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I was thinking about how Bruno's record is unbreakable, and how Punk's reign compares to it. While doing this Ric Flair's name popped into my head.

Punk's was 434 days.

Ric's first run was 476.

Flair had ten runs with the NWA title for 3,101 days. From Sept. 17, 1981 to Sept. 13, 1993. Round up to Sept. 17 for a twelve year window. With leap years(1984,88,92) that is 4,383 days. Thats 70.7% of the time Flair was the champ.

Add in two WWF run for 3,219 days. Ups it to 73.4%.

Punk's first Heavy Weight Title reign was June 30,2008. He held that title three times for 180 days. The WWe Title twice for 462 days. Round up to June of this year makes 5 years. If Punk doesn't win any titles by then, it will only be 35% of the time he is champion.

John Cena has had a title 40% of the time sense April 3, 2005. Cena appears to be headed to another run this April.

Flair did it through the 80's into the 90's in two different companies. Respect to Bruno, Backlund and Thesz, but they were in the 50's, 60's and 70's. I think having a belt three whole years out of every four years is the more amazing feat.

Will Punk or Cena will have enough title reigns to equal Flair's run? Cena I can see. Punk might give up after his contract is up. Punk had done everything he's set out to do. If he ends the streak, I'd bet money Punk retires before he turns 40.
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It's a different time and generally speaking I don't think comparing any of the numbers you've selected across such hugely different and displaced eras lends much insight into the wrestlers themselves or the success of their reigns as champ. A better measure would be main event billing, but that's obviously a really tough thing the gauge - pay-per-view main events make a good measuring stick for the period when that has existed, but that won't do Flair justice.

What I am more interested in though, is in Triple H's apparent giving up of the chase for Flair's record of 16 or 18 or 21 however many world titles is the supposed mark. Or am I speaking too soon, maybe he's closer than I think? I remember for several years it was conventional wisdom that H was padding his count trying get to the record. Today, I wouldn't be shocked if he had another short reign or two in his future, but H's whole schtick now is that he only gets involved when it's something intensely personal, so it's almost like any title wins for him would have to be of the Vince McMahon 1999 "this was about sticking up for my family, not the winning the title, so I'm relinquishing it" variety, unless his "character" goes through some newer paradigm shift.
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    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
    What I am more interested in though, is in Triple H's apparent giving up of the chase for Flair's record of 16 or 18 or 21 however many world titles is the supposed mark. Or am I speaking too soon, maybe he's closer than I think? I remember for several years it was conventional wisdom that H was padding his count trying get to the record. Today, I wouldn't be shocked if he had another short reign or two in his future, but H's whole schtick now is that he only gets involved when it's something intensely personal, so it's almost like any title wins for him would have to be of the Vince McMahon 1999 "this was about sticking up for my family, not the winning the title, so I'm relinquishing it" variety, unless his "character" goes through some newer paradigm shift.

Yeah, it's pretty hard to believe it's been almost four years since Triple H has held a world title. (He has 13 reigns, btw.) After he lost the belt at Backlash, he went from goofing around with DX for a while to Undertaker to the Vince/Punk/Nash/Laurinaitis stuff to Taker again and then finally Brock. In that stretch, he became a full fledged corporate guy with a real position and real responsibilities. He took the focus off himself and put it on developing the business.

It's a change that the "GLASS CEILING!!" marks of yore would be flabbergasted by.



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Yup, Triple H's chase to be the fake best was done in by Cena's ascension, as there was finally a demonstrable drawing card he couldn't undermine without being transparent. Convincing everybody that Edge shouldn't be champion at WM22 and it needs to be you vs. Cena is one thing -- one thing Edge even talks about with veiled disgust on his DVD -- but trying to keep yourself ahead of Cena would've strained his "hmm, I'm just spitballin' here, but..." credulity. (Though there was a last gasp of "but it's my turn!" in 2007-08.) It's especially tough when your wife, the head of creative, is a huge advocate of Cena because she feels she discovered him.

IIRC, Triple H's last two chances at being champion were in 2010. Him against Sheamus was supposed to be the WWE title match at Wrestlemania, but they moved the title onto Cena/Batista instead because Batista was doing so great. Then he was supposed to come back at SummerSlam '10 to win the title from Sheamus, and probably be revealed as the anonymous GM, and possibly be revealed as the higher purpose of Nexus. But a bicep injury extended his The Chaperone-induced sabbatical for the rest of the year and pretty much led to the end of HHH as a full-time guy.

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