited or what?
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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.00
http://www.100megsfree4.com/wiawrestling/pages/wcw/nwohist.htm

The next member of the nWo appears when they debut a "Fake Sting" at Wargames, who wrestles ittermitently over the next few months until the original Fake Sting, now called "nWo Sting", goes to compete in Japan as part of their version of the nWo.



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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.46
That about covers it. IIRC, the nWo announced that Sting had joined the nWo. Everyone was like "yeah right! Sting is the essence of World Championship Wrestling! give me a break, the nWo." Then there was footage of Sting beating up Lex Luger in the parking lot. And everyone was like "oh god. this is the worst thing that has ever happened. Sting has joined the nWo."

And Sting was like "what? no I didn't." But no one believed him, because there was footage of Sting beating up Lex Luger. It was later revealed to have been a fake Sting, who was played by Jeff Farmer, who worked as special ops Cobra in 1995. But Real Sting took his wounded pride and went to live in the rafters for the next two years as a free agent. The nWo kept their nWo Sting anyway because they were 2 sweet.
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.65
My favourite part of WarGames was that the heel team ALWAYS won the coin toss to see which team would get the advantage. Oh, and my other favourite part was the LOADS OF BLOOD~~~!



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WarGames:The Match Beyond first commenced at the GAB '87 at the Omni in Atlanta on the 4th of July. Under the original format, it was 2 teams of 5, with a period system established, this was the WarGames portion. The first 2 men would fight for 5 minutes, with a coin toss used to see in which order the next wrestler would enter the enclosed double cage. The heels would miraculously win everytime. Thus, for a 2 minute period, the heels would have a man advantage. After 2 minutes, the faces would even the odds, and take control. After that, the heels would get the advantage only to lose it, until all 10 men(later 8) entered the ring. During this time period, the match could not end. A guy theoretically could die, and under the rules of the match, it must continue. Once all the men entered the ring, The Match Beyond would begin, under which the match could only end due to surrender or submission. From '87 thru '92, this format worked well, generally leading to a bloodbath and a great match. Beginning in '93, WarGames lost its excellence, whether through the Shockmaster being involved in '93, the crapfest that was '94, the Hogan influence of '95, '96 was actually good by comparison for the era, the stupidity of '97, and the utter bastardization of the WarGames concept in '98.
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Was the gimmick itself actually that good, or is it just that some of the matches were great.Is it better than, for example, the elimination chamber.



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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.53
    Originally posted by Weevil
    Was the gimmick itself actually that good, or is it just that some of the matches were great.Is it better than, for example, the elimination chamber.


It's actually pretty similar to Elimination Chamber, in the sense that there were multiple wrestlers in a caged environment, and that their entries were somewhat random.

I think nostalgia plays a part in it, and also the matches generally involved the top guys at the time (until the final few in WCW). They were decent matches, although I do remember one of the first War Games, and it involved The War Machine (Big Bossman) as a last minute substitute, and the match itself was boring as anything...



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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.92
Which was the WarGames where Road Warrior Hawk won by grabbing a heel by the head, dangling him by the neck, and making him submit? Was that the first one?


Also... Shapiro, your little recap was likewise 2 sweet.



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