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#41 Posted on
oldschoolhero's right on target with his group. Except I'd leave Morely out. Toss in TripleH, and you've got your Horsemen. Flair, Triple H, Regal, Storm, and Batista. I'd much rather have Test in there than Batista, but his current push is pretty fun. Which reminds me, remember that 8 man tag on Raw a while back? Or was it a 10 man tag match? Anyhow, the UnAmericans and TripleH vs. RVD/Kane/BookerT/Goldust/Bubba Dudley ruled. I think it was before SummerSlam. Toss Christian out of the group(he'd be an awesome member, but that'd be 5 members), and you've got a current "dream" Horsemen team. Just as long as they don't try to recruit Jericho.
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#42 Posted on

    Originally posted by DVD
    Just as long as they don't try to recruit Jericho.


They could recruit him and then give him a beat down like what happened with Sting. That would RULE!!!
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#43 Posted on
I'm pretty sure the Dudes With Attitudes included Sting. Orndorff, JYD, and the Steiners. I probably still have the Apter mag downstairs where you could mail in for an "official" membership card.



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#44 Posted on

    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    Kurrgan, Golga, Luna, The Giant Silva and towards the end George "The Animal" Steele. Your no.1 contender for worst stable ever right there.


Exactly, which is why the people who say "putting a bunch of guys who aren't over and calling them "Horsemen" won't matter" are dead on. You can put Regal, Storm and anyone else that is only popular here because they are considered good wrestlers together in a faction and it won't make a lick of difference because the crowd will still take a piss-break when they come out.

You need to take a guy like Triple H, put Austin with him, and THEN you can add a guy like Battista and whoever the hell this Morely character is to get a rub. The group will need some reason for fans to care. No one's ever going to say "Oh my God, did you see RAW last night? This guy named Morely came to the ring with the guy who was Val Venis a few years ago!"


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#45 Posted on
"Oh my God, did you see RAW last night? This guy named Morely came to the ring with the guy who was Val Venis a few years ago!"

THAT I would LOVE to see.

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#46 Posted on
I hope I'm not beng incredibly dumb here...But Sean Morley IS Val Venis. Therefore Morley coming to the ring with the guy who used to be Val Venis is pretty much impossible.




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#47 Posted on

    Originally posted by FurryHippie
    Can somebody tell me what is so good about Batista? Sure, he has potential to be something, but as of right now, he's just a damn green rookie. Why would he have anything to do with the words "4 Horsemen"? Becuase he's big? That ain't enough.


I guess for the same reasons that Brock Lesnar would have anything to do with the words "WWE Undisputed Champion". I mean i'm not knocking Lesnar, I think in the long run it was a good decision, but at the time of the push he had never really done anything yet. I give the WWE credit for trying to do something with these guys.



    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    "In my mind, the Horsemen wouldn't be the Horsemen without Chris Benoit and Arn Anderson."

    This makes me laugh-it's okay for Benoit to be put in a remake of the Horsemen, but not Randy Orton or Val Venis? Come on...



Well I won't go as far as to say you can't make a Horseman without Benoit. But, it does make perfect sense to me to have the only currently wrestling ex-Horseman to start the New Horsemen.

Actually now that I think about I think Benoit would be the best leader of the new Horseman, too bad him and Flair aren't on the same show. Because I don't want to see HHH in the new Horsemen, and other than that there really isn't any other leader types in the WWE in my opinion except maybe Angle, who again is on the wrong show.


Lastly, as for face stables? Well how about DX? nWo? I mean sure they were doing heel tactics but at a time when being bad was "cool" they were pretty popular. And at times (nwo Red and Black vs. Black and White, and DX vs. the Nation) they were both full fledged faces. Of course i'm sure most of you, like me prefer the original versions that were both heels therefore, tossed both of them out, right?

Other than that...umm...Too Cool and Filthy Animals is all I got.



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#48 Posted on
    Originally posted by Quezzy
    Actually now that I think about I think Benoit would be the best leader of the new Horseman, too bad him and Flair aren't on the same show. Because I don't want to see HHH in the new Horsemen, and other than that there really isn't any other leader types in the WWE in my opinion except maybe Angle, who again is on the wrong show.


