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Since: 2.1.02

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Okay, I really do not understand how this works. How can an owner of one team [Expos] BUY another team [Marlins] than take the whole management to his new team [Marlins] and give up his old team[Expos]? I have yet to find a baseball column explaining this. Nothing about this seems right to me, and it probably isn't, but how does this work and where is the logic in it. The guy can't or isn't willing to even put together a good team as it is.
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Since: 2.1.02
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he's basically trading up to a better team/city

MLB wants to get rid of the expos...

the sox want to sell the team

expos owner buys the sox, basically moves his staff to the sox...and bascially the expos can goto hell for all he cares...but they will probably end up here, in DC...

Washington Expos??? nah...bring back the senators!!! so they can move in 15 years!!!! because baseball hates DC!!!

go O's!!!!



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Since: 12.1.02
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How about moving the Expos to Indianapolis? We've never had a major league team, EVER, as far as I know, and we've got a field (Victory Field) that has been called the best minor-league ballpark in the world.

Besides, if a team did move to Washington, it would interfere with the Baltimore Orioles' cash flow.

Of course, I would rather have a team that has been multi-time AAA champions (the Indianapolis Indians) than have the perenially sucky major-league Expos.



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Since: 2.1.02
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Does Razor Shines (I love that name) still work for the Indians?

When I lived there, I think he had moved from player to player-coach. But that was 10 years ago.





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a dc team wouldn't interfear with the O's because they're always talking about puting the stadium in VA...and there are many many VA baseball fans that refuse to drive to baltimore to watch a game...



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Since: 6.1.02
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I think the main thing really is that nobody cares about the Expos or Marlins enough to argue about everything they are doing.



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Originally posted by ekedolphin
Of course, I would rather have a team that has been multi-time AAA champions (the Indianapolis Indians) than have the perenially sucky major-league Expos.



One damn minute, Admiral. The Expos were the BEST team in baseball in 1994, and if it hadn't been for the strike, they'd have established a dynasty. Instead, the FUCKING league pisses all over Montreal and all the Montreal fans - so it's really not all that hard to blame them for never feeling the same way about the 'spos again.



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Since: 11.1.02
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true... you cant just continually piss all over a team and their fans.... and expect any of them to give a shit about baseball.... and the shame of it is--- there are a ton of fans up there... but none go to the games because they know baseball cares nothing about their team, city, or fans.... if i remember correctly they had some of the most energetic fans in the past.



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Since: 2.1.02
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Does Razor Shines (I love that name) still work for the Indians?

Best Baseball Name Ever! I looked him up on baseball-reference.com and was surprised he only played in the majors for one year. I only really knew of him because I have his 1986(?) Topps card.
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Since: 2.1.02
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One damn minute, Admiral. The Expos were the BEST team in baseball in 1994, and if it hadn't been for the strike, they'd have established a dynasty. Instead, the FUCKING league pisses all over Montreal and all the Montreal fans - so it's really not all that hard to blame them for never feeling the same way about the 'spos again.

Right on the money Zim...

My mother - a longtime diehard finally died hard following the 94 season. I don't think she's watched a game since.

My father was losing interest until it was sparked once again in 94. Once that was killed - he died too.

Now, these are NOT isolated incidents. Look at the attendance. I know baseball didn't go out of their way to strike just because the Expos were winning, but it sure feels like a conspiracy theory to the fans who suffered for so long to finally win - and have the Series cancelled for the first time in about a hundred years.

I'm not the world's biggest Expos fan, but just witnessing what has happened to the franchise since then has been really sad.

The nail in the coffin was Felipe Alou leaving not with a bang, but rather a whimper after so many years of service and working his ass off.




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CRZ, from the bottom of my heart... thank you. Nothing has aggravated me further than the years since '94, yet I stuck with the Expos through all of it, all the talent they gave away... and then they fired Alou. The entire situation is eerily reminiscent of "Major League" - the owner (in this case, MLB) wants to get rid of the team by putting a whole bunch of "bad" (in this case, prospects - except, of course, for Vlady, Vidro, and the AceOfTheMoment) players and a manager who's seen better days, hoping the team's going to can so they can get rid of it gracefully. Thank you, Jesse Ventura for standing up in Minnesota so they couldn't eliminate the Twins, and thus couldn't eliminate the Expos. I urge everyone here to back the Expos with all your heart - maybe if we can get enough people to back them, they won't be gone. Of course, that assumes that baseball listens to the fans, which we know better than to think.

I'm not sure what baseball is thinking with a possible move to DC - again. Hasn't DC bombed out twice already?

Eke, I would beg to differ with your estimation that Victory Field is the best park in the minor leagues - Autozone Park (home of the Memphis Redbirds) is quite nice in its own right, styled after the O's park.
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Since: 11.1.02
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The Expos would definitely have one of the best teams in the league, year in and year out, if they could just keep their players. I won't profess to know all the reasons behind this, but a short list I can think of right now-Randy Johnson, Pedro Martinez, Larry Walker, Moises Alou. Those are some big tmie names and some terrific players. This whole owner-switching thing has got me confused.



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Since: 11.12.01
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So the Expos get to move to the biggest major-league baseball failure of a city? How many chances is Washington going to get?



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i'm so confused.... first you want to eliminate the expos... then move them to a big market?.... wow...



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Since: 2.1.02
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yup, we have lost 2 teams here in DC...which are now the Minnasota Twins, and Houston Astos if my memory serves...



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Not quite. That would be the Minnesota Twins and the Texas Rangers.



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Originally posted by The Big Kat
The Expos would definitely have one of the best teams in the league, year in and year out, if they could just keep their players. I won't profess to know all the reasons behind this, but a short list I can think of right now-Randy Johnson, Pedro Martinez, Larry Walker, Moises Alou. Those are some big tmie names and some terrific players.



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Just to be fair, the Expos traded a young, wild Randy Johnson to the Mariners for their established ace, Mark Langston, in an actual attempt to improve the team right at that point. A classic 3-prospects-for-a-star trade, only one of the prospects turned out to be really, really good.
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See, it's not the 3-prospects-for-a-star trades I mind; the Expos could afford those. It's the 3-stars-for-a-prospect trades the Expos seem to love. Either that or they're trading the star away for the 3 prospects. It wouldn't be too bad, but they've been doing that for what, 4 or 5 years in a row now?
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Since: 2.1.02
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The Expos would definitely have one of the best teams in the league, year in and year out, if they could just keep their players. I won't profess to know all the reasons behind this, but a short list I can think of right now-Randy Johnson, Pedro Martinez, Larry Walker, Moises Alou. Those are some big tmie names and some terrific players. This whole owner-switching thing has got me confused.

Here's some active names that have passed through Montreal...

PITCHER
Fassero, Jeff
Hill, Ken
Johnson, Randy
Martinez, Pedro
Urbina, Ugueth
Vazquez, Javier
Wetteland, John

CATCHER
Fletcher, Darren

FIRST BASE
Segui, David

SECOND BASE
Lansing, Mike
Vidro, Jose

SHORTSTOP
Cordero, Wil
Grudzielanek, Mark

THIRD BASE
Berry, Shawn

OUTFIELD
Alou, Moises
Grissom, Marquis
Guerrero, Vladmir
Rodriguez, Henry
Walker, Larry
White, Rondell

This makes up one helluva ballclub. And I'm positive I'm forgetting several key names.




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Since: 11.12.01
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#20 Posted on

Ken Hill? Yuk.

Is Davey Martinez still active?



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