    Lastly, as for face stables? Well how about DX? nWo? I mean sure they were doing heel tactics but at a time when being bad was "cool" they were pretty popular. And at times (nwo Red and Black vs. Black and White, and DX vs. the Nation) they were both full fledged faces. Of course i'm sure most of you, like me prefer the original versions that were both heels therefore, tossed both of them out, right?

    Other than that...umm...Too Cool and Filthy Animals is all I got.



I like Benoit but, he just wouldn't work as the leader of a group like the Horsemen, especially a group that would need the leader to get the rest of the members over. HHH would actually be a very good choice for that job, IMHO. HHH has stated many times that Ric Flair was his hero when he was a kid so, HHH probably saw plenty of the Horsemen stuff and knows the history of the group and how they worked. Plus, he has experience in getting other members of a group over. Let's face it, HHH was the only member of DX that was over when they were formed after Shawn Michaels had to (temporarily) retire after WrestleMania XIV and HHH wasn't even as over then as he is currently. I would rather they leave the Horsemen alone and call the group something original but, HHH would make a good leader if they do try to remake the Horsemen.


As you mentioned with DX and the NWO Wolfpack group, babyface stables only work if they have a heel stable to work against. The Von Erichs had the Freebirds. The NWO Wolfpack had the NWO Hollywood. The Sting version of the Four Horsemen had Gary Hart's stable (Terry Funk, Great Muta, Buzz Sawyer, etc.). The Benoit babyface version of the Horsemen had the NWO. DX had the Nation of Domination and then the Corporation.

And, the Filthy Animals only worked well as heels, especially when they were robbing Ric Flair after beating him down.

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#49 Posted on
Ok, Raw this week is in Charleston, SC. Where is Flair the most over? Where would the Horsemen be the most over? Think about it.
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#50 Posted on
I still say Benoit would do better as a member of the Hart Foundation with Jericho, Storm and another Dungeon grad but ONLY if Bret came back as the mouthpiece/leader. Put the other person on Smackdown with Benoit and Bret could go on both shows (since he's not wrestling, he doesn't need an exclusive contract, say McMahon gave him some executive position) and have the new Hart Foundation kick ass on both rosters and adminster group beatdowns at PPVs.

As for the Horseman, I'd say HHH and Batista with a solid tag team making up the other 2. Unfortunately, I can't think of a single team in the WWE that could fill this position and be worthy of the Horseman title. Jericho & Christian would be the closest I could think of but Jericho wouldn't work as a minion of HHH and he and Christian haven't been together long enough and probably won't stay together much longer. They need more tag teams anyway, so maybe bring in an experienced team from OVW or another indy league that could fill the Horseman spot.
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#51 Posted on
I've said it once and I'll say it again...you just don't get a feeling of how big Batista really is from TV. He is freaking huge. Not only is he huge, but he can go. My pick, btw, for the new Horsemen... HHH, Batista, Nowinski, and Regal.
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#52 Posted on
I think you're more likely to see Storm in it than Nowinski. They seem Hell-bent on getting the Regal/Storm team over as heels, and a new set of Horsemen would need a solid tag team amongst it's ranks.




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#53 Posted on

    Originally posted by InVerse
    I still say Benoit would do better as a member of the Hart Foundation with Jericho, Storm and another Dungeon grad but ONLY if Bret came back as the mouthpiece/leader. Put the other person on Smackdown with Benoit and Bret could go on both shows (since he's not wrestling, he doesn't need an exclusive contract, say McMahon gave him some executive position) and have the new Hart Foundation kick ass on both rosters and adminster group beatdowns at PPVs.


Gee, having Benoit and Hart go on both shows. And then Benoit, Jericho, Storm, and this other phantom Dungeoner beat down people on PPVs. How Smarky of you!

Heh. A group of guys, all a hair under 6' dishing out punishment on WWE programming. I reitterate. HEH.



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#54 Posted on
I think the final Horsemen line up will be TripleH, Batista, Regal, and Storm. They've all got what it takes, and with the Horsemen gimmick, the fans might finally respond. TripleH as the leader/world champ, Storm and Regal as the tag team specialists(which they already are), and Batista filling the power role. A perfect line up from where I sit. Factor in Flair calling the shots, and all the faces better watch out.
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#55 Posted on

    Originally posted by Lexus
    Gee, having Benoit and Hart go on both shows. And then Benoit, Jericho, Storm, and this other phantom Dungeoner beat down people on PPVs. How Smarky of you!

    Heh. A group of guys, all a hair under 6' dishing out punishment on WWE programming. I reitterate. HEH.



Yeah, it's not like the version of the Hart Foundation with Bret, Owen, Bulldog, Neidhart & Pillman, the tallest of which is 6' even, ever had any success.

And how exactly is the idea "smarky"? The WWE has repeatedly mentioned that Benoit, Jericho & Storm were trained in the Dungeon, so a complete mark could understand why those guys would join together with Bret.
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#56 Posted on

    Originally posted by InVerse

      Originally posted by Lexus
      Gee, having Benoit and Hart go on both shows. And then Benoit, Jericho, Storm, and this other phantom Dungeoner beat down people on PPVs. How Smarky of you!

      Heh. A group of guys, all a hair under 6' dishing out punishment on WWE programming. I reitterate. HEH.



    Yeah, it's not like the version of the Hart Foundation with Bret, Owen, Bulldog, Neidhart & Pillman, the tallest of which is 6' even, ever had any success.

    And how exactly is the idea "smarky"? The WWE has repeatedly mentioned that Benoit, Jericho & Storm were trained in the Dungeon, so a complete mark could understand why those guys would join together with Bret.



Well, the original Hart Foundation didn't quite run roughshod over people, now did they? Think about it. WWE = Big Dudes. Lesnar, Show, Rock, etc. In fact, not for nothing, but you know that lull in the early nineties when Bret was supposed to be carrying the ship? Notice things didn't quite boom until somebody over 6' came (Austin)?
WWE has always gone with their bigguns. Even the original Foundation had Neidhart and the Bulldog as sources of power, and what you suggested was a group built not on strength nor catchphrases nor silly gimmick, but built on their ability to work and the place they trained, albeit their careers have been a little different. Add in Rule Numba 1: Any ideas posted that are intended to get Benoit more over than Hogan, Rock, and Austin combined are deemed smarky.



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#57 Posted on
Since when is being smarky a bad thing?



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#58 Posted on

    Well, the original Hart Foundation didn't quite run roughshod over people, now did they? Think about it. WWE = Big Dudes. Lesnar, Show, Rock, etc. In fact, not for nothing, but you know that lull in the early nineties when Bret was supposed to be carrying the ship? Notice things didn't quite boom until somebody over 6' came (Austin)?



      Yeah, because Austin's size was the main factor in his popularity. Please: Austin has maybe two inches and 15-20 pounds on Bret Hart.

      Bad sign tonight: even with Flair by his side in SOUTH CAROLINA, Batista wasn't over.



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#59 Posted on

    Originally posted by DVD
    Ok, Raw this week is in Charleston, SC. Where is Flair the most over? Where would the Horsemen be the most over? Think about it.


Uhm, okay. Thought about it, and it still sounds like a bad idea. (Keep in mind I haven't watched Raw or read the results.) Really, though. Why would they even want to bring it back? Bring the idea back, but not the name. Let it rest, kay?



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#60 Posted on

    Originally posted by Big Bad
    Bad sign tonight: even with Flair by his side in SOUTH CAROLINA, Batista wasn't over.


I think that's because this was one of the single worst booked matches I've ever seen. Bautista is supposed to be getting put over by a monster yet he has to sneak attack Kane and then gets squashed until Flair interferes to get him the win. This match was such a clusterfuck that I have to wonder if it wasn't thrown together at the last minute as the Booker T replacement, even though it was obviously set up last week.


    Originally posted by Lexus
    Add in Rule Numba 1: Any ideas posted that are intended to get Benoit more over than Hogan, Rock, and Austin combined are deemed smarky..


I never said anything about getting Benoit more over than Hogan, Rock and Austin combined. Benoit is damn lucky when he can get over at all. I'm still a fan of the man's ability but without Kurt Angle, I'm not sure I could tolerate him much longer.

On a positive note, I just glanced at the feedback for Raw on the Torch and nobody listed the women's match as the worst match. I had a feeling that several people would do so out of habit. Personally, I thought the women's title match was the match of the night.
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